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You could have just answered "Yes"
I don't care if they change the control panel and put those options and configuration in an app but it's clear why this happened if you can no longer opt out of Geforce Experience. I have OBS studio.
I'm not really mad about this happening though. It's the principle, but there's enough of that to go around.
Do you see it that way?
I like the change. I feel like I simply get some extra settings in the new control panel while making the control panel lighter at the same time. There is also no login requirement from the hated “NVidia Experience”.
No need to click on the new setting. Nothings is forced. It’s basically an improved control panel for me.
I see a lot of people not liking the change and that surprises me.
I also moved to AMD last time so this doesn't directly affect me, but even I see this as an improvement to nVidia's ecosystem that I'd like to see happen.
Although this does depend on how well nVidia executes it. Concept is one thing; execution is another. But the common narrative seems to be one that nVidia's software side of things is so dependable, so the fact that some people are worried is something I find almost amusing. Perhaps some are feeling a bit uncertain of that very narrative?
I think this will go well (perhaps with some hiccups though). I think it will benefit nVidia users. I think people are just averse to change.
It's the other way around. The control panel is not only dated in looks, but it's very feature deficient.
We discussed this is another thread but I wasn't even making the use of recording capabilities on my nVidia GPU when I had it. Modern video cards have decoding and encoding hardware on them and nVidia's drivers alone can't even record gameplay and take advantage of that. Even the popular Afterburner for it doesn't. You can take advantage of it with GeForce Experience... but as much as some to love ridiculing Adrenalin for some reason, nVidia users seem to reject GeForce Experience even more. Sometimes you might decide it's not worth trying to fix something if the reputation is too broken; you spin it as a new thing and maybe that helps its acceptance and its image (might be a similar reason why they didn't just price drop the RTX 4080 and released the RTX 4080 Super instead).
So in a way, this is improving GeForce Experience as its the closest thing to what this new nVidia App will resemble, but nVidia wants to make it for "all things nVidia" and to have it replace the aged control panel too.
I don't get the complaints of "I don't want to use more applications than I need to" when most nVidia users are precisely using all of these other applications like RivaTuner, RTSS, Afterburner, OBS, etc. because the drivers aren't sufficient for any of that. So this doesn't add to the amount of software they need, it either keeps it the same or cuts it back.
This new approach, if executed well, fixes all of that.
I think I remember hearing about a login requirement for Geforce Experience and kind of kept that fact stored away, but it always lead to puzzlement from me.
I get why you'd have to login if that aspect of the program maybe saved profiles or some personalized settings and restored them or whatever but it was necessary for identifying who you were.
But, I really don't get if that login requirement stopped you from recording games at all to begin with which obviously it shouldn't.
I always wondered this but never bothered to figure it out because I don't need to. I like the idea of a newer updated faster sleeker interface, but so far am not liking the idea of Geforce Experience being forced with it. I'm not sure if that's even the case, but up to now the idea is unsettling. I'll see how it plays out.
What features should control panel have incorporated? I'm hoping you don't mention anything with "video encoding" related (which is what I though I kind of felt you saying earlier in the thread, but decided to not really address it yet).
This is where I THINK I see a problem in your concept or way of thinking. The reason is that drivers don't record gameplay. This is how I see things, so not sure if I'm missing your point. Drivers simply make the ability available and the options available for encoding are set and available depending on the individual program you are using to do the recording/encoding. So if something wasn't available to encode with on your gpu, the blame is STRICTLY with vidcoder, handbrake, OBS or whatever. No option in control panel will fix a problem within that application. It would only make a universal change across all applications such as (total disabling of nvenc or enabling of nvenc).
My point is what I think I said earlier, in that that same blame would be with Geforce Experience and NOT with control panel, or Nvidia's drivers. If it's a problem with Nvidia's drivers then it's because Nvidia just doesn't know what the heck they're doing with video recording/encoding (which is to some degree what I believe) and pretty much the way I see it which is why I use OBS.
