N00B 2024 年 5 月 16 日 下午 1:39
Laptop Runs poorly after reset (Solved)
I got a very good PC recently but still have my old lappy. I had the laptop factory reset at a hardware store because it would always fail to do so when I tried to factory reset it myself. It was reset, but now it runs worse than it did before.
Admittedly, its not a powerhouse.
It has an i7-6820HQ CPU, a Nvidia Quadro M1000M GPU and 32 GB Ram.
I thought it was a driver issue. Prior to the reset, it could run Titanfall 2 at 80 fps minimum. Now, it can't even run Half Life 2 at above 37 fps.

Its a Lenovo Thinkpad P50 with an i7-6280HQ CPU, a Quadro M1000M GPU, 32 GB ram.
The drivers for the GPU have been updated. Advanced system settings, nvidia control panel and power plan have been optimized to maximum performance.
Game Mode is off.
CPU and GPU are also only reaching 50% to 60% usage when Half Life 2 is stuck at about 30-40 fps with uncapped fps.

Thank you kindly in advance for answering my call for help.
I may not respond immediately as I work an 8 hour-a-day job with inconsistent schedules and only have 1/3 of the day to respond.

Edit: Title has been changed and more information has been added in the original post.
最後修改者:N00B; 2024 年 5 月 23 日 上午 10:59
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nullable 2024 年 5 月 16 日 下午 2:08 
Well offhand the abysmal games performance might suggest the PC is using the IGP in games and not the Quadro. So the question there is, does the system actually see the card, do you have the right drivers installed? Is the switching over to the Quadro when GPU demand increases?

As for the RAM, can the system see all 32GB? If it can, you shouldn't need to fuss with trying to make the system use more, trying to force it via configuration is a fool's errand.

But you could always run something like https://www.memtest86.com/ just to confirm everything checks out.
_I_ 2024 年 5 月 16 日 下午 2:10 
laptop with workstation gpu?

id reset bios to defaults
and check msconfig, make sure ram limit is not ticked
xSOSxHawkens 2024 年 5 月 16 日 下午 2:25 
引用自 _I_
laptop with workstation gpu?

Yeh, they are pretty common. I have Quadro equipped laptops from Core2, Sandy Bridge and Haswell.


引用自 NOOB
For some reason, of the 32 GB of ram, only 6 GB were used.

Use steams "Artwork" feature and upload some screen pics for us to see what you are talking about. 6GB doesnt make much sense. If it were somehow limited to 3.xxGB I might think 32bit OS, but 6 would mean 64bit and anything 64 bit should see 32 as easy as 6.
最後修改者:xSOSxHawkens; 2024 年 5 月 16 日 下午 2:30
Iron Knights 2024 年 5 月 16 日 下午 5:12 
A reset may have included a BIOS reset, which means you need to go into Bios and disable the INTEL HD GRAPHICS 530 that is built into your CPU. Otherwise, windows will ignore your GPU & Power settings and utilize the Intel instead of the Nvidia.
Along a Bios & OS reset you might have lost the power & "green" settings, disable all power savers if you are to use this as a gamer PC.
Set your fans' curve to go 100% at 60C so you cut down heat early. Do utilize a large fan base dock system for cooling.
You don't need your screen set higher than 144hz, set drivers to 144FPS cap and replace v-sync in drivers with Fast Sync. Turn off DLSS & use Anti-aliasing and Ansiotropic Filters.
_I_ 2024 年 5 月 16 日 下午 6:24 
no, the intel hd cannot be disabled on the igpu on laptops
that is the only gpu attached to the display, the dedicated gpu has no video outputs

the dedicated gpu writes to the intel hd frame buffer for that to display

power settings and fan curves have nothing to do with available system ram
same with any of the other settings you suggest
Iron Knights 2024 年 5 月 16 日 下午 6:38 
Any which way but lose, here is how to disable your iGPU: https://www.cgdirector.com/how-to-disable-integrated-graphics-igpu/
Iron Knights 2024 年 5 月 16 日 下午 6:40 
HL-2 may not need more than 6gb of Ram, be happy, disable virtual ram, at 32gb you can run anything in Ram and not trash your SSD or make the system crashy (file corruption).
_I_ 2024 年 5 月 16 日 下午 6:42 
引用自 Iron Knights
Any which way but lose, here is how to disable your iGPU: https://www.cgdirector.com/how-to-disable-integrated-graphics-igpu/
that is for desktops, not for laptops

laptops with dedicated gpu, the dedicated gpu has no outputs

but there are only a few laptops with intel 'f' cpu that only have the dedicated gpu no igpu

if he is using a ram/virtual drive, (system ram as ssd) windows will still show all system ram, and the ram in use by the ram/virtual drive software
最後修改者:_I_; 2024 年 5 月 16 日 下午 6:45
Illusion of Progress 2024 年 5 月 17 日 上午 12:17 
引用自 Iron Knights
be happy, disable virtual ram, at 32gb you can run anything in Ram and not trash your SSD or make the system crashy (file corruption).
I wouldn't follow this advise.

