3600RAM = bsod. downclocked to 3400 works. Why?

[cate]

I have I think a more than capable rig for 3600 ram. So why the hell can't my computer run my ram to its full 3600 speed?
3600=blue screen; restart
3533=worked, but just today had blue screen OF DEATH, then blue screen restarting
3400=setting that seems stable. haven't tested with an inbetween of 3400-3533 but can't be shat honestly.

Specs:
Gigabyte 3070 8GB OC (I did not oc it; it's listed as being OC'd)
5900x 3.7GHz
NH-D15
X570-E
2* 2*8GB 16GB corsair vengeance rgb ddr4-3600 cl18 (total all up 4 sticks at 32gb)
M.2 boot
Fractal 7 XL light atx full tower
EVGA 850W superNOVA GA series 80+gold
sh*t tonne of good quality case fans, and massive case so amazing airflow/temps

Like, what the hell? Overkill psu, cpu, moth, cooling, and it can't handle 3600ram! Why???


I've done nothing to alter my system/overclock, other than set higher-than-normal GPU fan settings, and (tried) to get my RAM to XMP (aka, get my ram to bloody work at its advertised speed)

[r.linder]

Pretty common issues when you don't buy a 4 module kit. Every time I ran a kit of RAM that wasn't all one kit on Ryzen, there was issues, and most of them were 3200 MHz kits. Ran fine with one 2 module kit, but crashed a lot with 2 *2 module kits.

Has not happened since I got a Corsair dom plats 3200 cl16 4x8GB kit.

[cate]

Originally posted by Escorve:

Pretty common issues when you don't buy a 4 module kit. Every time I ran a kit of RAM that wasn't all one kit on Ryzen, there was issues, and most of them were 3200 MHz kits. Ran fine with one 2 module kit, but crashed a lot with 2 *2 module kits.

Has not happened since I got a Corsair dom plats 3200 cl16 4x8GB kit.

Huh, interesting.
Well atleast I suppose I'm lucky enough to have 3400 seemingly be perfectly stable for a 2x2 kit.
And why the ♥♥♥♥ don't tutorials regarding picking pc parts and making your computer say important stuff like this!!



tangent:
they all say the same lame easy ♥♥♥♥ like "put cpu in here. do not push it is delicate. do not touch it is sensitive. put ram here. do not be dumb and do it wrong. etc..."
but they never state important stuff like "if your pc gets power but is ♥♥♥♥♥ wucky ensure the front panel power pin things are done right because there's literally zero ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reasoning for how to plug them in, even on fancy flashy expensive mobos it's the same uncomprehensible gibberish "guide". so just mess around with them to fix probably most issues."
or "remove extra parts you don't need so you don't short mobo via freak accident"
or "when choosing ram, try to only buy one set of ram. getting multiple sets, even if the ram is the same, can cause issues such as you not getting full potential of the ram, or worse case, the ram not functioning"

DAMN i loathe youtube "tutorials". full of bloat 10 min ♥♥♥♥ with ♥♥♥♥ intro and outro and unnecessary baby info but entirely skipping complicated but important info, and made by ♥♥♥♥♥ who don't understand what they're talking about.
i.e, was learning about "grey code". it's literally nothing more than a more condense way of writing binary code. with super super super super super super super super ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ easy explanation and concept of what it is and how to use it.
Yet so many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥ use academic ♥♥♥♥ jargon and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ horrible complex unnecessary diagrams and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fhishith isa odihsa lkjdhaskd lasdh kjla dhkjasl
♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ i hate them all. see the thumbnials here https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=grey+code
and know that it's literally just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ this:
"3" in binary is 011
to convert to gray code,
1. copy first digit
2. check if digit(i) and digit(i+1) are same. if they are, copy 0. otherwise, copy 1
that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ it.
so it's then:
copy 0 > 0
0,1 is different, write 1 > 01
1,1 is same, write 0 > 011
thats ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ it
not this stuosadupasjhkfdsjnklfsdkljnsfdkjnfsdljnkfsdjnlk

[Supafly]

^This
A single kit is advised as sometimes ram isn't compatible with other modules, even the exact same kit.

1 kit at a time

Run each kit separately @3400 and 3600 to see if it's 1 or both kits unable to run at the higher speeds. Use same Ram slots for each test. Then repeat in the other 2 ram slots. This help identify if the Ram slots themselves are an issue.

Make sure each module is paired with the other module in it's kit. Could also try switching a module from each kit to confirm if a single module in a kit is the issue.

If memory isn't on the motherboard compatibility list it could be those modules just aren't supported. Usually not an issue but it is possible.

