Should I get a UPS Battery Backup for my PC?
I don't get blackouts that often in my area, but they have occured literally in the middle of me gaming. I have my gaming PC connected to a surge protector though. If I did need or wanted to get a battery backup, what should be the minimum wattage so I can have at least 10 minutes to shut down?
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Better safe than sorry, sure.

What's your specs? Do you know the power draw?

Roughly 10 minutes, less is fine, more is better but not necessary.

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Автор сообщения: cSg|mc-Hotsauce
Better safe than sorry, sure.

What's your specs? Do you know the power draw?

Roughly 10 minutes, less is fine, more is better but not necessary.

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i5 10400F, 3060 Ti. 16 GB of RAM. Windows 10 Home. 700W Thermaltake SMART Series 80+ Gold. 1 TB NVMe SSD. 2 TB Crucial MX500 SATA SSD. 2 TB Seagate Barracuda HDD.
Отредактировано Iggy Wolf; 10 мая. 2024 г. в 10:30
any modern pc should not take 10 minutes to shutdown

ups is designed to run pc just long enough to shutdown safely, not to keep gaming for another 10+ minutes

if power is lost, odds are the modem/router will lose internet also, if they are not on a form of ups or battery backup


imho, just get a good psu
thermaltake smart is their worst lineup, they are junk for protection and cannot deliver their rated wattage safely or even within atx spec
with missing or incorrect protections

most surge suppressor strips, just have a mov and fuse, mov shorts the mains when voltage is over limit, and forces it to blow the fuse
Автор сообщения: _I_
any modern pc should not take 10 minutes to shutdown

ups is designed to run pc just long enough to shutdown safely, not to keep gaming for another 10+ minutes

if power is lost, odds are the modem/router will lose internet also, if they are not on a form of ups or battery backup


imho, just get a good psu
thermaltake smart is their worst lineup, they are junk for protection and cannot deliver their rated wattage safely or even within atx spec
with missing or incorrect protections

most surge suppressor strips, just have a mov and fuse, mov shorts the mains when voltage is over limit, and forces it to blow the fuse

And I will probably get a new PSU eventually. It's just that this one does work fine and if it "ain't broke, don't fix it". It's also not even semi-modular. So if and when I upgrade the CPU or change CPU fan, then I'll probably get new PSU that's modular as well.
Отредактировано Iggy Wolf; 10 мая. 2024 г. в 13:12
Based off of your specs I'd recommend you go at least 850VA which should be good for about 500W. I doubt your system even pulls 300W so that leaves you a little head room for monitors and stuff plus you don't really want to be at 100% load on a ups if possible.
You need a proper UPS.

You need a pure sine wave ups NOT a simulated sine wave.

A pure sine wave will PROTECT your system while a simulated sine wave UPS will only harm the system in the long run and waste of money as those have ZERO protection nor true joule-protected power.

Sure, pure sine wave ups cost more, but trust me, a simulated sine wave is a piece of junk and is only recommended for automotive duties.

The best UPS on the market are APC and CyberPower.

APC brand has a very STRICT QC and are top shelf in this industry.

Both APC and Cyberpower batteries can be replaced and it is recommended to replace the UPC battery up towards around 5 - 8 years for both these brands.

If your area is prone to brown-outs, 100% invest in a UPS.

If your area has blackouts, it is wise to get a UPS, but it is not totally recommended unless you need saving data backup (i.e. work duties).

Brownouts, power surges, dumps, etc.. are what kills PC's not blackouts (total power shutdowns).

Blackouts will merely lose your data if you don't save, while a brownout may increase the risk of fires and hardware destruction; however, multiple blackouts within a short period of time can also cause extreme hardware degradation.

Blackouts are safer than brownouts - fun fact.

If your region is prone to brownouts, 100% invest in a UPS.

If you have like 2 - 4 total blackouts per year, a UPS is a waste of money unless you use the system for work or school.

I also want to add this in here: with multiple blackout surges the system fans can also cause fan failure and stress (i.e CPU cooling fans, AIO fans, and especially GPU fans.

But also worth to mention that GPU fans are pretty lightweight and basic and always prone to fail within 7 - 10 years.
Отредактировано Phénomènes Mystiques; 10 мая. 2024 г. в 13:30
If you have the money for it why not ... but it's not something I would rush to get
If it's occasional, like once or twice a year during storms a surge is good enough. Plus you know you have to shut down when you hear thunder close, that helps a lot
Автор сообщения: Cosa Nostra
You need a proper UPS.

You need a pure sine wave ups NOT a simulated sine wave.

A pure sine wave will PROTECT your system while a simulated sine wave UPS will only harm the system in the long run and waste of money as those have ZERO protection nor true joule-protected power.

Sure, pure sine wave ups cost more, but trust me, a simulated sine wave is a piece of junk and is only recommended for automotive duties.

The best UPS on the market are APC and CyberPower.

APC brand has a very STRICT QC and are top shelf in this industry.

Both APC and Cyberpower batteries can be replaced and it is recommended to replace the UPC battery up towards around 5 - 8 years for both these brands.

If your area is prone to brown-outs, 100% invest in a UPS.

