The Cozy Win7 Thread

[Nosteru]

Hello Again Fellow Community!

This Thread is about Win7. You can free talk anything about that OS.
Be technical issues you need help, the future and past of the OS, some fun story you want to share, your opinion about it, your advice, useful apps and such.

This is the place for everyone interrested or against Win7.

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[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by Nosteru:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

i cant find any info googling it, im not even sure where to start.
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you have everything needed for the game?

all runtimes and they are updated (think there is like 22 or so runtimes that are still in use and getting updates)?

directx 11 is working properly?

tried other .net's? and do you have all needed .nets (old .net's and desktop runtimes)?

verified the games files through steam?

do you use onedrive?

graphics driver working and updated?

compatibility settings for the game?

compatibility setting for webview 2 (as its not fully compatible with win 7)?

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im just tossing out guesses at this point and some might not even relate, but knowing your prepped ahead always helps

Thanks for mindblowing. I try to check what I can.
The game installed what it needed and I mentioned above.
So far these are MS stuffs installed:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3465153159
Should I install all runtime and .NET? That cant screw up my OS?
I dont know about DX11. Other games have no issue, how I check if it work properly? :P
I dont know what is onedrive so surely Im not use it. :D
My driver is last working on Win7 the Adrenalin 22.6.1.
What you mean compatibility settin for webview2? It installed the last Win7 compatible version.

if you are worried about anything messing up, simply make a restore point and revert if anything happens to go wrong, i do this almost every time i am installing new things, or multiple things.

compatibility settings are in the right click context menu when right clicking on a programs exe, under properties, compatibility, bunch of settings you can disable/enable.

you can install all used runtimes and update them, your pc should be fine.

.net and desktop runtime are fine to install, i have the old .net and up to desktop runtime 6 so far, havent had a game need higher yet.

simply installing your directx 11 again (latest version for win 7) will confirm its installed and likely working, it should tell you that you have the latest.

onedrive is a crappy cloud based program microsoft likes putting in as bloatware, dont think it came with win 7, though i mentioned it as some like to use it, until they start getting the issues it suffers (guessing you dont have it).

i assuming that graphics driver version you mentioned, is latest out for win 7 and your graphics card?

in any case, like you said, its likely webview 2 and im not sure exactly what to do with that, to get it working for ya... unless the dev decides to do something about it before you find a fix.

[Nosteru]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

compatibility settings are in the right click context menu when right clicking on a programs exe, under properties, compatibility, bunch of settings you can disable/enable.

you can install all used runtimes and update them, your pc should be fine.

.net and desktop runtime are fine to install, i have the old .net and up to desktop runtime 6 so far, havent had a game need higher yet.

simply installing your directx 11 again (latest version for win 7) will confirm its installed and likely working, it should tell you that you have the latest.

onedrive is a crappy cloud based program microsoft likes putting in as bloatware, dont think it came with win 7, though i mentioned it as some like to use it, until they start getting the issues it suffers (guessing you dont have it).

i assuming that graphics driver version you mentioned, is latest out for win 7 and your graphics card?

in any case, like you said, its likely webview 2 and im not sure exactly what to do with that, to get it working for ya... unless the dev decides to do something about it before you find a fix.

I dont think my Webview2 install need compatibilty setting as it last working for Win7.
Maybe I try it on game exe.
Im surely have the latest DX11, I remember that I downloaded it and installed.
I doubt the Runtimes is the issue, rather this bloody Webview2.
Yes my GPU is RX 580 and last legacy driver is Adrenalin 22.6.1

The Dev was kind and offered he rework the game with this old SDK, but I said him to dont do that for only 1 player. I dont want his work drawback because Im using Win7. Also he likely face with technical issues on old SDK.

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by Nosteru:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

compatibility settings are in the right click context menu when right clicking on a programs exe, under properties, compatibility, bunch of settings you can disable/enable.

you can install all used runtimes and update them, your pc should be fine.