Could try manually settings memory timings instead of using XMP

[_I_]

are you using the xmp profile for 3600?
just raising the freq to 1800mhz (ddr 3600 speed)
does not set the timings and voltage

and its also overclocking the cpus imc, it not agree with the oc

[SoldierScar]

Use Ryzen Dram Calculator to find the right timings and values, maybe you just need a different procODT value or drive strenghts to be stable.

[_I_]

Originally posted by 𝓢𝓸𝓵𝓭𝓲𝓮𝓻𝓢𝓬𝓪𝓻:

Use Ryzen Dram Calculator to find the right timings and values, maybe you just need a different procODT value or drive strenghts to be stable.

no, use cpuz to look at the xmp profile, or just select the profile to apply the values

[SoldierScar]

Originally posted by _I_:

Originally posted by 𝓢𝓸𝓵𝓭𝓲𝓮𝓻𝓢𝓬𝓪𝓻:

Use Ryzen Dram Calculator to find the right timings and values, maybe you just need a different procODT value or drive strenghts to be stable.

no, use cpuz to look at the xmp profile, or just select the profile to apply the values

That might not help, xmp profile loads the primary timings and that's it, the secondary and tertiary timings along with other important values are set by the motherboard which are often not optimal.

[cate]

Thanks for the help and suggestions, though I will do nothing than basic bios changings. I really don't want to overclock because the way I see it, I'm putting my electronics at risk for barely any gain. Certainly not worth it for me

[SoldierScar]

Originally posted by cate:

Thanks for the help and suggestions, though I will do nothing than basic bios changings. I really don't want to overclock because the way I see it, I'm putting my electronics at risk for barely any gain. Certainly not worth it for me

One more important question still, do you use XMP profile or did you just increase the frequency to 3600? If you just increased the frequency then you also need to manually increase voltages, dram at 1,35v and vsoc to 1.05 at least, 1.1 safe bet.

[_I_]

selecting the profile in bios sets the speed (freq), timings and voltage

thats what it was designed to do, so that you can run the ram at its rated speeds

[cate]

Originally posted by 𝓢𝓸𝓵𝓭𝓲𝓮𝓻𝓢𝓬𝓪𝓻:

Originally posted by cate:

Thanks for the help and suggestions, though I will do nothing than basic bios changings. I really don't want to overclock because the way I see it, I'm putting my electronics at risk for barely any gain. Certainly not worth it for me

One more important question still, do you use XMP profile or did you just increase the frequency to 3600? If you just increased the frequency then you also need to manually increase voltages, dram at 1,35v and vsoc to 1.05 at least, 1.1 safe bet.

I selected XMP (or some setting like that, maybe it was called OMP or something but it was a setting that boosted all aspects of the ram automatically)
, noticed that I got blue screen then restart, so I then manually reduced my ram speed from the xmp assigned 3600 to my 3400.
So, now, I have XMP settings with downlocked 3400 ram

[Lord Flashheart]

I got my 3600x and memory 2 years ago.

For both that and the 5900X, it has the same chip controlling the memory.

In both cases on the AMD website it states up to 3200MHz

I got the gskill flare X 3200 cl14 2 x 8GB. It is advertised to work well with ryzen so were confident about it.
Works fine with the XMP profile. At the time had little experience with DDR4.

Some time later, got another exact same kit and worked perfectly. I was aware there may be have been problems.

If may upgrade to a 59xx at some stage. Both have the same memory controller as my 3600X, likely with much better silicon quality. I am confident if I upgraded, would work just fine.

My point is, maybe if practical could you swap the memory fro a lower speed with tighter timings.

Just something to consider.

[_I_]

post a cpuz validation link
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html
cpuz -> validate button -> submit button
it will open a browser, copy the url (address) and paste it here

[Monk]

Honestly, I'd return the ram and spend a bit more, as that is terrible ram (very high CL) and will affect the potential of the chip.

Then find a guide on setting your fabric to match your rams speed atleast, there isn't much gain to be had overclocking the 5900X, but getting the fabric and ram setup properly can help.

I've not played with ryzen so cannot advise beyond that, but this should help get the system running at its potential, as ryzen can get nice gains with properly sorted ram.

[SoldierScar]

Originally posted by cate:

Originally posted by 𝓢𝓸𝓵𝓭𝓲𝓮𝓻𝓢𝓬𝓪𝓻:

One more important question still, do you use XMP profile or did you just increase the frequency to 3600? If you just increased the frequency then you also need to manually increase voltages, dram at 1,35v and vsoc to 1.05 at least, 1.1 safe bet.

I selected XMP (or some setting like that, maybe it was called OMP or something but it was a setting that boosted all aspects of the ram automatically)
, noticed that I got blue screen then restart, so I then manually reduced my ram speed from the xmp assigned 3600 to my 3400.
So, now, I have XMP settings with downlocked 3400 ram

Probably just unlucky ram, don't forget to manually set fclk to half of the ram, so 1700mhz.