The Cozy Win7 Thread

[Nosteru]

Hello Again Fellow Community!

This Thread is about Win7. You can free talk anything about that OS.
Be technical issues you need help, the future and past of the OS, some fun story you want to share, your opinion about it, your advice, useful apps and such.

This is the place for everyone interrested or against Win7.

Just please be polite and try to respect eachother.

To Moderators: On this forum OFF-Topic comments are allowed for polite and healthy discussion.

Thanks
Eru

[A&A]

引用自 bidulless：

hello
so it mean it will may be work ...honestly my knowledge in this area is near 0 and worst about amd because i never used amd xd

About the CPUs?
What he refears to is CCD which is a complex full of cores on its own die placed on the chip. The Ryzen 5 7600X you mentioned has 2 CCDs with 3 cores each, and the downside of this design is that they have to be connected via infinite fabric (interconnect between all ccds, memory controller, PCIe lines), making communication between the two CCDs slower. And Windows somewhat manages the load between them, but Windows 7 will treat them as equal cores.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17585/amd-zen-4-ryzen-9-7950x-and-ryzen-5-7600x-review-retaking-the-high-end/10

[bidulless]

引用自 A&A：

引用自 bidulless：

hello
so it mean it will may be work ...honestly my knowledge in this area is near 0 and worst about amd because i never used amd xd

About the CPUs?
What he refears to is CCD which is a complex full of cores on its own die placed on the chip. The Ryzen 5 7600X you mentioned has 2 CCDs with 3 cores each, and the downside of this design is that they have to be connected via infinite fabric (interconnect between all ccds, memory controller, PCIe lines), making communication between the two CCDs slower. And Windows somewhat manages the load between them, but Windows 7 will threaten them as equal cores.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17585/amd-zen-4-ryzen-9-7950x-and-ryzen-5-7600x-review-retaking-the-high-end/10

hello
nice, thx for the link @A&A
i will finish it tomorrow , falling asleep,
thx again and take care all and "bonne nuit'

[Ontrix_Kitsune]

引用自 A&A：

About the CPUs?
What he refears to is CCD which is a complex full of cores on its own die placed on the chip. The Ryzen 5 7600X you mentioned has 2 CCDs with 3 cores each, and the downside of this design is that they have to be connected via infinite fabric (interconnect between all ccds, memory controller, PCIe lines), making communication between the two CCDs slower. And Windows somewhat manages the load between them, but Windows 7 will treat them as equal cores.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17585/amd-zen-4-ryzen-9-7950x-and-ryzen-5-7600x-review-retaking-the-high-end/10

You are incorrect in your statement there. Unfortunately Windows 7 treats AMD Ryzen CPU's with multiple CCD's as multiple physical processors. This means if a Ryzen CPU has 2 CCD's then Windows 7 will treat it as if it's two physical processors. Windows 7 will run on those systems but it will not run smoothly and it would be a very undesirable experience, just like I described above.

The only possible way for Windows 7 to be completely smooth, stable, and offer good performance on any AMD Ryzen processor is to use a CPU with 1 CCD and disable SMT. And we have to run AM4 motherboards in CSM mode (Legacy) mode as well or Windows 7 won't even boot at all. Which makes the system in general even slower.

Overall and in general while it can work it's probably not a good idea to even try to run Windows 7 on any AMD Ryzen based computer. By the time we get the system configured to work correctly for Windows 7 we end up having to disable so much of the platform that it's almost not worth even bothering. Sure it can be made to work but with the CPU running at around a -60% performance penalty overall.

[A&A]

引用自 Ontrix_Kitsune：

You are incorrect in your statement there. Unfortunately Windows 7 treats AMD Ryzen CPU's with multiple CCD's as multiple physical processors. This means if a Ryzen CPU has 2 CCD's then Windows 7 will treat it as if it's two physical processors. Windows 7 will run on those systems but it will not run smoothly and it would be a very undesirable experience, just like I described above.

The only possible way for Windows 7 to be completely smooth, stable, and offer good performance on any AMD Ryzen processor is to use a CPU with 1 CCD and disable SMT. And we have to run AM4 motherboards in CSM mode (Legacy) mode as well or Windows 7 won't even boot at all. Which makes the system in general even slower.

