nVidia is unifying the nVidia control panel and GeForce Experience, akin to AMD's Adrenalin

[Illusion of Progress]

I saw that r.lindler posted a video and mentioned this in the GPU thread but I honestly thought it deserved its own thread.

nVidia is potentially going to be getting rid of their control panel and GeForce experience and replacing both with a combined "nVidia App". Bland name (if it's the final one?), but eh... it's probably more for "everything nVidia" and not just GeForce focused so I guess that's their thinking?

Here's the article from tome's Hardware on it[www.tomshardware.com], and a few select snippets.

Nvidia has slapped a fresh coat of paint on its software suite with a brand new utility called the 'Nvidia App' that unifies the ancient Nvidia Control Panel and newer GeForce Experience applications. The new app will merge all of Nvidia's outgoing applications into one unified interface for easier navigation. The app is available in beta form and can be downloaded now.

Currently, it doesn't replace the control panel, but the long-term goal does seem to be to do that.

For now, the Nvidia App feels familiar to anyone who has previously used GeForce Experience, and it offers access to many but not all of the features that are in the Control Panel. As a beta that you install separately from the core Nvidia drivers, obviously this isn't a full replacement in the present form.

What's the long-term plan? We asked Nvidia's Brian Burke, Global PR Principal. "We wanted to resolve user feedback on Nvidia Control Panel updates, and unify features from GeForce Experience into one single application. The Nvidia App beta is a first step in our journey to modernize and unify the Nvidia Control Panel, GeForce Experience, and RTX Experience apps into one application. Once we fully migrate features to the Nvidia App, we will end-of-life Nvidia Control Panel and GeForce Experience for GeForce customers."

I know many people on nVidia's side aren't fond of GeForce Experience, so I imagine some might be put off by this because of that alone. I never used it either when I use nVidia.

However, using Adrenalin has been a dream. I already knew nVidia's bare drivers were a bit aged but this showed me not just in look but in functionality are you missing out. No need for a handful of applications, like the control panel, GeForce Experience, Afterburner, OBS, and goodness knows what else to do basic things (metric monitoring, fan speed, recording, etc.) that Adrenalin does by itself, and without the need for a log in (Adrenalin has a log-in, but it's not mandatory for anything besides rewards as far as I can see), and as far as this reads, it will become the same for this new "nVidia App" where an account will remain but, hopefully, won't be mandatory for much of anything. If you just stuck to the control panel, you were missing out on so much (although if you don't desire/need that functionality, I guess it's another story).

What are nVidia user's thoughts on this? Don't want it? Anxious? Put off by change?

[Illusion of Progress]

r.linder původně napsal:

Illusion of Progress původně napsal:

So AMD allows the choice between a "driver only" and a "driver plus Adrenalin" configuration. The former is even more barebones than nVidia's drivers, as you get access to, well... nothing.

NVIDIA will probably do things similarly, with the default being NV App as well as a "legacy" version with just the old control panel

I thought of that too.

The intent seems to be to retire the legacy control panel though, since this isn't just being positioned as a GeForce Experience replacement.

Time will tell. Whether nVidia also allows a "driver only" route remains to be seen, but if it's truly drivers only and the control panel goes away, you'd lose access to all of the stuff the control panel currently allows.

[lsdninja]

The XP-tastic nVidia control panel needed to have died a decade ago.

[Obsessive Power]

I'm liking it so far. The RTX HDR was the biggest draw for me to test it out. It's a lot, lot quicker than the old NVCP.

Didn't like it auto 'optimising' some of my games though.

[plat]

Illusion of Progress původně napsal:

Time will tell. Whether nVidia also allows a "driver only" route remains to be seen, but if it's truly drivers only and the control panel goes away, you'd lose access to all of the stuff the control panel currently allows.

Yes, that's what concerned me, that some of us have to tolerate a blob of third party software in order to very occasionally access the control panel settings, and in my case, just one setting every few months.

Hopefully, the developers take all things into consideration.

[lsdninja]

plat původně napsal:

Hopefully, the developers take all things into consideration.

It’s nVidia, do they really have to? It’s not like people are seriously going to stop buying their stuff over this.

[Illusion of Progress]

plat původně napsal:

Yes, that's what concerned me, that some of us have to tolerate a blob of third party software in order to very occasionally access the control panel settings, and in my case, just one setting every few months.

It hasn't bothered me, but I'm speaking from experience of Adrenalin.

The nVidia App (and Adrenalin) isn't third party; it's first party. It will consolidate things to reduce the need of third party stuff. But if you like that third party stuff, you can still use it.

Having extra features and looking different doesn't mean it's some blob any more than the prior thing was. The control panel really needed some attention and its features were nonexistent. This was hurting nVidia. Imagine having things like video encoding capability that your own drivers don't even let your own customers use. GeForce Experience did, but... that didn't pan over as well and many nVidia customers outright rejected it.

nVidia needed to do this, and if they do it well (if the nVidia App doesn't have issues [auto optimizing games definitely needs to be addressed if it's happening], and doesn't end up trying to force accounts down the line), then it will be an improvement.

If one truly goes into the control panel so sparingly, it won't be a difference. *thing that's there looks different and can do more* isn't a bad thing.

But again, maybe I'm jumping ahead of things based on how my opinion changed after trying Adrenalin.

[The_Abortionator]

kitty původně napsal:

The_Abortionator původně napsal:

Nvidia doesn't perform "twice as fast" against AMD as some sort of holy rule. Maybe see how they stack up in the 4070 and lower?

https://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/4070-vs-7800xt-1440p-rt.jpg?fit=720%2C720&p=1

https://pokde.net/assets/uploads/2023/09/7800xt-bench_16120_image002.png

Huh, not twice the performance. not even close.

