(Questions) What should I know before switching to Linux, if I decide to?
So, Windows is kind of collapsing right now, people complaining about requirements, bloat, spyware, etc, and I've been worrying about this for a few days now. What if Microsoft takes things a step too far with Windows, and pushes absolutely everyone away from it? I've seen lots of things recently. especially relating to Windows 11, and Windows 10's end of support. I've got a few questions I'd like to ask.

A) What about my NVIDIA GPU?

I've heard many people say stuff about NVIDIA not being very friendly with Linux, I still remember that iconic "NVIDIA, ♥♥♥♥ you!" from Linus Torvalds himself. Would there still be some decent compatibility, or would I have to get a new GPU? Are there members of the Linux community supporting

B) What about games and other programs?

Some games on Steam aren't compatible with Linux. I'm not too concerned about programs that I use, because they mostly have Linux support, but gaming is still a concern due to compatibiltiy issues. I know some games have workarounds and others don't.

C) What would be a good distro for someone like me?

If there's a distro that can support things like gaming and programming, that'd be the sort of thing for me. I've heard Linux users have a tendency to argue over what distros are the best, so keep it civil down in the comments.

D) Do you think that more games and programs will support Linux as a result of more people moving towards it?

E) Are there any disadvantages of Linux I should take note of?
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So, Windows is kind of collapsing right now, people complaining about requirements, bloat, spyware, etc, and I've been worrying about this for a few days now. What if Microsoft takes things a step too far with Windows, and pushes absolutely everyone away from it? I've seen lots of things recently. especially relating to Windows 11, and Windows 10's end of support. I've got a few questions I'd like to ask.

A) What about my NVIDIA GPU?

I've heard many people say stuff about NVIDIA not being very friendly with Linux, I still remember that iconic "NVIDIA, ♥♥♥♥ you!" from Linus Torvalds himself. Would there still be some decent compatibility, or would I have to get a new GPU? Are there members of the Linux community supporting

B) What about games and other programs?

Some games on Steam aren't compatible with Linux. I'm not too concerned about programs that I use, because they mostly have Linux support, but gaming is still a concern due to compatibiltiy issues. I know some games have workarounds and others don't.

C) What would be a good distro for someone like me?

If there's a distro that can support things like gaming and programming, that'd be the sort of thing for me. I've heard Linux users have a tendency to argue over what distros are the best, so keep it civil down in the comments.

D) Do you think that more games and programs will support Linux as a result of more people moving towards it?

E) Are there any disadvantages of Linux I should take note of?

with some of the experience i have with linux so far.
A) with nvidia brought their drivers over to linux, my experience greatly improved, but in the past only problem i had was installing operating system like Ubuntu what for some reason didn't like Nvidia graphics cards
B) With Steam proton, Wine, Etc which helps to play the games on linux, some have native versions to linux but of course not all games works or works nicely. some platforms and games is bit of messing around to get it working or working correctly. but there are linux community which can help
C) with linux distro it depends, think everyone has their distro what they like or prefer. but think starting off "linux mint" is usually one of those what people seems to recommend with a few others.
D) of course, the more people on a platform, the more likely. but of course there has to be a lot more then there is currently.
E) major one is not all software and games will work 100% out of the box or at all

just off the top of my head.
Отредактировано JacquesPatat; 9 июн. 2024 г. в 7:31
D: No, Linux community has tried to claim it'll get mainstream for years. It's not going to happen. Majority of the developers will not care about it.


E: Only that various programs and games won't work on it and the only real fix is to switch back to Windows.
Also Linux has the advantage that you can uninstall the entire OS in mere seconds if you tell it too. This was when someone tried to install Steam and told the system "Yes, I'm sure"


The people complaining about bloat in Windows 11 and 10 don't know what they are talking about. They act as if Edge is bloat for your system. It's not and it's not going to do anything to your start up time. The few other programs Windows has installed are nothing too. It's the same amount of "bloat" as in all windows versions.

Windows 11 and 10 are still perfectly fine to use.
Windows 10 support ending won't mean much for Win10. It'll get support from more developers than Linux will ever get support for. People are still using Windows 7 even though it has run out of support years ago.
It was only a real issue when Steam decided to lose support for it at which most of it's users started to voice their opinion.
https://www.protondb.com/

Thanks to Steam, DXVK, Proton, Bottles and Lutris, you can run almost any Windows game and Software on Linux, usually better than on Windows.