I'm not sure if Nvidia's users using Geforce Experience are lesser informed of how things works and just jumping to the conclusion that "an overhaul of control panel will help fix Geforce Experience" which may be the case but should not be the case. That should be fixed within Geforce Experience and then shove the fixed program out to those that opt in. I'm sure Nvidia loves the misconeption though for the defense of this new rollout.
That's how I see it up to now.
Does Nvidia have something to compete with Afterburner+Rivatuner? legit question. If it did, I'd consider messing with it.
Again, with this paragraph, I'd just refer you to the first paragraph in this post. I do think drivers are fine and the issue is with Geforce Experience. Not sure if I'm wrong about this and everyone else is right, or if I'm right and everyone else still refuses to believe I'm right for whatever reason (this has happened before).
Those features would be stuff like fan curves, overclocking, undervolting, recording, that sort of thing. And yes, recording to take advantage of a feature of the video card seems pretty baseline to me. Why shouldn't it?
If you don't care for those things, nobody is forcing you to use them. Do you use every single feature in the control panel? Doubtful. Some people act like a thing being an option is bad. That's silly especially in this day and age where things are the opposite and we need more of those instead of having control of our PC taken away from us.
Wait, why is what someone thinks a "problem" just because you think another way when it's a subjective matter?
Opinions are just that, but Adrenalin offers it, GeForce Experience offers it, and nVidia users who reject the latter are turning to Afterburner or OBS or whatever for it, so it seems to me there's good enough reason for nVidia to think it's beneficial to offer, regardless of you personally disagreeing with it.
If you want to make an argument that drivers should only be drivers, then that ship sailed long ago already. The control panel itself is already more than drivers (it has game profiles for one, plus many other options). Maybe nVidia will offer a true driver only way with absolutely zero interface and options like AMD does for the few purists who want that.
It doesn't matter if it is called a control panel or nVidia App; it's still going to be a single software suite used to interface options for the driver. You're going to get hung up on what it's called? I agree the name is bland but that's not a particularly good reason to dislike the features it's posed to provide.
Yes, not all applications take advantage of all types of encoding, but for nVidia, a hardware manufacturer, to offer a hardware feature, and then not have their software able to take advantage of it is... strange.
To be clear, GeForce Experience takes advantage of it, but they are in the position where they have the control panel plus GeForce Experience (plus users who reject the latter). Why two things? Unify them. That's exactly what they're doing.
You're mistaken here.
GeForce Experience has no problem with encoding. It has this with ShadowPlay. AMD calls their equivalent of sorts ReLive.
Yes, GeForce Experience and soon this new nVidia App.
Not sure if you're confusing/conflating control panel with Geforce Experience/Shadowplay but I see them as two different things. Control Panel should be just that. A control panel with access to some settings/configuration options. As far as the fan curves, overclocking, undervolting and stuff like that sure. Recording (without the "settings") thing in there is where I draw the line. If you mean a setting with what I said earlier like "disable/enable gpu encoding" fine. If you mean like a big red button that says "start recording now" within the control panel, nah. Doesn't make sense to me.
Put that within and I mean strictly within another application (this is where I see Geforce Experience/Shadowplay coming in).
Well, that's kind of my point I'm trying to make here in the thread. I don't have much of a beef if they're allowing us to opt out of Geforce Experience/Shadowplay. But I'm getting the impression that they're going to be combined and then forced out. I mean, that's even what I read in the OP here, them being "unified". If it's an optional unification, cool. If it's a forced one where everyone gets Geforce Experience again it's the principle to me. If I can't opt out, I'm not being force to use it, I would be forced to download/install it on my pc though?.
A layer of software that is capable of recording/encoding/broadcasting(?) video is not just "an option". It's more space and significantly more code tossed into a program, even it's a .dll or whatever. Might not be as big as photoshop, but it is big which is probably why Nvidia set files are always like 300+ MB in size. Just guessing.
