The Cozy Win7 Thread

[Nosteru]

Hello Again Fellow Community!

This Thread is about Win7. You can free talk anything about that OS.
Be technical issues you need help, the future and past of the OS, some fun story you want to share, your opinion about it, your advice, useful apps and such.

This is the place for everyone interrested or against Win7.

Just please be polite and try to respect eachother.

To Moderators: On this forum OFF-Topic comments are allowed for polite and healthy discussion.

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Eru

[andreasaspenberg575]

i just need to find that update. it might stil be available online.

[A&A]

Escrito originalmente por bidulless:

hello
I do not think rufus can download iso anymore ..but he can use archiv.org
https://archive.org/details/Windows-8-1-ISO-Archive
this is where i've downloaded mine for testing purpose.( really impressive os imo )
but anyway, even here, as the iso has been updloaded by a random, it's always better to check sha with official mikeysoft sha.

Yes, the archive is a good place, but I don't know how they are after the two incidents.

[bidulless]

Escrito originalmente por A&A:

Escrito originalmente por bidulless:

hello
I do not think rufus can download iso anymore ..but he can use archiv.org
https://archive.org/details/Windows-8-1-ISO-Archive
this is where i've downloaded mine for testing purpose.( really impressive os imo )
but anyway, even here, as the iso has been updloaded by a random, it's always better to check sha with official mikeysoft sha.

Yes, the archive is a good place, but I don't know how they are after the two incidents.

hello
they are hosting to many stuff that i suriously doubt that w7 would have been impacted ...
And these does not forbid you to check sha from files you are downloading from .

[Nikonos]

Escrito originalmente por r.linder:

Escrito originalmente por Nikonos:

I think you missed the context of what was written.

No I think he understood, at least more than you did.

A lot of consumers don't want to accept that they're part of the problem and only want to blame corporations. Yet, it's a two way street. They can't get to their destination without the help of the consumer, because they don't have a business if people aren't buying.

No, I think he didn't understand what I wrote, anyway, not your place to say.

What Microsoft is 'offering' (read: shoving up people computers) is not the fault of the customers.
It is not what they want, even if you write it is - because reasons.
There is more resistance to such practices with every new Windows iteration now.
How you even can suggest the customers are 'the problem' is really beyond me.

[r.linder]

Escrito originalmente por Nikonos:

Escrito originalmente por r.linder:

No I think he understood, at least more than you did.

A lot of consumers don't want to accept that they're part of the problem and only want to blame corporations. Yet, it's a two way street. They can't get to their destination without the help of the consumer, because they don't have a business if people aren't buying.

No, I think he didn't understand what I wrote, anyway, not your place to say.

What Microsoft is 'offering' (read: shoving up people computers) is not the fault of the customers.
It is not what they want, even if you write it is - because reasons.
There is more resistance to such practices with every new Windows iteration now.
How you even can suggest the customers are 'the problem' is really beyond me.

I've already explained at length why consumers share the blame, no matter how many times people get mad over what Microsoft changes, almost every single one of them ends up accepting the inevitable and moves onto the next garbage edition because it's less work than the alternatives.

If you can't see and accept the reality that consumers have enormous power in the market as a cohesive, that's your problem.

[Nikonos]

Escrito originalmente por r.linder:

Escrito originalmente por Nikonos:

No, I think he didn't understand what I wrote, anyway, not your place to say.

What Microsoft is 'offering' (read: shoving up people computers) is not the fault of the customers.
It is not what they want, even if you write it is - because reasons.
There is more resistance to such practices with every new Windows iteration now.
How you even can suggest the customers are 'the problem' is really beyond me.

I've already explained at length why consumers share the blame, no matter how many times people get mad over what Microsoft changes, almost every single one of them ends up accepting the inevitable and moves onto the next garbage edition because it's less work than the alternatives.

If you can't see and accept the reality that consumers have enormous power in the market as a cohesive, that's your problem.

Not really my problem when you place the blame of bad, forced products on the customers instead of the people selling them, like any sane person would. It's just your highly misguided view on markets and economy, and luckily there are many laws against such practices.