Intrusive anticheat rootkits and the like can cause problems, but even retarded Windows users shouldn't countenance that sort of thing.
Отредактировано Electric Cupcake; 9 июн. 2024 г. в 8:37
Автор сообщения: Electric Cupcake
https://www.protondb.com/

Thanks to Steam, DXVK, Proton, Bottles and Lutris, you can run almost any Windows game and Software on Linux, usually better than on Windows.

Intrusive anticheat rootkits and the like can cause problems, but even retarded Windows users shouldn't countenance that sort of thing.
Funny how I'd be able to run games better on Linux than Windows
for gaming.. screw modern hardware, os etc.. retrogaming works fine...

eventually like with other old tech making old crt monitors and p4 chips would be something you basicly can do with a 500 euro 3d printer... and every game ever made would be long pirated and become freeware..

meanwhile the pc's with os.. would be only used to work on and watch something even more brainrot than tiktoks and send something even more pointless than likes.
it be effectively the worst of cellphone use everwhere.
Отредактировано Dutchgamer1982; 9 июн. 2024 г. в 9:38
There's any number of online or physical 'for dummies' guides for starting out.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=linux+starter+guide

Some things to remember is that the GNU Project was an effort by free (as in freedom) software activists to make a free clone of Unix that everyone is free to modify as they please, all the way back in the 70s.

It's fundamentally different than Windows and has evolved separately, though over the last several years, there's been some convergence, with Microsoft adding some Linux style systems to Windows. And a significant portion of the Internet has been running off Linux-based Apache Servers for decades.

The point is, it's made for computer nerds, by computer nerds; and guardrails against wrecking the system by entering the wrong command are usually added as an afterthought. You have full control of the system. You DON'T have to be a coder, but you should be comfortable with entering text commands and editing text files and be familiar with system administration concepts like Group Access and Permissions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMm0HsmOTFI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0RYQVkQmWU
Отредактировано Electric Cupcake; 9 июн. 2024 г. в 11:29
Автор сообщения: Electric Cupcake
There's any number of online or physical 'for dummies' guides for starting out.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=linux+starter+guide

Some things to remember is that the GNU Project was an effort by free (as in freedom) software activists to make a free clone of Unix that everyone is free to modify as they please, all the way back in the 70s.

It's fundamentally different than Windows and has evolved separately, though over the last several years, there's been some convergence, with Microsoft adding some Linux style systems to Windows. And a significant portion of the Internet has been running off Linux-based Apache Servers for decades.

The point is, it's made for computer nerds, by computer nerds, and guardrails against wrecking the system by entering the wrong command are usually added as an afterthought. You have full control of the system. You DON'T have to be a coder, but you should be comfortable with entering text commands and editing text files and be familiar with system administration concepts like Group Access and Permissions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMm0HsmOTFI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0RYQVkQmWU
I'm not too stupid of a person (I hope), so entering commands in Linux probably won't go wrong for me. As for the convergence thing, it's reassuring that Linux will have some slight similarity to Windows. Linux Mint looks a lot like Windows to me, and I bet you could convince someone into thinking "It's the forgotten Windows 9!". Also, sorry if there are also a few other distros similar to Windows, I don't know Linux very well, but I'll have to know it in the event that Windows goes downhill.
Gaming on Linux is much better than it used to be. I mean even the SteamOS ( Deck OS ) is based on Linux.
Familiarize yourself with github, and the commands you need to put in a terminal window in order to grab files from repositories and building the programs you might want to use

Make sure not to put directories in important folders that are designated for other purposes. Such as, putting your games folder inside /bin/

Also, if you open up terminal with a specific window open, it will execute commands for this folder. This is especially helpful for modifying files or applying updates, since any Linux build is yours to customize

I would also get familiar with the commands for various Linux styles. Don't start off on Arch linux or a variant of it unless you want to put yourself in a position where you will need to know the most....besides LFS (Linux From Scratch), where you build up from kernel level.

I would also pick a version of Linux that pairs well with your hardware. If you run AMD CPU + GPU. then you can essentially pick any version of Linux, although I would personally recommend Ubuntu if you just want to learn the basics and have it do most other things, and Manjaro if you want an Arch-linux build that holds your hand a little.

Personally, my favorite is Manjaro.

There is also Pop_OS , but a lot of the code isn't exactly...shared, aka its not open source...so some people naturally don't trust it. If we can't peek under the hood to check the engine, we aren't buying.