This situation seems reversed if I'm being forced to get GE (losing my control to opt out) while everyone who uses is turns a blind eye. I never implied they should strip GE and block access to it. Keep it optional is what I'm saying. If they have Control Panel for me and a separate option where you can either choose GE and the new unified panel or not have it at all I'd be happy with that option knowing if I rejected the updated control panel it's own choice out of refusal to use GE.
Well, your way isn't a problem for me directly or personally. I just think it's a fundamental flaw in being consistent with your attitude towards pre-packaged software.
I'm familiar with you always comparing with AMD, and that's within your right. Not always the best judgement call though. A lot would disagree with you here when they're complaining that Edge/IE had been baked into Windows for the longest and they always wanted it removed. We do need to browse the net right? So it's great MS bakes it in/shoves it onto us from the start.
I don't think Nvidia users reject GE and then turn to Afterburner. I think it's the other way around. I know Afterburner is good at that and so I use it and therefore don't need GE. Same for OBS. Again, I have no problem if they offer it. I never complained up to now regardless of how many times I've had to leave GE unchecked during my Nvidia driver setups.
Well, you're making it seem here like I only want the option of "drivers vs drivers+obs and the full suite of Nvidia capabilities". Not the case.
I don't mind having a control panel. How else am I going to configure deeper unviersal settings? command line?
Though, it would be a nice option and I think it is? Can't you just add hardware through devices and lead it the inf file or whatever like the old school method even though I think at this point it does force the control panel. Again, I'm still fine with that. But, I don't need GE.
Well, I'm not fixated on the name. The word "Metro" or "app" used to trigger me, but I'm kind of over that. I have a feeling that if control panel becomes an app with the traditional light "app" feel kind of like an actual application on a diet, it would run well and I have decent expectations for it.
My issue is if GE comes forced into that app.
All applications that know what they're doing do. For Nvidia not to be able to do it isn't all that strange. They just don't know what they're doing or purposely designing it like this. ElGato and Hauppauge do the same exact thing. Their software looks cute but is real glitchy. This exactly why 1st party is always the worst in a whole bunch of cases and why I don't want it and don't need it.
Not sure if I'm taking this out of context but when I leave it to just these snippets, it doesn't look good in my opinion. Just because someone is in a position to do something and they do it, it's a power move. Sometimes even if someone is in the position to do something, they shouldn't. This is how I see it right now.
So Geforce Experience can have the same stats and all that show up in your games just like Afterburner can? I'd like do see this so I can see if I like how it looks. Does it look so much like Afterburner+Rivatuner that I can't tell the difference or just nobody uses GE to do this?
Everything else is you loading up a game and setting those settings for the most part. I don't want any app touching that part of things, trying to optimize my game settings. That shouldn't even be a thing. It should be the user and the game settings, nothing in between.
Is that too much to ask, NVIDIA? Jeez.
Not sure what you mean though.
VSync and it's available options along with GSync as well as for quite a while now, settings for Background Max FPS and Primary Focused App Max FPS has been within Nvidia Control Panel for years now. It's very easy and quick to change any of those settings.
I know what people mean about the lag that can occur with changing the settings from there but it's not always like that. From my experiences that seems to be a bug with some driver releases and doesn't affect all of them and also it has seemed better if I DDu wipe every time and clean install each driver release that it puts a stop to the lag that occurs within NVCP.
I myself still prefer to control gpu fan curve and the OSD stuff via MSI AB + RTSS. However I ca see how those have been a PITA for some because it doesn't always get along with all games, especially DX12 titles. So if anything hopefully that will be a much needed and sought after improvement for NVIDIA GPU users in general
Sadly, it can't use RAM to record temporary files like AMD can.
Shows how out of touch these people are..
I'd never launch it at all if nVidia hadn't changed what double clicking the tray icon did by default without giving me the option to change it back, lol.