GPU Utilization at 100% in a game. Bitcoin Miner or just poor specs optimizaiton?

[NoticedAlarm]

I was playing this random game I found, it started getting laggy so I checked my FPS. My GPU was using 100%. Is this a bitcoin miner or something wrong with the game's optimization?

[r.linder]

Diposting pertama kali oleh kingjames488:

Diposting pertama kali oleh r.linder:

More likely something wrong with the configuration or drivers than just the hardware itself, because I don't have that issue and nothing in my machine is newer than 2020 aside from the power supply

Or you have low end hardware and expect more performance than what it realistically draws

maybe... tho it seems to just be locked at 60C or so... I can over volt stuff and pump it up to like 70C and it just gets all wonky and tries to clock down.

GPU frequency scales with temperature in addition to voltage, nobody really overclocks anymore unless they have really good cooling on their GPU

[kingjames488]

Diposting pertama kali oleh r.linder:

Diposting pertama kali oleh kingjames488:

maybe... tho it seems to just be locked at 60C or so... I can over volt stuff and pump it up to like 70C and it just gets all wonky and tries to clock down.

GPU frequency scales with temperature in addition to voltage, nobody really overclocks anymore unless they have really good cooling on their GPU

all chips just scale to temp now, and windows tries to force me to reduce my 75HZ monitor to 60HZ to "save energy" too... idk what microsofts ♥♥♥♥♥♥ is with the number 60 >.>

[Shaggin'Wagon]

Diposting pertama kali oleh r.linder:

Diposting pertama kali oleh kingjames488:

well I'm not upgrading to a 14thgen CPU... that almost definitely wouldn't make anything perform better.

It would and the instability issue is only affecting the i9, the 13 and 14th gen i5s and i7s are fine

It seems yet again I need to come correct you with more false information that you're feeding into the forums.

The correct list of effected part numbers for the Intel 13'th gen defects are as follows:
i9-13900T
i9-13900
i9-13900F
i9-13900K
i9-13900KF
i7-13700K
i7-13700KF
i7-13700
i7-13700T
i5-13600K
i5-13600KF

i9's, i7's, and i5's are all effected.
This time in this comment you are actually intentionally negligent and could cause BIG PROBLEMS for people with this information. This is a serious problem with these processors and people need to know if their processor is potentially effected or not so if they have problems they can seek an RMA from Intel during the RMA period. By misleading people with your above comment you could cause them to delay seeking RMA replacement until the RMA period is over and then they would never be able to.

Out of all the things you have written into the steam forums this is by far the one comment with the highest potential damage. I seriously can't believe you wrote that on purpose.

[Shaggin'Wagon]

Diposting pertama kali oleh r.linder:

There's no evidence at all that suggests that i5s and i7s have the same issue, it's only been isolated to the CPU microcode for the 13900K and 14900K series.

Yes there is evidence and it has been posted online. i5's, i7's, and i9's are all effected. Also Intel posted a statement admitting that there was a physical manufacturing defect in "some" 13'th gen products. Fortunately we do have a list of at least some of those processors that are (so far) known to suffer from this. Most likely more 13'th gen products will come to light later. If someone does have a defective processor then it is a physical manufacturing defect that can not be fixed with microcode alone. Intel confirmed this in their statement. If you are mentioning this to people it is VERY IMPORTANT that you relay this information to them. People should not be just applying the microcode / bios update only and continuing on with life. If they have a defective 13'th gen processor they need to seek replacement from Intel ASAP.

[r.linder]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Shaggin'Wagon:

Diposting pertama kali oleh r.linder:

It would and the instability issue is only affecting the i9, the 13 and 14th gen i5s and i7s are fine

It seems yet again I need to come correct you with more false information that you're feeding into the forums.

The correct list of effected part numbers for the Intel 13'th gen defects are as follows:
i9-13900T
i9-13900
i9-13900F
i9-13900K
i9-13900KF
i7-13700K
i7-13700KF
i7-13700
i7-13700T
i5-13600K
i5-13600KF

i9's, i7's, and i5's are all effected.
This time in this comment you are actually intentionally negligent and could cause BIG PROBLEMS for people with this information. This is a serious problem with these processors and people need to know if their processor is potentially effected or not so if they have problems they can seek an RMA from Intel during the RMA period. By misleading people with your above comment you could cause them to delay seeking RMA replacement until the RMA period is over and then they would never be able to.

Out of all the things you have written into the steam forums this is by far the one comment with the highest potential damage. I seriously can't believe you wrote that on purpose.