.net and desktop runtime are fine to install, i have the old .net and up to desktop runtime 6 so far, havent had a game need higher yet.

simply installing your directx 11 again (latest version for win 7) will confirm its installed and likely working, it should tell you that you have the latest.

onedrive is a crappy cloud based program microsoft likes putting in as bloatware, dont think it came with win 7, though i mentioned it as some like to use it, until they start getting the issues it suffers (guessing you dont have it).

i assuming that graphics driver version you mentioned, is latest out for win 7 and your graphics card?

in any case, like you said, its likely webview 2 and im not sure exactly what to do with that, to get it working for ya... unless the dev decides to do something about it before you find a fix.

I dont think my Webview2 install need compatibilty setting as it last working for Win7.
Maybe I try it on game exe.
Im surely have the latest DX11, I remember that I downloaded it and installed.
I doubt the Runtimes is the issue, rather this bloody Webview2.
Yes my GPU is RX 580 and last legacy driver is Adrenalin 22.6.1

The Dev was kind and offered he rework the game with this old SDK, but I said him to dont do that for only 1 player. I dont want his work drawback because Im using Win7. Also he likely face with technical issues on old SDK.

ya, your best bet is to look into that webview 2 and see what can be done to fix it for win 7, but not searching with the game as part of your search, just webview 2 and win 7.

ya, i guess you could try the game with compatibility settings, that may possibly do something.

in any case, ill look around and see what i might find.

[Nosteru]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

ya, your best bet is to look into that webview 2 and see what can be done to fix it for win 7, but not searching with the game as part of your search, just webview 2 and win 7.

ya, i guess you could try the game, that may possibly do something.

in any case, ill look around and see what i might find.

Many Thanks Monkeh for help.

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by Nosteru:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

ya, your best bet is to look into that webview 2 and see what can be done to fix it for win 7, but not searching with the game as part of your search, just webview 2 and win 7.

ya, i guess you could try the game, that may possibly do something.

in any case, ill look around and see what i might find.

Many Thanks Monkeh for help.

np, im always willing to help.

[Nosteru]

I found this on MS site:
"There is no longer a version of .NET that's supported on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1. The last supported releases was .NET 6 and support ended on November 12, 2024."

My .NET Framework version is 4.8(.03761)
My Desktop Runtimes are 6.0.33 and 8.0.15
What this mean? What is the difference between Framework and Runtime?

Also I have the latest Microsoft Visual C++ Redistributable the 2015-2022 ver14.42.34438.0

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by Nosteru:

I found this on MS site:
"There is no longer a version of .NET that's supported on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1. The last supported releases was .NET 6 and support ended on November 12, 2024."

My .NET Framework version is 4.8(.03761)
My Desktop Runtimes are 6.0.33 and 8.0.15
What this mean? What is the difference between Framework and Runtime?

Also I have the latest Microsoft Visual C++ Redistributable the 2015-2022 ver14.42.34438.0

framework is the older version of .net, desktop runtime is the newer versions of .net, both are required due to age of games and/or games requiring newer, .net's.

yep, .net framework 4.8.1 or .2? (cant remember) is last for win 7, then i guess up to desktop runtime 6 for win 7?

is that the only runtime you have (2015-2022)? should be around 20 something (ranging from 2005 n up, with the last being a combined 2015-2022, if you have installed them all, or used an "aio runtime installer" (all in one).

that said, i dont use game runtimes, i have all mine installed and updated, along with a majority of other needed stuff, so game installs basically skip installation and go straight into playing the game.

[Nosteru]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

framework is the older version of .net, desktop runtime is the newer versions of .net, both are required due to age of games and/or games requiring newer, .net's.

yep, .net framework 4.8.1 or .2? (cant remember) is last for win 7, then i guess up to desktop runtime 6 for win 7?

is that the only runtime you have (2015-2022)? should be around 20 something (ranging from 2005 n up, with the last being a combined 2015-2022, if you have installed them all, or used an "aio runtime installer" (all in one).

that said, i dont use game runtimes, i have all mine installed and updated, along with a majority of other needed stuff, so game installs basically skip installation and go straight into playing the game.

I see Thanks.

I checked my .NET version in cmd followed a guide by command. here is the result:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3465174502

And here is my pics I linked before about what Visual C++ Redistributable I have. There is many.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3465153159

Where I can find these AIO Runtime/Redistributable? Is it safe to use, I mean it cant screw up my OS?

