ベル・ムーン 2024년 3월 25일 오후 10시 10분
Linux, AMD, Questions, New Pc Soon
I've recently swapped to linux mint, since windows is just so bloated and annoying to deal with nowadays, I'm currently on a 3060 RTX, with a Intel i5-10400 (12) 4.3 GHz and 16gb 3200Ghz ram. I'm planning to buy an entire new computer in or around 1.5 months give or take, and wanted to know what I should be aiming to get, but Ive never used AMD in my entire lifespan, and wanted to know whats what. Ive been told AMD is great on linux, and that nvidia suffers on it. My price range is 2000-2500$, I'm looking to get a rig capable of playing the next new titles for hopefully 3 more years from today, so if anyone knows what GPU and CPU's are a exceptionally huge upgrade and can inform me about AMD and linux of the likes that would be fantastic!

PS, I know nothing of AMD at all, and I only know the higher the number on nvidia the better it is from the last one xD, as for CPU's i'm also completely stupid to. Also only had linux for 2 weeks so any help or tips with that is also fantastic!
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ベル・ムーン 2024년 3월 29일 오전 8시 06분 
AbedsBrother님이 먼저 게시:
Check that the games you want to play will actually work on Linux
https://www.protondb.com/

If they don't, or work poorly, there's no point in bothering with Linux.
So far everythings working via steamplay, also thnx for that link, thats a neat site :o
Jinrum 2024년 3월 29일 오전 8시 34분 
If you are going to be buying newer hardware then you will also want to be on a leading edge distro (not bleeding edge) like Fedora Workstation to properly support that hardware. Just download Fedora Media Writer and make it easy on yourself.

If you end up with an Nvidia GPU make sure to turn off secure boot in your motherboard BIOS and use the X11 session for now. Beginners are not aware of this and wonder why they run into issues. Also, if you have games saved to an external drive formatted as NTFS, convert it to EXT4 to remove any future headaches with Steam. This means re-downloading your games unfortunately.

For Nvidia drivers, run the following 2 commands one at a time to easily install the driver.
https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA

sudo dnf update -y
sudo dnf install akmod-nvidia

That's it done! Make sure to reboot your computer at least two times after.

If you want optional cuda support then run the third command.

sudo dnf install xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda

https://www.fedoraproject.org/en/workstation/download
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/
https://www.phoronix.com/
https://areweanticheatyet.com/
https://www.protondb.com/
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Zygfryd 2024년 3월 30일 오전 6시 15분 
If I was buying for myself, I'd get the ASUS ProArt X670E-Creator WIFI motherboard. It has 2x m.2 slots with dedicated lanes, and bifurcation that gets you another 2x m.2 with dedicated lanes via a HyperM.2 card. Also very fast wired connectivity.

Just not quite sure about the AMD Wifi/BT chipset, only had experience with Intel ones.

Personally I've been gaming (or trying to game) on Linux since the early 2000s, native, Wine, VFIO, the whole spectrum, but these days I keep a Windows machine around for the more demanding games. If a game runs on my Linux machine well, that's great, I don't have to fire up the second computer. But I'm not sacrificing goats to make every game I want to play run on Linux anymore, I just wake up the Windows machine and switch the input on the monitor.

The important part is that I keep all my personal and work stuff on the open source operating system that I trust, and Windows is just a gaming console.
Ulfrinn 2024년 3월 30일 오후 4시 06분 
Jinrum님이 먼저 게시:
If you are going to be buying newer hardware then you will also want to be on a leading edge distro (not bleeding edge) like Fedora Workstation to properly support that hardware. Just download Fedora Media Writer and make it easy on yourself.

If you end up with an Nvidia GPU make sure to turn off secure boot in your motherboard BIOS and use the X11 session for now. Beginners are not aware of this and wonder why they run into issues. Also, if you have games saved to an external drive formatted as NTFS, convert it to EXT4 to remove any future headaches with Steam. This means re-downloading your games unfortunately.

For Nvidia drivers, run the following 2 commands one at a time to easily install the driver.
https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA

sudo dnf update -y
sudo dnf install akmod-nvidia

That's it done! Make sure to reboot your computer at least two times after.

If you want optional cuda support then run the third command.

sudo dnf install xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda

https://www.fedoraproject.org/en/workstation/download
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/
https://www.phoronix.com/
https://areweanticheatyet.com/
https://www.protondb.com/

You definitely don't want to be gaming on X11. Part of the reason gaming has gotten so much better is because of Wayland replacing X11 in most distros now.
ベル・ムーン 2024년 3월 30일 오후 6시 01분 
Ulfrinn님이 먼저 게시:
Jinrum님이 먼저 게시:
If you are going to be buying newer hardware then you will also want to be on a leading edge distro (not bleeding edge) like Fedora Workstation to properly support that hardware. Just download Fedora Media Writer and make it easy on yourself.

