SHREDDER 2024 年 3 月 29 日 上午 7:46
What is the best way to install windows 11?
About 2 months ago i talked with one of my colleagues at the office about windows 11 and how to install it on pc that dont have the requirements. He told md that he installed it succesfuly on his parents pc that is from 2012 and also at the pc on the office and both of them work well with it. He then suggest me that instead of changing cpu ram and motjherboard it is better if i install it with Rufus or with the registry method and save some money and keep my current cpu ram and motherboard until they die.
I trust him because i know him for 6 years. But after i read here the 3 methods to do it https://www.xda-developers.com/install-windows-11-unsupported-pc/
i wonder which one is the best?
1 Rufus?
2 Command prompt
or registry?
Which one of the 3 will be best?
MINE MONSTER PC IS
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Tonepoet 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 4:04 
how can we 100 percent trust rufus?

You can't 100% trust anything except yourself. Sometimes you have to give your accountant your social security number in order for him to file your taxes and just hope he won't use it to embezzle funds from you. Rufus has been around for a while, and I haven't heard any news of it being used to deliver a malware payload yet. First time for everything though.

There's no way to be certain of if you can trust that copy of Windows that comes preinstalled on your computer either. There was a scandal regarding acemagician mini-P.Cs. being loaded with malware about a month ago.

In any case, you assess risk versus reward, and only take the ones you are fairly comfortable with taking in exchange for the reward.

Rufus has been around for a while. I think people would be more ready to warn against it than recommend it.

Also there are other exploits to bypass Windows' onerous installation requirements. I've seen some mentioned on youtube before.

if u think about it rufus is a huge potential for abuse or backdoor or something, everyone uses it

Actually, I haven't used Rufus yet. Most of the time I'm trying to make a startup disk on the mac, so I use unetbootin' instead. On linux there's startup disk creator. I don't think either of those have the same bypasses as Rufus though. Plus realistically, T.P.M. is mostly a protection against people who have physical access to your computer, I think?

Plus technically there's Windows Media Creation Tool. That won't allow you to bypass microsoft's onerous demands, but you won't have to trust anybody but microsoft, and if you're installing Windows anyway, then you had better trust Microsoft! Not because it's wise, but because they have their bloody fingerprints all over the dang thing as its creator.
HypersleepyNaputunia 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 4:46 
i use rufus too cause its easiest and unetbootin usually has issues, but ya thats a security hole
Bad 💀 Motha 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 7:14 
引用自 emoticorpse
if u think about it rufus is a huge potential for abuse or backdoor or something, everyone uses it

You mean like if it were to take your clean iso and inject some kind of "totally OS unaware" rootkit/uefi payload that in reality drives your pc with a virus-loaded "sub-os" or whatever that's between the hardware and the actual OS and nobody knows this is going on?

Basically. This is why it's always been suggested not to download the ISO other then from Microsoft. As if from other sites it could have embedded malware which do a number of things. Such as using a modified Hosts file which in the end records data such as keylogging or things of that nature and send it to various IP# designated in the Hosts file so that hackers can steal your online accounts and sell them.
MonkehMaster 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 7:19 
true, but rufus isnt bad.

though i will say, some of those iso's on internet archive seems to be ok, but i did download them on an old laptop and had them scanned.

still wouldnt suggest others doing that, but rather getting them from microsoft.

:fishperson:
最後修改者:MonkehMaster; 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 7:20
River 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 7:20 
Yeah I agree always get a OS from original source.
Bad 💀 Motha 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 7:22 
Rufus is just a tool to make a drive. You don't use that to download an ISO
最後修改者:Bad 💀 Motha; 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 7:23
MonkehMaster 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 7:24 
where did this come up from, i must have missed it, who said to download an iso through rufus?

edit: i just grab rufus again (version 4.4) didnt see any way to download something through rufus.
最後修改者:MonkehMaster; 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 7:29
River 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 7:30 
引用自 MonkehMaster
where did this come up from, i must have missed it, who said to download an iso through rufus?

edit: i just grab rufus again (version 4.4) didnt see any way to download something through rufus.

Yep.
MonkehMaster 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 7:37 
if anything on the iso talk, i would be more wary about those "tiny" win 10 and 11, or other variations.

i personally always suggest against using anything but one from microsoft.

and if someone wants a modified version, they can download NTLite and modify it themselves, as i have and do.

as you can remove anything, add anything, being it programs/runtimes/ect.., windows updates, drivers, ect.. and run an installation that will be free of bloat, but also have everything you need that most would do after installation.

also good for creating many different variations of an OS installation, if you are doing that for other people, IRL... as they might not want exactly what you want.