People that have the defect would be having issues by now and would have already filed for RMA because their system would be crashing, the actual majority of instability reports are regarding the i9s which are mainly being damaged by the CPU misreporting how much voltage is to be supplied by the motherboard, which is a microcode issue, there aren't that many 13th gen chips with oxidization problems.

Their CPUs mostly have 3 year warranties so people that bought 13th gen during the time frame in 2023 have until around 2026, and if a random steam forum comment for some reason makes them think that they shouldn't consider it, then that's their own fault for taking anything with 100% seriousness when it's not direct from an industry professional. Get over yourself.

And for the record, Intel was refusing RMAs for those CPUs until their partners found out about the manufacturing issue, so Intel already screwed those people over if they won't revisit denied RMAs to correct their own wrongdoings.

[kingjames488]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Shaggin'Wagon:

Diposting pertama kali oleh r.linder:

It would and the instability issue is only affecting the i9, the 13 and 14th gen i5s and i7s are fine

It seems yet again I need to come correct you with more false information that you're feeding into the forums.

The correct list of effected part numbers for the Intel 13'th gen defects are as follows:
i9-13900T
i9-13900
i9-13900F
i9-13900K
i9-13900KF
i7-13700K
i7-13700KF
i7-13700
i7-13700T
i5-13600K
i5-13600KF

i9's, i7's, and i5's are all effected.
This time in this comment you are actually intentionally negligent and could cause BIG PROBLEMS for people with this information.

Diposting pertama kali oleh kingjames488:

Diposting pertama kali oleh r.linder:

There's no evidence at all that suggests that i5s and i7s have the same issue, it's only been isolated to the CPU microcode for the 13900K and 14900K series.

It's also not true that games are isolated to a single thread, there are plenty of games that use a lot more than that and there's hundreds of games that perform better with Intel HT or AMD SMT present than otherwise. There's multiple games now that don't run at peak performance with less than at least 8 cores as well, even ~6 core CPUs of the same generation can lag behind more than they would in other games that scale fine with less than 8 cores.
You're operating on antiquated logic that only really applies to games like CS:GO/CS2, really low end titles and really old games that not that many people actually care about anymore.

other than a bunch of gathering things here and there there's not a whole lot of "evidence" anyways, intel has hardly even admitted there's a problem lol.

so until they release an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ list of affected products, this is the closest I've seen of reported 13th gen processors with issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVdmK1UGzGs
(17:17)
seems to include pretty much everything.

funny, pretty sure that's the same list I linked?

idk how my generalising to refer to information I've provided is in any way misleading or negligent, much less intentionally... but I'm aware people don't actually give 2 ♥♥♥♥♥ what I
actually say so I'm just pointing it out to you again.

[r.linder]

Diposting pertama kali oleh kingjames488:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Shaggin'Wagon:

It seems yet again I need to come correct you with more false information that you're feeding into the forums.

The correct list of effected part numbers for the Intel 13'th gen defects are as follows:
i9-13900T
i9-13900
i9-13900F
i9-13900K
i9-13900KF
i7-13700K
i7-13700KF
i7-13700
i7-13700T
i5-13600K
i5-13600KF

i9's, i7's, and i5's are all effected.
This time in this comment you are actually intentionally negligent and could cause BIG PROBLEMS for people with this information.

Diposting pertama kali oleh kingjames488:

other than a bunch of gathering things here and there there's not a whole lot of "evidence" anyways, intel has hardly even admitted there's a problem lol.

so until they release an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ list of affected products, this is the closest I've seen of reported 13th gen processors with issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVdmK1UGzGs
(17:17)
seems to include pretty much everything.

funny, pretty sure that's the same list I linked?

idk how my generalising to refer to information I've provided is in any way misleading or negligent, much less intentionally... but I'm aware people don't actually give 2 ♥♥♥♥♥ what I
actually say so I'm just pointing it out to you again.

He wasn't even responding to you, get your eyes checked

[kingjames488]

Diposting pertama kali oleh r.linder:

Diposting pertama kali oleh kingjames488:

funny, pretty sure that's the same list I linked?

idk how my generalising to refer to information I've provided is in any way misleading or negligent, much less intentionally... but I'm aware people don't actually give 2 ♥♥♥♥♥ what I
actually say so I'm just pointing it out to you again.

He wasn't even responding to you, get your eyes checked

ya, I see that now. I'm just getting tired of being discredited for talking about legitimate issues up in here.

