Are consoles unintentionally nerfed?

[Iggy Wolf]

Seems like both the PS5 and Xbox Series X should be easily capable of 1080P at MAX settings at 60 FPS. But the advertising and marketing is so focused on "4K, 120 FPS" that it completely ignores the other aspects of graphics and resolutions so that people are misled into thinking they're getting better graphics/performance than what the consoles are actually capable of. Let's be honest, NEITHER the PS5 nor Xbox Series X is actually capable of native 4K at 120 FPS.

That 4K is at BEST upscaled, and at worst, checkerboarded or doesn't even actually manage 4K. At least, not without the same little tricks that Nvidia does to achieve raytracing at 4K with DLSS. And 120 FPS MIGHT be achievable, but certainly NOT at 4K. In fact, I wonder how most of these publishers/developers and Sony/Microsoft do their "Fidelity/Performance Mode" options. Is performance mode "1080P at 60 FPS with max settings" while Fidelity Mode is "4K, 120 FPS with but lower settings and upscaling"?

In which case, I'd say performance mode is the better option because at least it's native and has the actual graphics maxed out. Honestly, I wanna say that if a person truly cares about graphics (especially at 4K) and framerate that much, that'd be better off with a PC. It's not even bragging. The consoles were always accepted as being less graphically impressive in order to deliver more stable and consistent performance at an acceptable level of fidelity.

Nvidia will never let the console manufacturers use their cards in new consoles, and AMD has yet to catch up with Nvidia in the raytracing department. Meanwhile, the current "software raytracing" on consoles means that the focus will always be more on rasterization. I WANT the consoles to be more comparable to modern day PCs, but I just can't see them shoving enough powerful hardware in there without either increasing the price and size of the consoles, or instead limiting themselves to current rasterization and software raytracing in order to instead deliver acceptable fidelity at a lower price point and better performance. What do you guys think?

[C1REX]

Originalmente postado por Cadillac V-Series.R LMDh 5.5L V8:

Not everyone needs an RTX 3080 Ti Super XTX OC and Intel i9 69420x3D to enjoy pc gaming

Sure but you need a context.
You actually do need a decent PC to comfortably enjoy the newest AAA games like Alan Wake 2, Avatar, Lords of the Fallen and future ps5 games that will come out in the next 4 years.

[A&A]

Originalmente postado por nullable:

It doesn't need to cost an arm and a leg. But let's not pretend a $500 PC is some monster gaming rig that puts consoles to shame either. And chances are if you build the machine you want with all new hardware, it's going to cost closer to double the price of a console even not going for i9's and 4080's.

What is inside PS5...
The PS 5 uses components similar to the Ryzen 7 4700G and RX6700, but their clock speeds are lowered by a considerable percentage.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ftJgN6
5% more expensive than the console, but "can match".

[nullable]

Originalmente postado por A&A:

Originalmente postado por nullable:

It doesn't need to cost an arm and a leg. But let's not pretend a $500 PC is some monster gaming rig that puts consoles to shame either. And chances are if you build the machine you want with all new hardware, it's going to cost closer to double the price of a console even not going for i9's and 4080's.

What is inside PS5...
The PS 5 uses components similar to the Ryzen 7 4700G and RX6700, but their clock speeds are lowered by a considerable percentage.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ftJgN6
5% more expensive than the console, but "can match".

Well you're missing input devices, and an OS. So... those don't count all of a sudden? The PS5 has them.

And is your claim you're going to use that system with no keyboard, mouse, controller or OS. As is without any hardware upgrades until the PS6 comes out? Well that's probably gonna suck.

Here's what I mean. If you built a PC equivalent to an original recipe PS4 back in 2013, never upgraded it, how good is that PC in 2020 for PC gaming? Because my bet is it hasn't aged as well as the console has. Which is why barfing out a parts list of hardware and pretending like $525 out the door has you set for six or seven years is weapons grade bolognium.

