Are consoles unintentionally nerfed?

[Iggy Wolf]

Seems like both the PS5 and Xbox Series X should be easily capable of 1080P at MAX settings at 60 FPS. But the advertising and marketing is so focused on "4K, 120 FPS" that it completely ignores the other aspects of graphics and resolutions so that people are misled into thinking they're getting better graphics/performance than what the consoles are actually capable of. Let's be honest, NEITHER the PS5 nor Xbox Series X is actually capable of native 4K at 120 FPS.

That 4K is at BEST upscaled, and at worst, checkerboarded or doesn't even actually manage 4K. At least, not without the same little tricks that Nvidia does to achieve raytracing at 4K with DLSS. And 120 FPS MIGHT be achievable, but certainly NOT at 4K. In fact, I wonder how most of these publishers/developers and Sony/Microsoft do their "Fidelity/Performance Mode" options. Is performance mode "1080P at 60 FPS with max settings" while Fidelity Mode is "4K, 120 FPS with but lower settings and upscaling"?

In which case, I'd say performance mode is the better option because at least it's native and has the actual graphics maxed out. Honestly, I wanna say that if a person truly cares about graphics (especially at 4K) and framerate that much, that'd be better off with a PC. It's not even bragging. The consoles were always accepted as being less graphically impressive in order to deliver more stable and consistent performance at an acceptable level of fidelity.

Nvidia will never let the console manufacturers use their cards in new consoles, and AMD has yet to catch up with Nvidia in the raytracing department. Meanwhile, the current "software raytracing" on consoles means that the focus will always be more on rasterization. I WANT the consoles to be more comparable to modern day PCs, but I just can't see them shoving enough powerful hardware in there without either increasing the price and size of the consoles, or instead limiting themselves to current rasterization and software raytracing in order to instead deliver acceptable fidelity at a lower price point and better performance. What do you guys think?

[nullable]

Originally posted by A&A:

Like a PS4 aged well... It might have 8 cores but it runs Cyberpunk so bad, it got pulled from the store. It is the same story with the dual-core processors that were popular at the time, but the difference is if the user had Pentium, he can get a cheap i5 or i7 for 50$ and will get similar performance to i3 10100F, which is fine.

Cyberpunk is a questionable example, it's not like Cyberpunk wasn't a mess on release across the board. I don't think the issues with Cyberpunk is a PS4 problem per se.

And I think you're overthinking the point: generally the PS4 can run PS4 games fine. Better than a 7 year old low-mid level level PC can run recent PC games. The platforms evolve and age differently which is why barfing out a parts list and pretending like the cost is equivalent and ignoring the asterisks is a mistake.

Originally posted by A&A:

Hmmm, where have I heard all this crap before?

OS, Linux is an option, cheap win 10 keys are available, not saying you can still install it without one. Maybe you will be asking where is the USB drive? We don't live in a cave, do we?

Obviously for such price periehals shouldn't be expensive. Get a descent mouse and cheap keyboard. 20$ for the both is fine.

Ok, the PC is 10% more expensive than the console. What else will you be looking at comparing the console to the PC. I can compare them like this too. 16 vs. 24GB (overall) RAM, 900GB vs. 650GB free storage, upgradeable vs. not upgradeable.

Your lazy or dishonest omissions to artificially lower the price isn't my fault. Be petulant and dismissive if you want. If you leave ~$140 worth of components and costs out and I mention that, it's not a me problem, it's a you problem.

[A&A]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

10% ???
A half decent PC is at least 1400-1500+

But again a PC also does a hell of alot more then just run a couple games.

I understand your preferences, I also think the price of a decent computer is higher, but this is a comparison between PS5 and PC in 500$ range.

[_I_]

10 years ago, you could build a good gaming pc for ~$500-600usd
not anymore, entry level is closer to $1000

[A&A]

Originally posted by nullable:

Cyberpunk is a questionable example, it's not like Cyberpunk wasn't a mess on release across the board. I don't think the issues with Cyberpunk is a PS4 problem per se.

And I think you're overthinking the point: generally the PS4 can run PS4 games fine. Better than a 7 year old low-mid level level PC can run recent PC games. The platforms evolve and age differently which is why barfing out a parts list and pretending like the cost is equivalent and ignoring the asterisks is a mistake.

If it wasn't the PS5's fault then who's fault while the game was using all the hardware. I know it was terrible at release, but it doesn't justify them.

Platforms may age differently, well I was amazed how GTA5 ran on PS3 but if you have to do comparisons with the PC version you realize how much it's simplified. The same thing is with PS4.

Originally posted by nullable:

Your lazy or dishonest omissions to artificially lower the price isn't my fault. Be petulant and dismissive if you want. If you leave ~$140 worth of components and costs out and I mention that, it's not a me problem, it's a you problem.

I don't know where you got those $140 "components" from. If you can list them, I might agree. Still, for me, the computer is cheaper and better option.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by _I_:

10 years ago, you could build a good gaming pc for ~$500-600usd
not anymore, entry level is closer to $1000

You still can, it's just not going to beat console unless you get really lucky and find absolute steals

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fjXdwg

[CaptObvious75]

Have a 7900xt PC and a PS5. Love them both.

Consoles are locked down boxes so they have their pros and cons and obviously compromises. This gen is the first to have legit 120fps modes, so while there are tradeoffs, this is the best it has been since probably the Ps2 days.

Some games do run native 4k 60fps. Hell, there is even an 8k game.