:cqdamage::cqdark:
最後修改者:MonkehMaster; 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 7:43
Bad 💀 Motha 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 7:46 
You also do not have to install Rufus. You can download the single EXE called Rufus Portable. This way no install is needed and if you want to you can store that on a flash drive or external drive and run it whenever needed.

Yes if you are doing Rufus + Win11 ISO; especially if you want to disable the extra MS Win11 Requirements; then of course ensure you you have downloaded the latest version of Rufus.

The MS MCT is OK but the problem with that is; if I make a Win10/11 using the MCT using a system that has a UEFI type of BIOS; then this drive won't be seen or boot on a PC that has a Legacy BIOS. With Rufus, I can choose such options.

Rufus is also very trusted; it's been a trusted tool long before MS ever had an ISO downloader/maker tool of their own.

For Win11 specifically, when you go to install it, select an EU Country. After the OS installed has completed you will have options in your Win11 now to uninstall things like Edge and OneDrive.
最後修改者:Bad 💀 Motha; 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 7:47
MonkehMaster 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 7:50 
i used rufus for mine and a batch file to disable anything rufus didnt disable.

then as mentioned, i also used NTLite to modify my iso from microsoft and did the things mentioned above in my previous comment.

i used the US version, cause NTLite can remove all that telemetry, ect.. ect..

also to note, you can removed edge manually if someone already has win 11/10 installed, simply edit the registry to disable the "no remove" dword, then uninstall and if you have issue getting them to remove, you can use a removal tool to completely wipe it from the OS, registry and all.

also, onedrive for sure, remove that immediately, all it does is cause issues with games not running, i have never used or left that on my installations.

rufus runs on its own, no installation needed.
最後修改者:MonkehMaster; 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 7:57
Bad 💀 Motha 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 7:58 
ShutUp10 (or Group Policy Editor in WinOS Pro / Enterprise) can disable GPS Location, Data Collection, Telemetry in both Win10/11.

You still won't be able to uninstall Edge or OneDrive though; which honestly, should be completely optional.

There is no US Version of the ISO. They are all the same and contain all Editions of Win11. You select the Edition during clean OS install when you click "I do not have a product key"

That way you can install the Edition you want. You never need a product key as that is purely optional.

With the exception of the Chinese version of Win10/11 ISO which has all those extra data collection and telemetry removed from the OS per an agreement between MS and China. But during the install, selecting an EU country is the key to those extra uninstall options I spoke about; as these options are made available only when selecting an EU country during the OS clean install; to be alignment with new EU laws.
MonkehMaster 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 8:04 
i have both edge and onedrive completely removed.

edit: also removed copilot :cqlol:

and i mentioned ways to do it.

NTLite, or through the registry and/or a removal tool.

1 example of a removal tool is iobit uninstaller and many more, they wipe everything of a program, all files, down to its registry entries.

in essence, like it never existed.

edit: yep, you dont need a key for your OS installation, it will run just the same, except they lock you from doing personalization stuff, like background, ect..

but, they at least had the decency to not force the "Watermark" on top of every thing this go around :cqlol:
最後修改者:MonkehMaster; 2024 年 4 月 4 日 上午 8:16
Tonepoet 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 8:13 
For people who don't want to screw around with the iso and want to get rid of some of the bloat, the international iso comes with less software preinstalled, likely due to licensing agreements. Dunno about the telemetry or not, but you'd think the international version would have to be compliant with the laws of all nations, although Microsoft might also argue it's not under any nation's specific jurisdiction.

引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
That way you can install the Edition you want. You never need a product key as that is purely optional.

Used to be that Microsoft locked you out if you didn't register within a specific time frame. It also nagged you on the hour every hour (even interrupting gameplay) in Windows 7. I know 'cause I never actually used my Windows 7 key.

最後修改者:Tonepoet; 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 8:15
It's Chase 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 8:15 
Should just be able to update to it easily from Windows update, your CPU is supported i think, do you have TPM?

If not, you can use Rufus to make a Windows 11 install that bypasses it, but you have to do some tinkering when feature updates release, since your hardware isn't supported, and you aren't entitled to updates down the road either.

Personally, if you PC isn't fully supported, i would wait until you can upgrade your CPU and motherboard.
最後修改者:It's Chase; 2024 年 4 月 3 日 下午 8:18
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