[MonkehMaster]

make a restore point every time, if you are worried about installs messing up your OS.

you dont have to do the missing runtimes, unless you want to.

if you want, you can just grab any missing from the microsoft catalog, or try an aio (by googling "aio runtime installer").

the one i used last, was from majorgeeks (choose w/e site you want, i went with one i know and havent had issues with, but do w/e you think is safe) and i think it did the combined runtime as well, before these newer ones, you had to use the aio and get the combined one from microsoft.

what i did was, run the aio (used to do them separately before aio's were common), allow it to uninstall all runtimes, then it reinstalled all currently used runtimes (20 something of them) (barring the difference between times of doing this, with the combined runtime), then ran windows update to check for runtime updates and if there were updates for the runtimes, i ran it several times, to make sure nothing new popped up.

or instead, figure out the webview 2 thing, assuming you arent trying out the runtimes just to be sure?

in any case, i have installed many of these and cant off the top of my head, remember an instance where one went wrong, but then again, i have OS backups, restore points, ect.. to always be safe.

[Nosteru]

Thanks

Yeah I try to focus on Webview2.
It just interresting I have the Desktop Runtime 8.0.15 while even MS site say the 6 is the last working for Win7.
The Game Demo based on 8 and as it run so it work for some strange reason. :)

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by Nosteru:

Thanks

Yeah I try to focus on Webview2.
It just interresting I have the Desktop Runtime 8.0.15 while even MS site say the 6 is the last working for Win7.
The Game Demo based on 8 and as it run so it work for some strange reason. :)

ya, its odd it even installed lol

[Nosteru]

Yesterday night I wasted many hours searching info about Webview2 issues, but I cant find any good info.
Somewhere I read that disabling Hardware Acceleration helped on some App.
However I dont know how I can run the game disabling HA on it.
Anyone can help me how to disable Hardware Acceleration on a specific App game exe?

[Lixire]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

make a restore point every time, if you are worried about installs messing up your OS.

you dont have to do the missing runtimes, unless you want to.

if you want, you can just grab any missing from the microsoft catalog, or try an aio (by googling "aio runtime installer").

the one i used last, was from majorgeeks (choose w/e site you want, i went with one i know and havent had issues with, but do w/e you think is safe) and i think it did the combined runtime as well, before these newer ones, you had to use the aio and get the combined one from microsoft.

what i did was, run the aio (used to do them separately before aio's were common), allow it to uninstall all runtimes, then it reinstalled all currently used runtimes (20 something of them) (barring the difference between times of doing this, with the combined runtime), then ran windows update to check for runtime updates and if there were updates for the runtimes, i ran it several times, to make sure nothing new popped up.

or instead, figure out the webview 2 thing, assuming you arent trying out the runtimes just to be sure?

in any case, i have installed many of these and cant off the top of my head, remember an instance where one went wrong, but then again, i have OS backups, restore points, ect.. to always be safe.

Can't he just use the MS Edge WebView2 engine?
It is an option but the issue is finding the proper installer for Win7 (version 109) as Microsoft just nuked the downloads for everything that isn't 135 or 134. But I do believe it's possible to find an archive of 109 and use that.

[Nosteru]

Originally posted by Lixire:

Can't he just use the MS Edge WebView2 engine?
It is an option but the issue is finding the proper installer for Win7 (version 109) as Microsoft just nuked the downloads for everything that isn't 135 or 134. But I do believe it's possible to find an archive of 109 and use that.

What you mean MS Edge Webview2 engine?
I installed Webview2 trough Evergreen Bootstrapper what set the proper version for my OS, the last working for Win7: 109.0.1518.140

[Lixire]

Originally posted by Nosteru:

Originally posted by Lixire:

Can't he just use the MS Edge WebView2 engine?
It is an option but the issue is finding the proper installer for Win7 (version 109) as Microsoft just nuked the downloads for everything that isn't 135 or 134. But I do believe it's possible to find an archive of 109 and use that.

What you mean MS Edge Webview2 engine?
I installed Webview2 trough Evergreen Bootstrapper what set the proper version for my OS, the last working for Win7: 109.0.1518.140

I don't have any experience with the Evergreen Bootstrapper and how it overall works and if there is any different. But I remember while testing something in Win7 earlier. I just went with the option of "Fixed version" for WebView2 instead when they still offered the 109 version