[r.linder]

Escrito originalmente por Nikonos:

Escrito originalmente por r.linder:

I've already explained at length why consumers share the blame, no matter how many times people get mad over what Microsoft changes, almost every single one of them ends up accepting the inevitable and moves onto the next garbage edition because it's less work than the alternatives.

If you can't see and accept the reality that consumers have enormous power in the market as a cohesive, that's your problem.

Not really my problem when you place the blame of bad, forced products on the customers instead of the people selling them, like any sane person would. It's just your highly misguided view on markets and economy, and luckily there are many laws against such practices.

If you actually read what I said then you'd know that I'm not solely blaming consumers, I put the blame on EVERYONE. Both the corporation and the consumers are responsible for the way things turned out.

If consumers didn't bow down to the almighty Microsoft whenever they wanted to change something for their own profits, then Windows 11 wouldn't even exist. Windows would still be more like 7 and not total garbage. Microsoft was allowed to ruin everything by consumers consistently failing to fight for what they want by choosing to do nothing.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Escrito originalmente por r.linder:

Escrito originalmente por Nikonos:

Not really my problem when you place the blame of bad, forced products on the customers instead of the people selling them, like any sane person would. It's just your highly misguided view on markets and economy, and luckily there are many laws against such practices.

If you actually read what I said then you'd know that I'm not solely blaming consumers, I put the blame on EVERYONE. Both the corporation and the consumers are responsible for the way things turned out.

If consumers didn't bow down to the almighty Microsoft whenever they wanted to change something for their own profits, then Windows 11 wouldn't even exist. Windows would still be more like 7 and not total garbage. Microsoft was allowed to ruin everything by consumers consistently failing to fight for what they want by choosing to do nothing.

more importantly if more consumers did what I did when they first started to add steam as drm to fysical pc games..
(often going as far that for 1 game the gold edition was without steam drm and the basic and platinum versions were not)
: putting in the efford to research what copies had that steam account neccesairy.. and just not buy them..
=> than steam would have died before it arose as it should and we still would have ownership of our games.

but people were to lazy.. first to lazy to put in the research in what copies had drm and which had not
second to ignorant to recognise drm as the issue it is, and caring more about instant gratification now.. aka not the dicipline to deny themself the purchase of games with this hostile drm included even if the games seemed apealing and stick to a lesser offering
thirdly by buying from the steam store directly.. killing fysical stores.. leading to them paying much higher prices than they did before.

and now.. again.. when steam just pulls windows 7 support without offering a solution..
they should all imediatly never buy anything from steam again.
for every game you buy on steam will eventually have the os if needs to run no longer be suported by steam.
but once again people are to lazy and care more about imediate gratifications than if they or anyone can still play these games 5, 10 or 20 years from now.

i only made a steam account.. when the fysical stores died.. and when no more copies without steam drm were made at all.. I kept for almost 7 years the resistance alive... but I could not break the rise of steam-drm alone.
**
at that point thanks to others the war was lost.. and I had a choose.. never buy any new game again.. or face the new reality.,. clearly I shose the latter.. but that was heavely founded by gabes promise to remove the drm "if steam for some reason no longer is able to deliver the service in the future"
-> this however has proven to be a lie.. for no drm free copies have been handed of games bought under windows 7 that will not work under windows 10.
(nor were there for windows xp.. but as almost all windows xp games were also sold as drm free copies and windows 7 has windows xp and legancy support thats not so much as issue as now with 10.. that renders far more games forever unplayable.
**
this has made me deciede "never another cent to steam" and from 400 euro a year to 0.. should send a signal.. it only works if enough others do the same..
sadly to few people again to lazy or ignorant to care..

as for windows...
I not like windows 10.. for the very reason it has no legacy support.
the forced upgrades, the lowering of user control (like removal of the control screen) spying on me as user.. all are concerns too.
the tiles design I find ugly too.. makes it look to much like a crappyu smartphone..
on top of that the default build in xbox games support.. does not go well with a person who sees multiplatform gaming as ruining the experience and hates it very much.