If you end up with an Nvidia GPU make sure to turn off secure boot in your motherboard BIOS and use the X11 session for now. Beginners are not aware of this and wonder why they run into issues. Also, if you have games saved to an external drive formatted as NTFS, convert it to EXT4 to remove any future headaches with Steam. This means re-downloading your games unfortunately.

For Nvidia drivers, run the following 2 commands one at a time to easily install the driver.
https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA

sudo dnf update -y
sudo dnf install akmod-nvidia

That's it done! Make sure to reboot your computer at least two times after.

If you want optional cuda support then run the third command.

sudo dnf install xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda

https://www.fedoraproject.org/en/workstation/download
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/
https://www.phoronix.com/
https://areweanticheatyet.com/
https://www.protondb.com/

You definitely don't want to be gaming on X11. Part of the reason gaming has gotten so much better is because of Wayland replacing X11 in most distros now.
What distro do you recommend?
Ulfrinn 2024년 3월 30일 오후 11시 28분 
♥ RubyRose ♥님이 먼저 게시:
Ulfrinn님이 먼저 게시:

You definitely don't want to be gaming on X11. Part of the reason gaming has gotten so much better is because of Wayland replacing X11 in most distros now.
What distro do you recommend?

X11 and Wayland aren't distros, they're windowing systems that can be used by desktop managers on any distro. A windowing system is what actually renders an image on screen. A desktop environment is all the UI stuff that is shown like your icons, taskbar, wallpaper, etc, and some of these look and function a lot like Windows (such as KDE), and a distro is just a set of packages chosen by the developers of that distro to make up the operating system.

X11 is very old, and doesn't do compositing, which is required to make things like rounded windows, transparency effects, etc. You can add composition to X11, but once you do that, frame time, latency, and stutter become quite noticeable, and bad for gaming. Another issue with X11 is it struggles to keep track of things when you have two or more monitors of varying refresh rates. So if you have a 144hz gaming monitor and additional 60hz side monitors, you'll get tearing and stutter.

Wayland, X11's alternative, handles multi screens without any issue, introduces no extra stutter, has built in compositing that doesn't degrade the experience at all, it's fairly new and built from the ground up to handle modern systems, gaming included and also a large focus of it.

As for distros, Fedora is fine. Get it with the KDE spin, and select Wayland from the login screen and it's a perfectly find distro to start out on for gaming. I might even explore some of Fedora's more experimental spins myself in the near future.
ベル・ムーン 2024년 3월 31일 오전 5시 12분 
Ulfrinn님이 먼저 게시:
♥ RubyRose ♥님이 먼저 게시:
What distro do you recommend?

X11 and Wayland aren't distros, they're windowing systems that can be used by desktop managers on any distro. A windowing system is what actually renders an image on screen. A desktop environment is all the UI stuff that is shown like your icons, taskbar, wallpaper, etc, and some of these look and function a lot like Windows (such as KDE), and a distro is just a set of packages chosen by the developers of that distro to make up the operating system.

X11 is very old, and doesn't do compositing, which is required to make things like rounded windows, transparency effects, etc. You can add composition to X11, but once you do that, frame time, latency, and stutter become quite noticeable, and bad for gaming. Another issue with X11 is it struggles to keep track of things when you have two or more monitors of varying refresh rates. So if you have a 144hz gaming monitor and additional 60hz side monitors, you'll get tearing and stutter.

Wayland, X11's alternative, handles multi screens without any issue, introduces no extra stutter, has built in compositing that doesn't degrade the experience at all, it's fairly new and built from the ground up to handle modern systems, gaming included and also a large focus of it.

As for distros, Fedora is fine. Get it with the KDE spin, and select Wayland from the login screen and it's a perfectly find distro to start out on for gaming. I might even explore some of Fedora's more experimental spins myself in the near future.
Thanks, had no idea! Good to know, and glad you happen to run into my post haha :D, ill google around more till I get the new pc and try and get a good image on what direction i should goes.
Ulfrinn 2024년 3월 31일 오전 7시 46분 
♥ RubyRose ♥님이 먼저 게시:
Ulfrinn님이 먼저 게시:

X11 and Wayland aren't distros, they're windowing systems that can be used by desktop managers on any distro. A windowing system is what actually renders an image on screen. A desktop environment is all the UI stuff that is shown like your icons, taskbar, wallpaper, etc, and some of these look and function a lot like Windows (such as KDE), and a distro is just a set of packages chosen by the developers of that distro to make up the operating system.