Get a reality check.

Please link us to the article where you found those images from. Posting screenshots or graph images with no context does not prove or disprove anything. We must know what settings were used in the games (or not used), what other hardware was used in the system, etc. Those images you linked to prove nothing without the context surrounding them.

First off, the settings are LITERALLY IN THE IMAGES. Second, the context is bench marking.

How you didn't know that is beyond me.

Third, learn how to reverse image search.

And fourth no extra info provided will magically lower AMD cards performance. Deal with it.

[The_Abortionator]

kitty původně napsal:

C1REX původně napsal:

Come on, man. Many AMD GPUs offer better raster performance within the same price range. The 7800XT has the same MSRP as 4060TI 16GB and is slightly faster than the 4070. In my region, the 7900XTX was priced almost the same as the 4070Ti at one point, while offering about 30% more raster performance. The 6700XT 12GB remains the best value at around $330.

Unless you were talking about the 4090, then yes - if you want the best, you buy the NVIDIA 4090.

Unfortunately the software is often what dictates if someone wants to use a product or not. It's not all about the hardware or how good it is. One example: The AMD control panel by default loads in ads from the internet and makes us see ads just to configure the AMD video cards. Sure we can disable it but come on.. ads.. in the control panel? No one wants that crap.

Lol, literally what Nvidia does with GFE and their installers.

[The_Abortionator]

r.linder původně napsal:

Funny how the thread about NVIDIA finally changing their basic control panel design after basically several decades of it being mostly the same immediately descends into chaos as different individuals with their own preferred flavours of silicon point fingers at each other.

The changes won't affect me at all because I don't use Windows anymore and don't plan to ever again, and depending on where NVIDIA goes with their drivers on Linux, the RTX 3080, 3060 Ti, and GT 1030 could be the last NVIDIA GPUs I'll personally work with, as AMD has much better support on Linux at this point in time. Things like Wayland are much more of a chore with NVIDIA assuming it'll even work at all with your particular distribution (forcing you to basically stick to X11), only AMD GPUs have any support at all for HDR (at least as far as Arch Linux goes), more driver options for AMD, etc.

But for those who prefer to use Windows, this could be a very positive change as GFE was garbage, and the control panel could use a reboot to a similar level of utility that Adrenalin offers its users. No more need for MSI Afterburner and RTSS would be a benefit, and the entire thing would be more streamlined. Yes, the current panel works fine, but you can't keep things the same way forever, eventually you have to take a step forward.

I don't really get why it turned into such an awkward rage inducer for people.

I dropped both Nvidia and Windows in feb 2022 but if I still used them I'd want this change.

Having 4~5 programs to use my cards features is stupid. not to mention the control panels lag was annoying.

[The_Abortionator]

Wynters původně napsal:

AMD Adrenaline is broken…

It works just fine. Infact better which is why Nvidia is making the change.

[C1REX]

I’m surprised how many people complain about such a good change.
Nvidia’s control panel is so bad and so old. It’s kind of funny how they allowed such a bad software to be like that for like 20 years.

NVidia experience was so bad that most people were willingly not installing it and were missing out on cool features.

[emoticorpse]

I have to say, I really don't know what the problem with Control Panel is apart from it feeling a bit bloated and laggy. Of course, I hardly ever use it.

I think I see a lot of people basing this change as needed because of Geforce Experience which doesn't make sense to me. Seems more like a problem with Geforce Experience if that's the case.

Either way I don't really care or mind as long as nothing changes too much for me, I just don't like the idea that it's being defended even if on a lesser degree because of issues with another application itself.

Not sure if I'm missing something here.

[C1REX]

emoticorpse původně napsal:

I have to say, I really don't know what the problem with Control Panel is apart from it feeling a bit bloated and laggy. Of course, I hardly ever use it.

I think I see a lot of people basing this change as needed because of Geforce Experience which doesn't make sense to me. Seems more like a problem with Geforce Experience if that's the case.

Either way I don't really care or mind as long as nothing changes too much for me, I just don't like the idea that it's being defended even if on a lesser degree because of issues with another application itself.

Not sure if I'm missing something here.

The problem is exactly as described.
Control panel is too heavy while looking the same as on Windows 98. It’s also lacking features.

The new software will be lighter than the CP while having all the features from the “Experience” and no login.

There are just benefits and no drawbacks from the new control panel.

[emoticorpse]

C1REX původně napsal:

emoticorpse původně napsal:

I have to say, I really don't know what the problem with Control Panel is apart from it feeling a bit bloated and laggy. Of course, I hardly ever use it.

I think I see a lot of people basing this change as needed because of Geforce Experience which doesn't make sense to me. Seems more like a problem with Geforce Experience if that's the case.

Either way I don't really care or mind as long as nothing changes too much for me, I just don't like the idea that it's being defended even if on a lesser degree because of issues with another application itself.

Not sure if I'm missing something here.

The problem is exactly as described.
Control panel is too heavy while looking the same as on Windows 98. It’s also lacking features.

The new software will be lighter than the CP while having all the features from the “Experience” and no login.

There are just benefits and no drawbacks from the new control panel.

So now I'm going to have Geforce Experience now with this change?

[C1REX]

emoticorpse původně napsal:

You can test it out yourself

https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/news/nvidia-app-beta-download/

People complain like it’s combining the worst parts of both apps when it takes the best of the two and make the new control panel better in every way.