windows 11.. even worse.. on all these issues.. but with added that ridiculous won't work if your cpu is not new enoughj.. where all windows versions before only had a demand based on "calculations per second" of gpu and cpu, and available ram and hd space.
this means it forced planned obselencence on hardware..

so basicly there has not yet been a windows version after 7 that is a worthy succesor.
the fact microsoft plans to make it no longer possible to buy full retail versions of their software including the OS..
(only selling OEM versions.. or worse make them all subscription based).. is a move I hate even more..

it is quite possible that my next pc.. will not run windows 11.. but linux.. even though linux has terrible support for games and I very much love to stick with windows..
but once again ms likely only reverts from this wrong path once enough consumers send the signal by no longer using windows or refusing to upgrade despite parties like steam trying to force you..

[Nikonos]

Escrito originalmente por Dutchgamer1982:

Escrito originalmente por r.linder:

If you actually read what I said then you'd know that I'm not solely blaming consumers, I put the blame on EVERYONE. Both the corporation and the consumers are responsible for the way things turned out.

If consumers didn't bow down to the almighty Microsoft whenever they wanted to change something for their own profits, then Windows 11 wouldn't even exist. Windows would still be more like 7 and not total garbage. Microsoft was allowed to ruin everything by consumers consistently failing to fight for what they want by choosing to do nothing.

more importantly if more consumers did what I did when they first started to add steam as drm to fysical pc games..
(often going as far that for 1 game the gold edition was without steam drm and the basic and platinum versions were not)
: putting in the efford to research what copies had that steam account neccesairy.. and just not buy them..
=> than steam would have died before it arose as it should and we still would have ownership of our games.

but people were to lazy.. first to lazy to put in the research in what copies had drm and which had not
second to ignorant to recognise drm as the issue it is, and caring more about instant gratification now.. aka not the dicipline to deny themself the purchase of games with this hostile drm included even if the games seemed apealing and stick to a lesser offering
thirdly by buying from the steam store directly.. killing fysical stores.. leading to them paying much higher prices than they did before.

and now.. again.. when steam just pulls windows 7 support without offering a solution..
they should all imediatly never buy anything from steam again.
for every game you buy on steam will eventually have the os if needs to run no longer be suported by steam.
but once again people are to lazy and care more about imediate gratifications than if they or anyone can still play these games 5, 10 or 20 years from now.

i only made a steam account.. when the fysical stores died.. and when no more copies without steam drm were made at all.. I kept for almost 7 years the resistance alive... but I could not break the rise of steam-drm alone.
**
at that point thanks to others the war was lost.. and I had a choose.. never buy any new game again.. or face the new reality.,. clearly I shose the latter.. but that was heavely founded by gabes promise to remove the drm "if steam for some reason no longer is able to deliver the service in the future"
-> this however has proven to be a lie.. for no drm free copies have been handed of games bought under windows 7 that will not work under windows 10.
(nor were there for windows xp.. but as almost all windows xp games were also sold as drm free copies and windows 7 has windows xp and legancy support thats not so much as issue as now with 10.. that renders far more games forever unplayable.
**
this has made me deciede "never another cent to steam" and from 400 euro a year to 0.. should send a signal.. it only works if enough others do the same..
sadly to few people again to lazy or ignorant to care..

as for windows...
I not like windows 10.. for the very reason it has no legacy support.
the forced upgrades, the lowering of user control (like removal of the control screen) spying on me as user.. all are concerns too.
the tiles design I find ugly too.. makes it look to much like a crappyu smartphone..
on top of that the default build in xbox games support.. does not go well with a person who sees multiplatform gaming as ruining the experience and hates it very much.

windows 11.. even worse.. on all these issues.. but with added that ridiculous won't work if your cpu is not new enoughj.. where all windows versions before only had a demand based on "calculations per second" of gpu and cpu, and available ram and hd space.
this means it forced planned obselencence on hardware..

so basicly there has not yet been a windows version after 7 that is a worthy succesor.
the fact microsoft plans to make it no longer possible to buy full retail versions of their software including the OS..
(only selling OEM versions.. or worse make them all subscription based).. is a move I hate even more..

it is quite possible that my next pc.. will not run windows 11.. but linux.. even though linux has terrible support for games and I very much love to stick with windows..
but once again ms likely only reverts from this wrong path once enough consumers send the signal by no longer using windows or refusing to upgrade despite parties like steam trying to force you..