X11 is very old, and doesn't do compositing, which is required to make things like rounded windows, transparency effects, etc. You can add composition to X11, but once you do that, frame time, latency, and stutter become quite noticeable, and bad for gaming. Another issue with X11 is it struggles to keep track of things when you have two or more monitors of varying refresh rates. So if you have a 144hz gaming monitor and additional 60hz side monitors, you'll get tearing and stutter.

Wayland, X11's alternative, handles multi screens without any issue, introduces no extra stutter, has built in compositing that doesn't degrade the experience at all, it's fairly new and built from the ground up to handle modern systems, gaming included and also a large focus of it.

As for distros, Fedora is fine. Get it with the KDE spin, and select Wayland from the login screen and it's a perfectly find distro to start out on for gaming. I might even explore some of Fedora's more experimental spins myself in the near future.
Thanks, had no idea! Good to know, and glad you happen to run into my post haha :D, ill google around more till I get the new pc and try and get a good image on what direction i should goes.

I would look at the major desktop environments, and find one you want, then find a good derivative of Ubuntu or Fedora that utilize that desktop environment. Also, look into flatpaks and appimages. for a few years now, most third party software distribution is being done in those formats which simplify development immensely and have greatly expanded how much software is available on Linux. An AppImage for example is a single file that you can download and run, containing the application you want, and all of it's dependencies ready to go with a double click.
Tonepoet 2024년 3월 31일 오전 10시 19분 
The various desktop environments have been tested, independently, at least a couple of times.


K.D.E. Plasma and X.F.C.E. (each with the the compositor disabled) came out on top as the best performers amongst desktop environements. Based on the earlier spreadsheet, since it would be harder to compile the data, they perform about 4% better than Cinnamon Mint, which was one of the worse ones. One might argue that anything less than a 5% difference is negligible and a rounding error, so perhaps you should just choose whatever you want, but those are the averaged out results among five runs, so if we are really worried about fully optimizing performance, then you should likely choose one of those two. It was also suggested to me that X.F.C.E. was one of the least advance Desktop environments, but as far as I know, K.D.E. Plasma is quite advanced, so there is no reason not to prefer that.

Moreover, it should also be noted that Valve only officially supports Ubuntu L.T.S. releases with Unity, Gnome and K.D.E. desktops. That does not mean Steam will not work on other linux varieties, but I would not expect customer service to be very helpful if you go with something like Arch.

That kind of makes the choice very obvious. You want to go with K.D.E. as your desktop environment on an Ubuntu based distro. Ubuntu is the most popular distro, and regarded as one of the more beginner friendly options too too.

Thus the distro. I would suggest is Kubuntu.[kubuntu.org]It is basically a fork off of Ubuntu that uses K.D.E. as the distro. It is sponsored by Canonical[help.ubuntu.com], who make Ubuntu. It is basically Ubuntu with K.D.E. as the desktop environment (instead of G.N.O.M.E., which is regular Ubuntu's default).

Now KWin might have a problem with automatically disabling the compositor when you go full-screen, which could hurt performance, but there is a script to fix that. Maybe that was fixed in the intervening years since then, but maybe not, so you should probably install the autocompositor[store.kde.org] script after you install Kubuntu, which patches the problem.

Oh, there is one last thing worth noting. You switch between Wayland and X11 when logging into Linux. On Kubuntu the option is in one oft two menus on the lower-left side of the screen when logging into your account.
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ベル・ムーン 2024년 3월 31일 오후 3시 53분 
Tonepoet님이 먼저 게시:
The various desktop environments have been tested, independently, at least a couple of times.


K.D.E. Plasma and X.F.C.E. (each with the the compositor disabled) came out on top as the best performers amongst desktop environements. Based on the earlier spreadsheet, since it would be harder to compile the data, they perform about 4% better than Cinnamon Mint, which was one of the worse ones. One might argue that anything less than a 5% difference is negligible and a rounding error, so perhaps you should just choose whatever you want, but those are the averaged out results among five runs, so if we are really worried about fully optimizing performance, then you should likely choose one of those two. It was also suggested to me that X.F.C.E. was one of the least advance Desktop environments, but as far as I know, K.D.E. Plasma is quite advanced, so there is no reason not to prefer that.