[A&A]

Originalmente postado por nullable:

Well you're missing input devices, and an OS. So... those don't count all of a sudden? The PS5 has them.

And is your claim you're going to use that system with no keyboard, mouse, controller or OS. As is without any hardware upgrades until the PS6 comes out? Well that's probably gonna suck.

Hmmm, where have I heard all this crap before?

OS, Linux is an option, cheap win 10 keys are available, not saying you can still install it without one. Maybe you will be asking where is the USB drive? We don't live in a cave, do we?

Obviously for such price periehals shouldn't be expensive. Get a descent mouse and cheap keyboard. 20$ for the both is fine.

Ok, the PC is 10% more expensive than the console. What else will you be looking at comparing the console to the PC. I can compare them like this too. 16 vs. 24GB (overall) RAM, 900GB vs. 650GB free storage, upgradeable vs. not upgradeable.

Originalmente postado por nullable:

Here's what I mean. If you built a PC equivalent to an original recipe PS4 back in 2013, never upgraded it, how good is that PC in 2020 for PC gaming? Because my bet is it hasn't aged as well as the console has. Which is why barfing out a parts list of hardware and pretending like $525 out the door has you set for six or seven years is weapons grade bolognium.

Like a PS4 aged well... It might have 8 cores but it runs Cyberpunk so bad, it got pulled from the store. It is the same story with the dual-core processors that were popular at the time, but the difference is if the user had Pentium, he can get a cheap i5 or i7 for 50$ and will get similar performance to i3 10100F, which is fine.

[spicy little monkey]

Come on guys. These discussions got old 10 years ago. You can't directly compare them.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originalmente postado por A&A:

Originalmente postado por nullable:

Well you're missing input devices, and an OS. So... those don't count all of a sudden? The PS5 has them.

And is your claim you're going to use that system with no keyboard, mouse, controller or OS. As is without any hardware upgrades until the PS6 comes out? Well that's probably gonna suck.

Hmmm, where have I heard all this crap before?

OS, Linux is an option, cheap win 10 keys are available, not saying you can still install it without one. Maybe you will be asking where is the USB drive? We don't live in a cave, do we?

Obviously for such price periehals shouldn't be expensive. Get a descent mouse and cheap keyboard. 20$ for the both is fine.

Ok, the PC is 10% more expensive than the console. What else will you be looking at comparing the console to the PC. I can compare them like this too. 16 vs. 24GB (overall) RAM, 900GB vs. 650GB free storage, upgradeable vs. not upgradeable.

Originalmente postado por nullable:

Here's what I mean. If you built a PC equivalent to an original recipe PS4 back in 2013, never upgraded it, how good is that PC in 2020 for PC gaming? Because my bet is it hasn't aged as well as the console has. Which is why barfing out a parts list of hardware and pretending like $525 out the door has you set for six or seven years is weapons grade bolognium.

Like a PS4 aged well... It might have 8 cores but it runs Cyberpunk so bad, it got pulled from the store. It is the same story with the dual-core processors that were popular at the time, but the difference is if the user had Pentium, he can get a cheap i5 or i7 for 50$ and will get similar performance to i3 10100F, which is fine.

10% ???
A half decent PC is at least 1400-1500+

But again a PC also does a hell of alot more then just run a couple games.

[オナニー]

Originalmente postado por Bad 💀 Motha:

Originalmente postado por A&A:

Hmmm, where have I heard all this crap before?

OS, Linux is an option, cheap win 10 keys are available, not saying you can still install it without one. Maybe you will be asking where is the USB drive? We don't live in a cave, do we?

Obviously for such price periehals shouldn't be expensive. Get a descent mouse and cheap keyboard. 20$ for the both is fine.

Ok, the PC is 10% more expensive than the console. What else will you be looking at comparing the console to the PC. I can compare them like this too. 16 vs. 24GB (overall) RAM, 900GB vs. 650GB free storage, upgradeable vs. not upgradeable.