Overall and in general while it can work it's probably not a good idea to even try to run Windows 7 on any AMD Ryzen based computer. By the time we get the system configured to work correctly for Windows 7 we end up having to disable so much of the platform that it's almost not worth even bothering. Sure it can be made to work but with the CPU running at around a -60% performance penalty overall.

So you don't even know what CCD is... Great...

There is an instruction called CPUID. I wonder what it does and why it doesn't report the amout of CCDs or CCXs, but something else. And why processor supplementary capability feature exists?
The questions are part of the core of the modern computing.

[Ontrix_Kitsune]

引用自 A&A：

So you don't even know what CCD is... Great...

I know exactly what it means. I told you I made a typo in my earlier comment.

With AMD Ryzen the CCD's contain the CCX's inside of them where the physical cores are. Some Ryzen processors have multiple CCD's connected by Infinity Fabric while some other Ryzen processors only have one physical CCD. Not all Ryzen processors have multiple CCD's in them.

I understand that AMD's Ryzen processors SHOULD be reporting to the operating system as one unified processor, even with multiple CCD's inside of it. Unfortunately because of Windows 7's age it does not understand this. Like I said above: If we use a Multiple-CCD Ryzen processor in Windows 7 then it will treat it functionally as two physical processors, even if it shows up as one unified processor in task manager.

You really should try running Windows 7 yourself personally on a Ryzen 5900X or 5950X to see what I'm talking about. If you have not actually seen it yourself then you probably shouldn't be commenting about it.

[A&A]

引用自 Ontrix_Kitsune：

I know exactly what it means. I told you I made a typo in my earlier comment.

With AMD Ryzen the CCD's contain the CCX's inside of them where the physical cores are. Some Ryzen processors have multiple CCD's connected by Infinity Fabric while some other Ryzen processors only have one physical CCD. Not all Ryzen processors have multiple CCD's in them.

I understand that AMD's Ryzen processors SHOULD be reporting to the operating system as one unified processor, even with multiple CCD's inside of it. Unfortunately because of Windows 7's age it does not understand this. Like I said above: If we use a Multiple-CCD Ryzen processor in Windows 7 then it will treat it functionally as two physical processors, even if it shows up as one unified processor in task manager.

You really should try running Windows 7 yourself personally on a Ryzen 5900X or 5950X to see what I'm talking about. If you have not actually seen it yourself then you probably shouldn't be commenting about it.

You know what NUMA is, right?
Tell me how an OS will treat it as a seperate CPU when there is only one node?
CCDs have shared access to the same pool of RAM. What do you mean it is seperated CPU!? No it is not!

[r.linder]

The Windows task scheduler doesn't see that there's multiple chiplets in regards to some AMD processors, was never designed for that, causes problems even with versions newer than 7

It doesn't mean it's multiple CPUs in the eye of the system otherwise there would be considerable difficulty with a lot of software that doesn't support multi-CPU config, there's still a single NUMA node

[Ontrix_Kitsune]

引用自 A&A：

引用自 Ontrix_Kitsune：

You really should try running Windows 7 yourself personally on a Ryzen 5900X or 5950X to see what I'm talking about. If you have not actually seen it yourself then you probably shouldn't be commenting about it.

You know what NUMA is, right?
Tell me how an OS will treat it as a seperate CPU when there is only one node?
CCDs have shared access to the same pool of RAM. What do you mean it is seperated CPU!? No it is not!

Have you actually tried running Windows 7 on an AMD Ryzen processor with multiple CCD's in it yourself personally?

[BionicSeaSerpent]

引用自 Ontrix_Kitsune：

引用自 A&A：

You know what NUMA is, right?
Tell me how an OS will treat it as a seperate CPU when there is only one node?
CCDs have shared access to the same pool of RAM. What do you mean it is seperated CPU!? No it is not!

Have you actually tried running Windows 7 on an AMD Ryzen processor with multiple CCD's in it yourself personally?

certainly doesn't sound nice . especially when there is technology thats alien to windows 7 in the first place, and its really not ironed out yet. not to mention how lethargic the security and support is for windows 7. which has been dead for 4 years.