The page file itself won't make your system crash. This seems like fear mongering. To the contrary, the page file prevents crashing in cases where a lack of a page file would result in a crash. Yes, files can become corrupted for one reason or another. That applies to anything. And guess what, it happens with or without the page file. Removing necessary or beneficial things because "they can get corrupted" is about as weak of a reason as I've ever heard.

As for "thrashing", you ironically may have more of that with it disabled.

Disabling the page file also may prevent you from using all of your RAM (or "running out of memory with memory available") due to the fact that your commit charge (due to allocation overhead) almost always outpaces actual memory use (and sometimes by more than you'd think). The commit limit is always the sum of your physical RAM capacity and page file size. So with a disabled page file, your commit limit is merely your RAM capacity. And since we established that overhead exists... well, it's seems there's good reason to have some sort of virtual room for overhead for that purpose. With a (system managed) page file, your system is in an "adaptable" mode and will be able to increase this limit if it needs to as well. But it won't set or use it unless it needs to.
[☥] - CJ - 2024 年 5 月 17 日 上午 3:39 
Assuming its been properly REFORMATTED and not simply "Reset"

Power Plan is one thing to check, High Performance plan should be used when on AC Power.

Make sure the correct NVIDIA driver is installed and not simply relying on the driver Win Update installed, in which case id DDU and manually install the latest driver.

Showing us a screenshot of what the Task Manager says about your RAM config may be helpful.
A&A 2024 年 5 月 17 日 上午 8:39 
If the laptop has a MUX switch, it should turn it off by itself. When it comes to page file, setting it to 2-4GB is probably fine.

What Resource monitor reports?
Illusion of Progress 2024 年 5 月 17 日 上午 9:24 
引用自 A&A
If the laptop has a MUX switch, it should turn it off by itself. When it comes to page file, setting it to 2-4GB is probably fine.
Yikes, no. I love most of your advice, but that's very low.

The problem with "probably" here is that we're talking about system stability which can result in data loss if it goes wrong. Now that might only apply to unsaved data in the current user session and not data already saved on disk, but still, it's potential data loss that may or may not be a big deal. I'm not sure about others, but something like that is absolutely not something I find acceptable to be giving guessing advice about.

Why even guess when system managed adjusts it according the workload needs? This is what I don't get. System managed takes the guesswork out of it. It will adapt to your needs.

I don't understand why people absolutely refuse to let go of this particular placebo habit simply because they've convinced themselves it's an optimization, and it's wild. It's been decades, and in that time, there's been no data to back up that changing this brings tangible performance benefit. The ones that tried, guess what, they failed. They are margin of error every time. But we have tons of examples of the opposite; of what can happen when your commit limit is hit unexpectedly.

The other settings the OP changed (maximum memory and core count) are even worse examples. There is zero reason to change any of these to begin with unless you need to limit them. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone upgrade a CPU and didn't have access to all their cores/threads, or the same for RAM, and it's because.... they apparently manually defined those values once upon a time? Why?
A&A 2024 年 5 月 17 日 上午 10:57 
Yikes, no. I love most of your advice, but that's very low.

The problem with "probably" here is that we're talking about system stability which can result in data loss if it goes wrong. Now that might only apply to unsaved data in the current user session and not data already saved on disk, but still, it's potential data loss that may or may not be a big deal. I'm not sure about others, but something like that is absolutely not something I find acceptable to be giving guessing advice about...
-Stability, true RAM is less reliable than SSD, so it is not recommended to run an OS without a page file. Is it fatal? No. Better have it than sorry in some cases.
-The second option is system managed adjustments, which finds the balance between the availability of free storage space and the page file requirement. It is fine.
-The third way is you can let the OS use a fixed amount. The thing is even if you allow 100GB, it will use as much as requires.

Is this a placebo habit? The only example I can think of is like looking at the differences between a mouse working at 1000Hz and 250Hz pooling rate on a computer with a CPU that has at least 4 cores with HT. The difference is very minimal. I can see it being useful for laptops where battery life is important and low power PCs where performance is an interest.

Is it too low? Possibly. But I also can't agree with the 1.5X of the total memory theory(?)

msconfig, I don't see any reason what a person would do there, unless entering safe mode or disabling services. Windows will always use all available cores and RAM.
最後修改者:A&A; 2024 年 5 月 17 日 上午 10:58
andreasaspenberg575 2024 年 5 月 17 日 下午 12:25 
disabling virtual memory is never a good idea. i know that from experience. in order to be able to utilise your entire ram pool, virtual memory needs to be on. different versions of windows have different ram limits. what is your windows version exactly?
N00B 2024 年 5 月 17 日 下午 1:28 
Okay, I'm gonna send a screenshot of what I mean, but I'd like to update the information before I continue:

-The GPU is active. In nvidia control panel and task manager, it is clearly visible as active. Drivers are also up to date and games are all set to utilize the gpu.

-Power Plan, advanced system settings and game mode have already been adjusted for max performance, as I already used those to maximise performance prior to the reset.

-The symptom is that a game like Hrot is running at only 9 fps despite its frame rate being uncapped and on task manager the ram usage is stuck at a flat 6 GB.
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