Moreover, it should also be noted that Valve only officially supports Ubuntu L.T.S. releases with Unity, Gnome and K.D.E. desktops. That does not mean Steam will not work on other linux varieties, but I would not expect customer service to be very helpful if you go with something like Arch.

That kind of makes the choice very obvious. You want to go with K.D.E. as your desktop environment on an Ubuntu based distro. Ubuntu is the most popular distro, and regarded as one of the more beginner friendly options too too.

Thus the distro. I would suggest is Kubuntu.[kubuntu.org]It is basically a fork off of Ubuntu that uses K.D.E. as the distro. It is sponsored by Canonical[help.ubuntu.com], who make Ubuntu. It is basically Ubuntu with K.D.E. as the desktop environment (instead of G.N.O.M.E., which is regular Ubuntu's default).

Now KWin might have a problem with automatically disabling the compositor when you go full-screen, which could hurt performance, but there is a script to fix that. Maybe that was fixed in the intervening years since then, but maybe not, so you should probably install the autocompositor[store.kde.org] script after you install Kubuntu, which patches the problem.

Oh, there is one last thing worth noting. You switch between Wayland and X11 when logging into Linux. On Kubuntu the option is in one oft two menus on the lower-left side of the screen when logging into your account.
Oh my, okay thank you very much, ill look into this KDE Plasma, and the kubuntu, all of you have been so helpful! :heartp:
Ulfrinn 2024년 3월 31일 오후 10시 04분 
♥ RubyRose ♥님이 먼저 게시:
Tonepoet님이 먼저 게시:
The various desktop environments have been tested, independently, at least a couple of times.


K.D.E. Plasma and X.F.C.E. (each with the the compositor disabled) came out on top as the best performers amongst desktop environements. Based on the earlier spreadsheet, since it would be harder to compile the data, they perform about 4% better than Cinnamon Mint, which was one of the worse ones. One might argue that anything less than a 5% difference is negligible and a rounding error, so perhaps you should just choose whatever you want, but those are the averaged out results among five runs, so if we are really worried about fully optimizing performance, then you should likely choose one of those two. It was also suggested to me that X.F.C.E. was one of the least advance Desktop environments, but as far as I know, K.D.E. Plasma is quite advanced, so there is no reason not to prefer that.

Moreover, it should also be noted that Valve only officially supports Ubuntu L.T.S. releases with Unity, Gnome and K.D.E. desktops. That does not mean Steam will not work on other linux varieties, but I would not expect customer service to be very helpful if you go with something like Arch.

That kind of makes the choice very obvious. You want to go with K.D.E. as your desktop environment on an Ubuntu based distro. Ubuntu is the most popular distro, and regarded as one of the more beginner friendly options too too.

Thus the distro. I would suggest is Kubuntu.[kubuntu.org]It is basically a fork off of Ubuntu that uses K.D.E. as the distro. It is sponsored by Canonical[help.ubuntu.com], who make Ubuntu. It is basically Ubuntu with K.D.E. as the desktop environment (instead of G.N.O.M.E., which is regular Ubuntu's default).

Now KWin might have a problem with automatically disabling the compositor when you go full-screen, which could hurt performance, but there is a script to fix that. Maybe that was fixed in the intervening years since then, but maybe not, so you should probably install the autocompositor[store.kde.org] script after you install Kubuntu, which patches the problem.

Oh, there is one last thing worth noting. You switch between Wayland and X11 when logging into Linux. On Kubuntu the option is in one oft two menus on the lower-left side of the screen when logging into your account.
Oh my, okay thank you very much, ill look into this KDE Plasma, and the kubuntu, all of you have been so helpful! :heartp:

Kubuntu if you want something based on Ubuntu, Fedora KDE spin if you want a fedora distro. Also the Steam Deck's "desktop mode" uses KDE as well. The fact so many distros still default to Gnome is mind boggling.
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Tonepoet 2024년 4월 1일 오전 7시 45분 
Well,I mean, you're welcome. We're here to help and I already know why I chose Kubuntu as my current distribution of choice going forward, so that's not hard to go over.

However, reading over the topic again it looks like you're already using Mint, it might just be easier to install K.D.E. on top of it.[www.ghacks.net] Going over those installation instructions, you probably want to use LightDM on that prompt, since I don't exactly know which aspect makes K.D.E. Plasma better. I just know I've seen test results which suggest it is. It'd just be wise to eliminiate any differences between cinnamon and K.D.E. as a variable.

If you're going with a fresh installation for your new system , then you might look into installing Kubuntu since that uses K.D.E. Plasma by default.