If your area has blackouts, it is wise to get a UPS, but it is not totally recommended unless you need saving data backup (i.e. work duties).

Brownouts, power surges, dumps, etc.. are what kills PC's not blackouts (total power shutdowns).

Blackouts will merely lose your data if you don't save, while a brownout may increase the risk of fires and hardware destruction; however, multiple blackouts within a short period of time can also cause extreme hardware degradation.

Blackouts are safer than brownouts - fun fact.

If your region is prone to brownouts, 100% invest in a UPS.

If you have like 2 - 4 total blackouts per year, a UPS is a waste of money unless you use the system for work or school.

I also want to add this in here: with multiple blackout surges the system fans can also cause fan failure and stress (i.e CPU cooling fans, AIO fans, and especially GPU fans.

But also worth to mention that GPU fans are pretty lightweight and basic and always prone to fail within 7 - 10 years.

Yeah, it's more blackouts than brown outs. I mean, yesterday, the light went out for like a split second. It caused my monitor to restart and my lamp light turned off and back but the PC itself still stayed on. Our area might get a blackout like 2-3 times at most a year.

Usually due to weather (too hot or really bad thunderstorm). I rarely lose any data. It's more that my Dad has several speakers, amplifiers, vinyl record players and two PCs in the basement. And I'm wondering whether they wouldn't benefit more from a backup to prevent issues or power surges.
why not get a generator or even better buy a RTG
then you'll also need a Starlink terminal as backup :BC_ThankYou:

but before all that you really should upgrade your PC
Автор сообщения: Iggy Wolf
Автор сообщения: _I_
any modern pc should not take 10 minutes to shutdown

ups is designed to run pc just long enough to shutdown safely, not to keep gaming for another 10+ minutes

if power is lost, odds are the modem/router will lose internet also, if they are not on a form of ups or battery backup


imho, just get a good psu
thermaltake smart is their worst lineup, they are junk for protection and cannot deliver their rated wattage safely or even within atx spec
with missing or incorrect protections

most surge suppressor strips, just have a mov and fuse, mov shorts the mains when voltage is over limit, and forces it to blow the fuse

And I will probably get a new PSU eventually. It's just that this one does work fine and if it "ain't broke, don't fix it". It's also not even semi-modular. So if and when I upgrade the CPU or change CPU fan, then I'll probably get new PSU that's modular as well.
you have a timebomb in your pc
when it does break, it will take out other components too

psu job is to power the system and protect it
Автор сообщения: ChickenBalls
why not get a generator or even better buy a RTG
then you'll also need a Starlink terminal as backup :BC_ThankYou:

but before all that you really should upgrade your PC

That's...irrelevant to the discussion or blackouts. We're talking about loss of power, not lack of performance. Specs are irrelevant when speaking about losing power. Or are you just trying to be a smarmy blowhard?
Автор сообщения: _I_
Автор сообщения: Iggy Wolf

And I will probably get a new PSU eventually. It's just that this one does work fine and if it "ain't broke, don't fix it". It's also not even semi-modular. So if and when I upgrade the CPU or change CPU fan, then I'll probably get new PSU that's modular as well.
you have a timebomb in your pc
when it does break, it will take out other components too

psu job is to power the system and protect it

How is it a "time bomb?" Something isn't automatically "bad" and dangerous just because it's considered "low quality". That just means it's more likely to Blue Screen because the GPU or CPU demanded too much power.

I don't game at 4K or even 2K. I'm rarely ever asking my PSU to overwork itself. My last Thermaltake failed because the fan bearings went bad. So the PC would just shut off when I did any kind of gaming. Replaced it with a Corsair. Nothing got fried. It just didn't work until I got a new one.
if you frequently have power outages or fluctuations in the power grid
that psu will not properly protect the rest of the components

res doesnt make a difference

fans do fail, that should not kill the psu, psu should have properly set overheat protections too
Автор сообщения: _I_
if you frequently have power outages or fluctuations in the power grid
that psu will not properly protect the rest of the components

res doesnt make a difference

fans do fail, that should not kill the psu, psu should have properly set overheat protections too

I agree. But the PSU is not so easily removable. It's wires are all clipped to the rear of the motherboard. The GPU, HDD and SDDS, and other removable parts would have to be disconnected completely.

A new one would also have to be purchased, which aren't cheap these days. I generally don't fuss around with the parts unless absolutely necessary. The PC is now 2+ years old.
Use the UPS to safely turn off your PC then use the UPS to power some low powered lights or something till the power turns back on.

So yes, UPS's are very handy to have.

My main 900w UPS is set to automatically turn the PC off after a set time during an outage

I also have a 360w UPS specifically to handle my security cameras during an outage

And then another 360w UPS to handle the downstairs PC+Lighting..

And another UPS to handle lighting and a fan in the main bedroom during an outage, but i also use it as a mobile power source for things like a tire pump instead of using an extension cord.

UPS's are useful for more things than just safely turning off your PC.
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What UPS you should get depends on the average wattage your PC uses, so id say something capable of supporting 600w, which would be a 1000VA UPS, though you should be able to knock it down to 400w or 500w Minimum which would be in the area of a 850VA UPS.
Отредактировано [☥] - CJ -; 12 мая. 2024 г. в 6:46
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