Windows 11 update 24H2!!!

[Myosotis1973]

Hello,

I read on Google news that Windows 11 update 24H2 will not accept the old components anymore.
It's a big and real last prank from Microsoft.
Have a good luck.

[Myosotis1973]

D'après une source, il faudra le mois de juillet pour ça. On devrait voir des PC proposant Windows 11 24H2 pré-installé avant, en juin, mais uniquement sur les machines équipées d'un processeur Snapdragon X. La mise à jour sera déployée à tous plus tard, vers septembre en théorie. N'oubliez pas qu'elle ne fonctionnera pas si votre processeur est vraiment trop ancien.

[nullable]

Define old components?

Kinda seems like a nothing burger to me, and if you run ancient hardware, well yeah, sometimes there's consequences.

[Crashed]

Originally posted by Solide Ninja:

Hello,

I read on Google news that Windows 11 update 24H2 will not accept the old components anymore.
It's a big and real last prank from Microsoft.
Have a good luck.

What has changed is that your processor has to be at least SSE4.2. All certified hardware is already at least AVX2.

On the Intel side you can still boot it on a Nehelam i7 from 2008, by bypassing the requirements.

[A&A]

Like to use processors without SSE 4.2? I thought this was nothing new.

My Pentium J2900 still supports it, but it is at the line :D

[Crashed]

Originally posted by A&A:

Like to use processors without SSE 4.2? I thought this was nothing new.

23H2 and below would still boot on SSE2-level 64-bit processors if you bypass the requirements.

[A&A]

Originally posted by Crashed:

23H2 and below would still boot on SSE2-level 64-bit processors if you bypass the requirements.

And 24H1, you can't. I don't have problem with Windows yet and I will switch to linux at some point and use it as home server. By then I would have bought a new desktop PC.

[Myosotis1973]

Originally posted by A&A:

Originally posted by Crashed:

23H2 and below would still boot on SSE2-level 64-bit processors if you bypass the requirements.

And 24H1, you can't. I don't have problem with Windows yet and I will switch to linux at some point and use it as home server. By then I would have bought a new desktop PC.

Or kit of upgrade

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by nullable:

Define old components?

Kinda seems like a nothing burger to me, and if you run ancient hardware, well yeah, sometimes there's consequences.

Originally, it was that stuff needed a certain instruction (POPCNT?) which was added with or after certain Core 2 CPUs (no idea about AMD), and now it's SSE4.2 which is like the original Core i series CPUs for Intel and something like... Bulldozer (?) for AMD?

So it's as you said. Microsoft is calling for Intel 8th generation/AMD Ryzen 2000 series or newer for Windows 11. These are about 6 and 7 year old CPUs and will be a year and a half older when Windows 10 loses support. Some people are using (or wanting to use) Windows 11 on even older stuff, seeing "it works fine" and then they surprise Pikachu face when Microsoft "removes" a very small portion of the oldest stuff that even works (but was never supported).

And then we're going to see it get worse about a year or two from now when Windows 10 loses support and it starts effecting a larger portion of those unsupported CPUs because some software (read as, game anti-cheats for now) are expecting certain Windows 11 required stuff (read as, TPM being present and enabled) if you run under Windows 11 but not Windows 10. So we're going to have to listen a lot of people complaining that they bypassed the Windows 11 requirements, and then that games like League of Legends isn't working on their dusty old Haswell CPUs which "should be more than enough". And then they'll blame Microsoft or the game companies.

I sort of get it. CPUs stopped advancing for a while and people got comfortable with the idea of never having to upgrade again. But the market was never going to stop moving on just because there was a period of low competitiveness between CPUs brands for some years. That ended in the late 2010s anyway. If anything, we should consider ourselves lucky CPUs remained somewhat cheap at the time and then some people could have gotten a decade out of a cheap purchase. The GPU landscape that is now in that same state isn't being so kind on pricing. That's perhaps more worth complaining about. Not "my Intel quad core is going to need replaced in the mid-late 2020s" or "my 8 GB RAM should never run out". People saw rate of growth slow... and then expected it to stop. And then are crying foul when they see their hardware become less capable as it ages. Same story, different day.

[A&A]

Yeah, bulldozers are the last CPU chips that are on the finish line too.

I really hate it when normally working hardware becomes unusable because there is no software support. Like today we have computers that can run backwards compatible programs which is good and the more time goes by the more different software you have but the CPU because it doesn't have a defined set of instructions becomes useless. I'm fine if some programs require them, but the operating system, eh? Why? If I want to do some AI stuff. Ok I will buy NPU. If I want to render stuff. Ok, I will buy GPU. To do ala bala sound effects, I must have audio card. Ok. But just changing the CPU never sounded right to me.
Well, my GPU is outdated. Ok. Do I met the requirements? Yes. Then I am fine. Even If I don't met them, at least I can use the VRAM as RAMDrive until I melt it from use.

After all, why do different accelerators exist, but don't use them in consumer grade equipment.

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Well it will give me good reason to buy my wife a new cpu as she has a ryzen 7 cpu.

[Lixire]

the official requirements are still the same. the thing that changes is that Windows 11 right now wants a CPU that has access to SSE4.2 which is basically first gen Intel or AMD FX and above.

This change hurts only those running Windows 11 on relics such as Core 2 CPUs which frankly. have no business of running the newer OS anyway.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Could you not go around spouting unconfirmed non-sense before 24H2 actually comes out.

The latest rumors was that Microsoft was actually going to just drop all those silly requirements regarding TPM and such.

If your CPU is not SSE4.2 compliant then you're living in the stone age anyways

[It's Chase]

Just for older CPUs that don't support SSE4.2, which are ancient CPUs like the Core 2 Duo/Quad series.

Do more research next time before making a post about something you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}]

so im ok with fx8350 and win11

does i5 3470 support sse4.2?

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originally posted by Blueberry {JESUS IS LORD}:

so im ok with fx8350 and win11

does i5 3470 support sse4.2?

You would need to download the Win11 ISO; then use the very latest version of Rufus.
Then when you click START it will popup asking which Win11 requirements you want to bypass, select all of them, aside from auto creation of a local user.

When you have created the Win11 USB with Rufus this way, the bypass made a secondary partition on the USB drive, THAT is the partition you need to boot from, not the normal one.

Then before doing a clean install, ensure Ethernet is disconnected, if WiFi is present, that should be fine, just do not connect to any WiFi network during the install; click "I do not have internet right now"

If you allow Win11 to connect Online during the install, it will force you to create / log in using a Microsoft account.