[r.linder]

Both of yous are taking the lists that were specific to the oxidization issues, completely unrelated to the VID Issue with 13th and 14th gen i9s, period, it's two completely separate issues, one was a manufacturing defect back in 2023, the other is an ongoing issue that only really affects the CPUs at the top of the stack with already higher voltage demands

[kingjames488]

Diposting pertama kali oleh r.linder:

Both of yous are taking the lists that were specific to the oxidization issues, completely unrelated to the VID Issue with 13th and 14th gen i9s, period, it's two completely separate issues, one was a manufacturing defect back in 2023, the other is an ongoing issue that only really affects the CPUs at the top of the stack with already higher voltage demands

I don't think it's totally clear yet what the full extent of the issues are, at least until next month when they roll out the supposed fixes.

I'm kinda wondering how legitimate the reports of people being falsely banned for cheating due to these defects are tho? :S

[r.linder]

Diposting pertama kali oleh kingjames488:

Diposting pertama kali oleh r.linder:

Both of yous are taking the lists that were specific to the oxidization issues, completely unrelated to the VID Issue with 13th and 14th gen i9s, period, it's two completely separate issues, one was a manufacturing defect back in 2023, the other is an ongoing issue that only really affects the CPUs at the top of the stack with already higher voltage demands

I don't think it's totally clear yet what the full extent of the issues are, at least until next month when they roll out the supposed fixes.

I'm kinda wondering how legitimate the reports of people being falsely banned for cheating due to these defects are tho? :S

Probably a side effect of the microcode issues

[Shaggin'Wagon]

Diposting pertama kali oleh r.linder:

People that have the defect would be having issues by now and would have already filed for RMA

Unless of course someone has a defective 13'th gen processor that's been sitting in a box or on a shelf all this time and then they sell it as used on ebay and someone buys it to build a computer with and it's defective and they didn't know it. It's still very important information that everyone should know if they have any 13'th gen processor.

Diposting pertama kali oleh r.linder:

there aren't that many 13th gen chips with oxidization problems.

Unfortunately Intel has not published a list, or date range or any way to identify the defective processors at this time. This means that all 13'th gen parts are suspect (even any still sold new or used) today unless someone owns one that they know personally was returned from RMA replacement service from Intel that was corrected. All other 13'th gen processors from all other sources are to be treated as suspect right until we know more information later. Anyone that owns any 13'th gen Intel processor that has not RMA'd it should be suspicious that their processor may be one of the defect ones. There's no way to know.

To repeat again (since it seems you aren't reading): When you mention the 13'th gen Intel processors online in any website or forum it is very important that you relay this information to people. Intentionally omitting or not mentioning this is extremely negligent on your part.

[Shaggin'Wagon]

Diposting pertama kali oleh kingjames488:

funny, pretty sure that's the same list I linked?

idk how my generalising to refer to information I've provided is in any way misleading or negligent, much less intentionally... but I'm aware people don't actually give 2 ♥♥♥♥♥ what I
actually say so I'm just pointing it out to you again.

I wanted to write down the list of effected part numbers into the forum thread here so people could read it without having to click on your video. Also my issue is that r.linder actually attempted to state that the 13'th gen i5's and i7's aren't effected at all. Which is very misleading.

[Shaggin'Wagon]

Diposting pertama kali oleh r.linder:

Both of yous are taking the lists that were specific to the oxidization issues, completely unrelated to the VID Issue with 13th and 14th gen i9s, period, it's two completely separate issues, one was a manufacturing defect back in 2023, the other is an ongoing issue that only really affects the CPUs at the top of the stack with already higher voltage demands

The VID issue effected the 14'th gen parts. The physical defects effected the 13'th gen parts. The VID issue did not effect the 13'th gen parts. They are different issues effecting different hardware. If you're going to comment about this in the steam forums then I would suggest you get your facts straight first on important issues like this.

[kingjames488]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Shaggin'Wagon:

Diposting pertama kali oleh kingjames488:

funny, pretty sure that's the same list I linked?

idk how my generalising to refer to information I've provided is in any way misleading or negligent, much less intentionally... but I'm aware people don't actually give 2 ♥♥♥♥♥ what I
actually say so I'm just pointing it out to you again.

I wanted to write down the list of effected part numbers into the forum thread here so people could read it without having to click on your video. Also my issue is that r.linder actually attempted to state that the 13'th gen i5's and i7's aren't effected at all. Which is very misleading.

right, thanks for writing that out... I couldn't be bothered.

sorry to jump on you.