[ParabolaWaVe]

Consoles were pretty nice to have fifteen years ago, around the time of the PS3 and Xbox 360. PC rigs were unstable, prone to crashes because of video card overheating and plenty of bugs in the Windows code. Consoles got rid of both problems, they ran stable with no Windows, and they had another advantage over PC: they lasted for a very long time before getting obsolete. PCs could run games perfectly for maybe a year or two, but after that, the performance drop from the newest releases was very steep. Consoles gave developers a fixed spec to work with.

Now, I feel that consoles have been stripped of their old advantages. PCs and videocards nowadays can be extremely stable (using Linux + AMD card, not a single gaming crash ever). Your setup is going to last for many more years, because games don't increase as much their system requirements anymore. On top of that, Steam itself is a great console style launcher, with its own menu driven interface designed for controller input. Not to mention it allows you to play anywhere and with several devices thanks to remote play.

[spicy little monkey]

Originally posted by ParabolaWaVe:

Now, I feel that consoles have been stripped of their old advantages. PCs and videocards nowadays can be extremely stable (using Linux + AMD card, not a single gaming crash ever). Your setup is going to last for many more years, because games don't increase as much their system requirements anymore. On top of that, Steam itself is a great console style launcher, with its own menu driven interface designed for controller input. Not to mention it allows you to play anywhere and with several devices thanks to remote play.

You're forced to have an Internet connection to get PC games. Disc copies don't exist anymore. Data caps and Internet speed become a problem.

PS5 loads games much faster than a high end PC. PCs have to deal with longer load times, shader compilation stutter, etc. Game crashes can still happen. Robocop UE5 doesn't run that great. And I have a high end PC. No faulty parts, no instability, yet Robocop crashed.

When PCs work, they're great. When PCs have problems, it's annoying.

[Karumati]

Originally posted by SuKI:

Originally posted by ParabolaWaVe:

Now, I feel that consoles have been stripped of their old advantages. PCs and videocards nowadays can be extremely stable (using Linux + AMD card, not a single gaming crash ever). Your setup is going to last for many more years, because games don't increase as much their system requirements anymore. On top of that, Steam itself is a great console style launcher, with its own menu driven interface designed for controller input. Not to mention it allows you to play anywhere and with several devices thanks to remote play.

You're forced to have an Internet connection to get PC games. Disc copies don't exist anymore. Data caps and Internet speed become a problem.

PS5 loads games much faster than a high end PC. PCs have to deal with longer load times, shader compilation stutter, etc. Game crashes can still happen. Robocop UE5 doesn't run that great. And I have a high end PC. No faulty parts, no instability, yet Robocop crashed.

When PCs work, they're great. When PCs have problems, it's annoying.

most games work great on pc.
and definitely better than on consoles.

[spicy little monkey]

Originally posted by Karumati:

most games work great on pc.
and definitely better than on consoles.

Not loading / load screens*

Even with a high end system

[Guydodge]

Originally posted by SuKI:

Originally posted by ParabolaWaVe:

Now, I feel that consoles have been stripped of their old advantages. PCs and videocards nowadays can be extremely stable (using Linux + AMD card, not a single gaming crash ever). Your setup is going to last for many more years, because games don't increase as much their system requirements anymore. On top of that, Steam itself is a great console style launcher, with its own menu driven interface designed for controller input. Not to mention it allows you to play anywhere and with several devices thanks to remote play.

You're forced to have an Internet connection to get PC games. Disc copies don't exist anymore. Data caps and Internet speed become a problem.

PS5 loads games much faster than a high end PC. PCs have to deal with longer load times, shader compilation stutter, etc. Game crashes can still happen. Robocop UE5 doesn't run that great. And I have a high end PC. No faulty parts, no instability, yet Robocop crashed.

When PCs work, they're great. When PCs have problems, it's annoying.

if your having all those problems with your pc stop buying AMD they are unstable.

[Guydodge]

Originally posted by SuKI:

Originally posted by Karumati:

most games work great on pc.
and definitely better than on consoles.

Not loading / load screens*

Even with a high end system

bull i'll be in game while you wait for that slug to fire up.i owned a PS5 sell stupid some where else

[spicy little monkey]

Originally posted by Guydodge:

Originally posted by SuKI:

You're forced to have an Internet connection to get PC games. Disc copies don't exist anymore. Data caps and Internet speed become a problem.

PS5 loads games much faster than a high end PC. PCs have to deal with longer load times, shader compilation stutter, etc. Game crashes can still happen. Robocop UE5 doesn't run that great. And I have a high end PC. No faulty parts, no instability, yet Robocop crashed.

When PCs work, they're great. When PCs have problems, it's annoying.

if your having all those problems with your pc stop buying AMD they are unstable.

HAHAHAHAHA

I had problems in 1 game.

One.

A game where numerous people with Intel systems report having issues too.

In every single other game, no issues.
AMD isn't unstable. You're spouting rubbish.

[Guydodge]

Originally posted by SuKI:

Originally posted by Guydodge:

if your having all those problems with your pc stop buying AMD they are unstable.

HAHAHAHAHA

I had problems in 1 game.

One.

A game where numerous people with Intel systems report having issues too.

In every single other game, no issues.
AMD isn't unstable. You're spouting rubbish.

off course i am it runs like a champ im sure

[spicy little monkey]

Originally posted by Guydodge:

Originally posted by SuKI:

HAHAHAHAHA

I had problems in 1 game.

One.

A game where numerous people with Intel systems report having issues too.

In every single other game, no issues.
AMD isn't unstable. You're spouting rubbish.

off course i am it runs like a champ im sure

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