As a user myself, I just observe and draw my own conclusions - buy or not buy. Blaming other users with 'arguments' that are really nothing more than one's own opinions is frankly ludicrous. The 'trust me bro'-meme in service of the bad salesman.

About MS en W11- i'll run it when all better options are gone (in fact I already run it and it's slow and bloaty but stable). Hoping dedicated programmers will make our life better by cleaning MS's mess up with user friendly upgrades for W11. I'll have no trouble paying them for their work.

[Nikonos]

Escrito originalmente por r.linder:

If consumers didn't bow down to the almighty Microsoft ...

They don't ... why are you talking for every consumer? It's beyond stupid at this point.

[bidulless]

hello
agree with many post here from different users xd
but the most important one is that we are , no offence to anyone, a bit lazy and we are always choosing the easiest way because it's more conveniant for us :
this is our behaviour i guess ....

[Nosteru]

I dont think we should blame the users directly. Ppl have different needs, different time, different interrest.
We can protest against stuff but at the end probably will be a waste of time. Esspecialy if the majority accept it. You cant change anything if others not follow.
For example we Win7 users in some way protesting. It fit our needs, but realy we change anything as minority?

[Quint]

You are looking at the things from the nostalgia window.

Physical media and Steam have no effect on today's outcome. Even if they do it's so slim it does not matter.

The death of physical media is inevitable. And for good reason. I care about having lots of information in my hands. Not the select few. And everyone else should too. That's where digital media comes in.

You speak as if physical media can somehow stop Windows from breaking bad. (damn Mr. White) Microsoft can still pull all these things and sell Windows at your local shop. It has absolutely no effect on the telemetry. Telemetry only needs networking and sufficient systen resources. Something that has nothing to do with physical media.

It's entirely possible for physical media to be THE way things get done AND have today's telemetry multiplied by 100. These are mutually exclusive things.

I see a lot of undiscovered philosophers throwing around "instant gratification" around these days to validate their argument. While yes it is a very real problem, connecting every little thing to it is not the way to go.

Steam won because they offered convenience. Tech has ALWAYS advanced via the premise of convenience. There is no getting around it and it's a good thing. Otherwise we would still be counting abacuses. Porn sites and Steam advanced online content distribution and caused online libraries, (Internet Archive) schools, (Khan Academy) and the biggest collection of all mankind's knowledge (Wikipedia) to exist.

DRMs are an issue I agree. And while consumers ARE at fault, it pretty pointless to discuss about it. People are busy. I know people who are so drown in their work and family problems that their heads ache ALL THE TIME. I am not expecting these people to learn a whole new world and have a fight for computer freedom. That is just selfish of me.

But sure you wanna watch that disc spin, don't ya?

[ImperatorPavel]

There's also the interesting consideration that if 7 was still the mainstream OS, it would likely have received many features that 7 does not currently have, potentially making it a very bloated and slow OS.

Windows 7 with ~10 more years of feature updates (mainstream support ended in 2015) would likely mean a very different OS than the Windows 7 you all enjoy now.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Escrito originalmente por ImperatorPavel:

There's also the interesting consideration that if 7 was still the mainstream OS, it would likely have received many features that 7 does not currently have, potentially making it a very bloated and slow OS.

Windows 7 with ~10 more years of feature updates (mainstream support ended in 2015) would likely mean a very different OS than the Windows 7 you all enjoy now.

windows xp version 3.. after more than 13 years of upgrades (10 years of being supported and 3 years of security updates after that) was vastly different than when it was created.. yet it still was much better than anything after.. even than windows 7..

so having windows 7 recieve dx 11 and 12.. and other such features that it was denied now.. would not have made it bloaty.. sure it would run a bit slower than the windows 7 we have now... but likely still vastly lighter than win 10 and 11..

btw for me the step to windows 7 only happened in 2016.. until that point I was still using windows xp.. which I had been using since 1 year before it's official release (as I had obtained a copy of windows whisler)...

so you see from where I come..