Bruh why did they even made rtx 4070 ti super

[Gökyüzü]

Im looking at benchmark resoults and they are verry questionable

Here is my own furmark and combustor resoults compare to other users with super version [i.imgur.com]

I couldn't find any good in game benchmark resoults to make comparison with my resoulsts but i have been watching comparison vidoes diffrence between 2 card isnt even higher than %5 most of the time. And just for that %5 they are asking you to pay 100-150$ more.

Even user benchmark shows only %5 more performance diffrence. I know this cards are not good for overclocking but by overclocking i can easly get %3 more. I'm really having trouble understanding the reasoning behind this card.

No matter where or how i look it looks like a scam.

[✨Saint✨]

Sometimes differences are minimal, at the end of the day it is up the comsumer to use their own brain.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

There are many reasons but one thing is that a Super is not something you upgrade to if you already have a good enough GPU. Those are meant to be better bang for buck for someone upgrading from low end GPU or just very old. It sometimes won't look that way when both non-Super and Super are on the market at the same time. But eventually the non-Super will be gone or dried up off the shelves and then they can lower the prices of the Super varients.

In one system in particular where I was able to change out a GTX 1070 for a 2080 Super. It was worth it and made a huge difference.

But moving forward I really hope NVIDIA rethinks the whole VRAM amounts and bus because these GPUs above $400-500 that are below 16GB VRAM just don't make any sense, especially with 192-bit Bus

It's one reason I kept a GTX 1080 Ti 11GB in one of my system for so long because I actually did need about 9-10 GB at various times and it just didn't make sense to move to an RTX 3070 8GB or 3080 10GB.

In another system it's one major reason I ended up getting 3080 Ti 12GB

[Tonepoet]

Kinda have to agree with Bad Motha for one thing.

The 4070 Super Ti has an $800 M.S.R.P., just like the 4070 Ti did[www.tomshardware.com], so that's 5% extra of basically free performance for people who were already considering a 4070 Ti from Nvidia's perspective. Makes a heck of a lot more sense than O.C. versions of cards that basically have a factory overclock of like, 80 out of 25000 hz. The idea is probably to get ready to discontinue the 4070 ti than to compete against it. They don't have to make it much better 'cause the 4070 ti is already pretty well regarded for a Nvidia card.

For another, having a replacement product for the 4070 Ti in the $800 price range allows for the 4070 ti to slide down in the stack to compete with the 7900 XT, and from a marketing perspective you probably don't want to release a 4070 Super and a 4080 Super without releasing a 4070 ti super too, 'cause then people just stop buying 4070 tis.

Also, we're kind of far past the point of diminishing returns when we hit the 4070 ti anyway. People who have cash to burn are willing to pay a higher premium on proportionately smaller returns on investment. I mean look, if you have $800 to burn on your G.P.U. and you're only looking at Nvidia 'cause of Ray Tracing, what else are you going to do?

They probably don't expect to actually sell very many. That's what cheaper cards are for. However, if they can sucker or press a few people person into spending $100 or so more, why wouldn't they? They just have to adjust their release numbers so they don't overspend on production. Well, Nvidia doesn't, but their board partners do.

You might as well ask why Nvidia still sells the 4090 after releasing the 4080 super. The performance difference isn't anywhere near double, but they're charging almost double for the 4090 anyway. Granted, the 4090 also has the presteige of being the best product on the market, but that only lasts until the 4090 ti or the 5090 is released.

[potato]

why wouldn't they make it? the only issue i see with it is that if you're upgrading a 40xx card to a 4070 ti super, but who would do that

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

In the case of 4070 Ti Super and 4080 Super it`s basically just rebranding and price adjusting, you gain very minimal performance over regular versions.
At least 4070 Super is somewhat better then 4070.

[Tonepoet]

引用自 potato：

why wouldn't they make it? the only issue i see with it is that if you're upgrading a 40xx card to a 4070 ti super, but who would do that

Well, I mean, there is one reason: Self-cannibalizing sales. You might worry that the 4070 Ti's better price to performance proposition under present marketplace conditions stops people from buying 4070 ti supers, and thus you end up wasting money making the 4070 Ti Super. That's not a problem if the 4070 Ti is simply discontinued though.

Also, if the rumored 5000 series cards do release later this year, then you probably don't want to make the Super refresh cards too much better anyway.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

引用自 Tonepoet：

引用自 potato：

why wouldn't they make it? the only issue i see with it is that if you're upgrading a 40xx card to a 4070 ti super, but who would do that

Well, I mean, there is one reason: Self-cannibalizing sales. You might worry that the 4070 ti's better price to performance proposition stops people from buying 4070 ti supers, and thus you end up wasting money making the 4070 Ti Super.

That's not a problem if the 4070 Ti is simply discontinued though.

Also, if the rumored 5000 series cards do release later this year, then you probably don't want to make the Super refresh cards too much better anyway.

Well what generally happens is by the time the SUPER comes out, the only brand new non-SUPER are what's left at the various retailers which they will push out, perhaps at discount sales prices but often not, their stock would be very limited so once those are gone, that's it, it's in with the SUPER after that. Then they can adjust the SUPER pricing to match the old non-SUPER cards.

For example we saw this with 3060 Ti where it didn't take long for those to be offered at old 3060 prices, the difference here though is there are plenty of new and used 3060 to go around so those just got cheaper.