[Master.Constructor]

引用自 bidulless：

引用自 Master.Constructor：

Exactly this. Windows 7 2024.10.10 does what I need everyday. I haven't found an easy way to shut-up Win10 and/or pretty it up enough. UpdatePack7 doesn't make Win7 any prettier but it sure is great at taking care of the nitty gritty.

hello

aye but the main problem about w7 nowadays is not to make it running on new hardware but mainly gpu and may be some network drivers but not really sur about this part..

i can suggest you to try autounattented.xml ( so easy and simple to use ) on a vm first if you want to continue following the path of windows and it also works on both os , w10 and the ♥♥♥♥ w11 and also use any tool on the host side to check network dialog trought logs like dnscrypt-proxy ( nat vm config) or wireshark ( bridge vm config )
https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator/
i have pretty good result using it myself

I am sure there is a way to deal with Win10, but if I'm going to put much effort into it I'd rather invest in Linux. Win7 is easy enough for me, especially since I've been using it since release. I've used Win10 enough to think the effort isn't worth it but I'm still not decided.

[EASY PETE]

Time to move onto winspy 11

[bidulless]

引用自 Master.Constructor：

引用自 bidulless：

hello

aye but the main problem about w7 nowadays is not to make it running on new hardware but mainly gpu and may be some network drivers but not really sur about this part..

i can suggest you to try autounattented.xml ( so easy and simple to use ) on a vm first if you want to continue following the path of windows and it also works on both os , w10 and the ♥♥♥♥ w11 and also use any tool on the host side to check network dialog trought logs like dnscrypt-proxy ( nat vm config) or wireshark ( bridge vm config )
https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator/
i have pretty good result using it myself

I am sure there is a way to deal with Win10, but if I'm going to put much effort into it I'd rather invest in Linux. Win7 is easy enough for me, especially since I've been using it since release. I've used Win10 enough to think the effort isn't worth it but I'm still not decided.

hello
nearly nothing to do with mint ,)
just install it, install steam and select an option under steam and our fav gamelauncher will do all the job for us ( installing proton , wine, etc ) when needed
and if you need to add tools from windows like xmplayer, just add them as a non steam game and steam will handle them

https://i.postimg.cc/rwC1qmHj/Capture.jpg
i am too lazy so steam is working for me xd
https://i.postimg.cc/RhHtyVfc/Capture.jpg
after pressed play ,)
https://i.postimg.cc/HxB85VM2/Capture.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/5NHQY92B/Capture.jpg
and let's run powershell , the only good product mikeysoft made outside biztalk xd
https://i.postimg.cc/9QdMZD57/Capture.jpg

[Lixire]

引用自 Master.Constructor：

引用自 Nikonos：

Will Windows 7 still be alive and kicking in 2025? I bet it will be!

You're darn'd toot'n right it will be! :D

Looking to put together a new Win7 build next year for gaming. Considering an AMD 7500F - 7600X CPU w 32GB.

Possible and it will boot into the OS but utterly pointless it will be especially due to the lack of driver support from the rest of the platform and if you are building a new rig but ain't interested in 10 or 11 then Linux will make sense the most with that configuration

Or if you still need Windows and since you already engage in breaking the EULA and installing unapproved Windows Sever 2008 R2 updates into retail Windows 7 then you might as well look into 10 21H2 LTSC or 11 24H2 LTSC

[Master.Constructor]

引用自 Lixire：

引用自 Master.Constructor：

You're darn'd toot'n right it will be! :D

Looking to put together a new Win7 build next year for gaming. Considering an AMD 7500F - 7600X CPU w 32GB.

Possible and it will boot into the OS but utterly pointless it will be especially due to the lack of driver support from the rest of the platform and if you are building a new rig but ain't interested in 10 or 11 then Linux will make sense the most with that configuration

Or if you still need Windows and since you already engage in breaking the EULA and installing unapproved Windows Sever 2008 R2 updates into retail Windows 7 then you might as well look into 10 21H2 LTSC or 11 24H2 LTSC

I've looked into LTSC but it doesn't seem to be the solution I was looking for. I will revisit in the new year and see what's become of it and how well it can replace Win7.

In the meantime, running 32GB and RX 6950XT offers plenty of power for next few years.

[Nosteru]

Interresting stuff. This game use Unreal Engine 5.2.1. Know thing that no game is able to run on UE 5.2+ on Win7. Strangely the game also have D3D12Core dll and it Run on Win7!!!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1618800/Ooze_Odyssey/