Pop_OS would be where i would start if I didn't want to learn more advanced user configurations. It is also likely the Linux version that would probably jive best with nvidia. Either that or, I hear good things about Mint

Either way, if you go with a more advanced version of Linux, it is nice to peek at the code and then extrapolate how it works based on the function of the program

You will learn python and c++ pretty fast if you sort of "borrow" code from others, but don't monetize anything that you're actually borrowing code from, if you want to use it as a learning tool.

Always cite where you grabbed code from, users won't want to deal with it if they can't see the entire dir

If you learn something from someone, thank them. Linux is something that kind of came out of nowhere, and we were all kids again, learning how to ride a bicycle, and there aren't any elders to show us how

Many Linux veterans will be happy to help most users. They want to see others satisfied and enjoying their tailored os.

I do have to warn you, however. Some things Linux is missing, but they're being worked on. For instance, fan control is difficult to fanangle on most distros and the software made for custom fan control sometimes doesn't work

That, and Bluetooth. Those are the only two things I ever had issues with on any distro of Linux
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A) What about my NVIDIA GPU?

I've heard many people say stuff about NVIDIA not being very friendly with Linux, I still remember that iconic "NVIDIA, ♥♥♥♥ you!" from Linus Torvalds himself. Would there still be some decent compatibility, or would I have to get a new GPU? Are there members of the Linux community supporting
NVIDIA is actually doing a lot better on Linux than it used to, you just have to make sure to pick the right distribution that offers NVIDIA drivers right from the get-go as an option, otherwise you have to manually install the drivers.

There are plenty of distros which offer this though, such as Pop!_OS, Nobara, Arch based distros like Garuda Linux and CachyOS, etc.
If you want a high performance distro that works with recent NVIDIA GPUs, I would suggest either Nobara or CachyOS, personally.

One more thing to note; if you run multi monitors with VRR, there are issues with NVIDIA running that in X11 mode, you have to run Wayland mode to avoid those issues but on current stable and earlier drivers, Wayland is plagued with flickering and other issues, but with the current beta drivers (555.xx), Wayland works flawlessly with NVIDIA from my experience, at least on CachyOS which had the beta drivers installed by default.

Driver version 560 onwards will include NVIDIA's new open-source kernel modules, by default, replacing the current proprietary modules (but those who want those modules can switch it back over to proprietary if they wanted to)

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B) What about games and other programs?

Some games on Steam aren't compatible with Linux. I'm not too concerned about programs that I use, because they mostly have Linux support, but gaming is still a concern due to compatibiltiy issues. I know some games have workarounds and others don't.
https://www.protondb.com/

Steam has Proton, which allows the majority of the Steam library to work on Linux. Your mileage may vary, of course, and it takes a bit of tweaking to get things working flawlessly sometimes, but for the most part it's pretty easy.


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C) What would be a good distro for someone like me?

If there's a distro that can support things like gaming and programming, that'd be the sort of thing for me. I've heard Linux users have a tendency to argue over what distros are the best, so keep it civil down in the comments.
Any distro can do what another distro can do, the difference lies in what's packaged by default and how it's configured by default, I would suggest something like Fedora/Nobara Linux, or Arch/Garuda/CachyOS if you want a high performance distro with high customisation.

Some would recommend Ubuntu based distros but they tend to lag behind Windows in terms of gaming performance and they're held back on drivers and kernel. Those who are looking for raw performance and compatibility with the latest hardware are better off with a bleeding-edge distro.

My personal recommendation? CachyOS, with Plasma 6 KDE as the selected desktop environment. Wayland worked flawlessly out of the box for me with my RTX 3080.

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D) Do you think that more games and programs will support Linux as a result of more people moving towards it?
Yes, as Linux gains more support, eventually developers won't be able to ignore it anymore. It will take many years from now even, but eventually I believe that Windows might become more of a "business" or workforce focused operating system whereas Linux will become the main choice of all sorts of users; gamers, general users, etc.

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E) Are there any disadvantages of Linux I should take note of?
It's basically just software support, programs that just won't work even with compatibility layers like Wine just won't work on Linux. Modern Linux versions aren't difficult to learn and use, and they typically just work, particularly with distros designed with stability in mind rather than performance
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Linux Mint looks a lot like Windows to me, and I bet you could convince someone into thinking "It's the forgotten Windows 9!". Also, sorry if there are also a few other distros similar to Windows,

Linspire was originally called "Lindows" and billed itself as the most Windows-like, but they had to change the name after Microsoft threatened them. Also, ZorinOS is usually mentioned in most-Windows-like lists.

Recently a company has been selling "Wubuntu," but they push boundaries and are likely to get a letter from MS Lawyers soon if they haven't already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQD3yx-JF2E

The biggest differences between distros are what GUI Desktop Environment (DE) is installed by default and what package manager and repositories it uses.