Like a PS4 aged well... It might have 8 cores but it runs Cyberpunk so bad, it got pulled from the store. It is the same story with the dual-core processors that were popular at the time, but the difference is if the user had Pentium, he can get a cheap i5 or i7 for 50$ and will get similar performance to i3 10100F, which is fine.

10% ???
A half decent PC is at least 1400-1500+

But again a PC also does a hell of alot more then just run a couple games.

On PC, you can have hardware that came out during the same era as a PS4 and still run games releasing in PS5 era. That, and I dont have to pay for an unnecessary stupid subscription to play online.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Don't have to convince me, I know first hand. I only bothered with a PS3 for RDR1 and GTAV. Then when I saw how terrible GTAV was on it, still after around Fan 2014 (had the game since release, Sep 2013) I sold the console. We mainly used that for Media Playback/Streaming in the living room anyways. Only reason I grabbed a PS4 was because of Ghost of Tsushima, TheDivision2 and RDR2. But I knew I'd end up moving over to RDR2 on PC, with mod potential and all that. RDR2 was OK on PS4, but only reason I thought it was good was cause I had a PS4-PRO w/ 2TB SSD. Was definitely a better experience then an older PS4 w/ HDD trying to play on a 4K TV. Not to mention how ridiculously slow the older PS4 was to download a 120GB game to a slow HDD.

[MancSoulja]

Originalmente postado por Cadillac V-Series.R LMDh 5.5L V8:

Originalmente postado por Bad 💀 Motha:

10% ???
A half decent PC is at least 1400-1500+

But again a PC also does a hell of alot more then just run a couple games.

On PC, you can have hardware that came out during the same era as a PS4 and still run games releasing in PS5 era. That, and I dont have to pay for an unnecessary stupid subscription to play online.

This was a mid-range GPU in 2013 when the PS4 released....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OZLPqrzsq4

[Electric Cupcake]

Not at all.

It's EXTREMELY intentional.

[spicy little monkey]

Originalmente postado por Electric Cupcake:

Not at all.

It's EXTREMELY intentional.

Your comment makes zero sense at all

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originalmente postado por waffleciocc:

Originalmente postado por Electric Cupcake:

Not at all.

It's EXTREMELY intentional.

Your comment makes zero sense at all

As a reply to:

Are consoles unintentionally nerfed?

He's right. It IS intentional. They do it on purpose to make way for future consoles. Such as PS5 PRO for example. And the console claims are mostly BS, cause it's all fake upscaling.

[spicy little monkey]

Anything written by "Bad Motha" is not worth replying to.

[C1REX]

The idea that a $400 console that was running games often better than a $1600 PC few years ago is somehow artificially limited is ridiculous.

Sony and Microsoft sell them at a cost just to get people into their ecosystem and subscription services.

[Iggy Wolf]

I personally have an Xbox One S, an Xbox 360, and a gaming PC. I was always an Xbox guy, but also had a gaming PC to boot. I only had the Xbox while Microsoft was still releasing Xbox exclusives. I liked Halo, Gears of War, and Forza Horizon. But these days, my Xbox One S sits collecting dust, not least of which due to the fact that they're no longer really supporting the old consoles, and mostly focus on the Series X and PS5. My Xboxes still work but obviously only for old Xbox original, Xbox 360, and Xbox One titles.

If there's any consoles that still have greater value, it would be my dad's old consoles in the basement. He managed to actually find and buy a working PS1 (the one that doubled as a good CD player), PS2 (Fat version), and a black Elite Xbox 360. Hell, he even got a working Sega Genesis. There's obviously some games that ONLY work for the old PS1 and PS2.

But I consider them to also have nostalgic value. I don't feel like the new consoles would give that same feeling. Especially since they're more "glorified PCs" these days than actual explicit consoles. In a way, I feel like the old consoles lesser focus on graphics and more on gameplay made people enjoy them more and think of them more fondly. I mean, hell, to this day, the PS2 still remains as one of THE most sold consoles in general console history.