Mint, as well as the Ubuntu family among others are all based on Debian. Mint has several editions with different DEs, and there's nothing stopping you from installing multiple DEs and choosing which one you want to use at the "greeter" login menu.

I've used the LXDE and KDE Plasma desktops the most.
Отредактировано Electric Cupcake; 9 июн. 2024 г. в 10:36
Wow, that's a lot of distros. I'll probably have to find some time to read the pros and cons of each one. Thanks to all of you for being useful.
A) It's getting better actually, but I've had some annoying issues with it and that's on a laptop made for Linux with an NVIDIA card (it would have random freezes). Those issues then decided to solve themselves, so I have no idea what was going on, but I guess it was driver related.

B) Steam has a compatibility layer called Proton, which lets Windows games run on Linux. It's not perfect, but it works very good in my experience. The main big problem is multiplayer games, since anti-cheat might not like it depending on the game. Apart from that, some games have even run better on Linux (forgot which, but there were some older games that just worked for me, but on Windows you had to tinker), though I think most don't.

For non-Steam games, there are alternatives like Lutris and Wine, though I haven't really used them. Wine also lets you run normal apps as well, but since I don't used it, I cannot say how well it works (note that the Proton compatibility layer is actually built on top of Wine, so it should be rather capable).

There are of course Linux alternatives to apps, but it would be easier to go into that when you've picked a distro. One popular way to get apps is via flatpaks (there are many ways to distribute apps on Linux, this is just one of the more popular ones), and you can view those apps here in case you want to check what kind of Linux apps exist:
https://flathub.org/

If you feel unsure if you want to go to Linux or not, I suggest trying it out in a virtual machine first. The only one I have used on Windows is Virtual Box, which is a bit on the slower side but otherwise works rather well. There are others as well, but it's the only one I know.
A) Nvidia Linux drivers are mostly pretty good, but because they're proprietary they often require extra steps to install (whereas open-source drivers are usually part of the base distro), introduce a few extra ways that things can potentially break (especially when upgrading from one major release of the distro to the next), and render your system ineligible for reporting certain kinds of bugs. DO NOT download the driver package directly from Nvidia; instead look up the method specific to the Linux distro you've installed (e.g. RPMFusion for Fedora, Driver Manager for Linux Mint, etc.).

B) Proton compatibility is mostly very good these days, but there are still scattered issues, and anti-cheat is still a problem on a bunch of games. You can search ProtonDB[www.protondb.com] or Proton issues[github.com] for compatibility reports with specific games.

C) It's really hard to recommend a distro to someone I don't know. I'd say the safest bets are probably Linux Mint Cinnamon if you want an old-school Windows XP/7-like experience, Pop!_OS if you want something more modern (although influenced more by MacOS than Windows), or Nobara if you really want a gaming-optimized OS. Many other distros are fine, but most of them are more targeted to either Linux/Unix experts or corporate/business users.

D) Outside of the server space and certain specialized software categories (e.g. science and engineering software), Linux is still considered a niche platform and likely will be for the foreseeable future. This is less of an issue than it used to be now that so many things are accessible as web apps and Wine/Proton have improved so much, but I wouldn't expect some huge wave of support to arrive in the foreseeable future.

E) Even when a product works with Linux, many vendors don't really accommodate Linux users in their support process. They'll often expect you to run Windows-specific troubleshooting procedures, updaters, etc., so in practice Linux users usually hash out support issues peer-to-peer via online forums and only go to the vendor for warranty claims; navigating those conversations is its own skill set. Some whole categories of specialized services are practically nonexistent for Linux systems (e.g. remote test proctoring). Support for Wi-Fi hardware newer than 802.11n is still hit-or-miss, and frequently requires manual installation of questionable-quality drivers (Intel adapters mostly "just work" though). Some DRM-restricted media won't play back without extra steps (or at all) on most systems, e.g. 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs and some streaming services. Most major streaming services work at some level, but might not offer high-quality streams to "untrusted" systems.
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If you feel unsure if you want to go to Linux or not, I suggest trying it out in a virtual machine first. The only one I have used on Windows is Virtual Box, which is a bit on the slower side but otherwise works rather well. There are others as well, but it's the only one I know.

A VM isn't really necessary, since it can be run directly off the USB.

Most install disks load the OS and let you try it before committing anything. They double as recovery disks as well. Even if the installed OS is Windows, you can boot a Linux USB environment and repair things with gparted.
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