Another thing I've noticed is that we're asking about and discussing Nvidia drivers. Historically Nvidia drivers were closed source and not as well supported as A.M.D's., but more recently they've been opening up their drivers[arstechnica.com] to help improve Linux support. Its been a year or so since then, so I wouldn't be too worried about Team Green on Linux going forward.

Another thing to note is that A.M.D. is kind of struggling with the H.D.M.I. forum over H.D.M.I. 2.1. implementation on their open source drivers[arstechnica.com]. That's not too important if you can simply switch over to display port, but most televisions and some monitors only support H.D.M.I. Apparently, Nvidia and Intel use a hardware based approach to circumvent the need to implement H.D.M.I. 2.1. in their drivers or some such nonsense. Naturally, H.D.M.I. problems can be circumvented by using Displayport instead, but that might not be an option for your display, so that is worth noting.

So in contravention of the conventional advice, I might advise sticking with Team Green for your upgrade given you have a high budget.



Speaking of your upgrade, I'd like to offer some advice in the interest of potentially saving you some money. it might be a good idea to hang onto your stuff a little while longer.

New generation graphics cards are rumored to be released sometime in fall[www.pcgamesn.com], and even if they aren't, at least assuming you are in the U.S.A. (which is statistically likely based on relative populations in the core anglosphere), black friday discounts on existing hardware can be quite steep. (Other regions have started observing Black Friday too[www.junglescout.com], but the U.S.A. is the main one).

Moreover I don't know if you really need to build a whole new computer just yet. You might just be able to get away with upgrading a few components in the existing one. If you have a socketed C.P.U., then you should be able to upgrade from a i5 10400f to an 12600kf ($165)[www.newegg.com] or maybe even an 11700f ($205)[www.amazon.com] and get a pretty decent uplift in processing power. It wouldn't be the most cost effective way to spend money on a processor alone, but the point would be to stall out upgrading components such as your R.A.M. and motherboard for another year or so.

I'd need to know more about the system before ascertaining just how plausible that is though. My apologies if you have already considered this and dismissed it as an inadequate solution. It's just that I don't know, so I might as well bring it up incase you hadn't.
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libadwaita (she/her) 2024년 4월 1일 오후 2시 07분 
C1REX님이 먼저 게시:
I personally never understood why everybody is saying that AMD has better Linux drivers.
I never had any problems with Nvidia drivers. The only thing is you need to install them when AMD more often comes pre installed. That's the main difference for me.
One of the big reasons for NVIDIA's poor driver repuation is that historically (its still a little bit worse, but has gotten significantly better) the proprietary NVIDIA drivers lacked proper Wayland support and any Wayland desktop environments and window managers would be broken on it. This was a problem as distros and desktop environments started to move towards Wayland as a default.

Some other big reasons: It's proprietary software (which is itself a disadvantage), has the potential to break if the kernel updates before it, and it is not compatible with secure boot requiring it to be disabled.

We are somewhat close to seeing actually viable alternatives to NVIDIA's proprietary drivers, but for now if you want to reasonably game on an NVIDIA GPU, the proprietary drivers are your only way.

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♥ RubyRose ♥님이 먼저 게시:
Oh my, okay thank you very much, ill look into this KDE Plasma, and the kubuntu, all of you have been so helpful! :heartp:

Kubuntu if you want something based on Ubuntu, Fedora KDE spin if you want a fedora distro. Also the Steam Deck's "desktop mode" uses KDE as well. The fact so many distros still default to Gnome is mind boggling.

Mainly because over the past 20 years, GNOME has become the most popular desktop environment used as a default by the most popular distros. There is no real reason for these distros to change their desktop environments since GNOME has garnered a large (largest on the GNU/Linux desktop) userbase who appreciates the way things are done in GNOME compared to other desktop interfaces.

Many things can be said about GNOME, but one thing that is undeniable is that GNOME is basically the most polished and easy to use desktop GUI like no other on not only GNU/Linux, but the entire desktop operating system space. It has at this point, cemented itself as the face of desktop GNU/Linux.

It might not have the same amount of customisation options as KDE does, but not everyone needs that. Some people need something that just works well out of the box with good defaults, and GNOME does that beautifully well.

If you are wondering, yes I am biased. I have been using GNOME for about as long as I've been using computers in general. I doubt I am the only person who shares this viewpoint though.
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Zygfryd 2024년 4월 1일 오후 2시 31분 
The problem with GNOME is that its developers are very opinionated and have few reservations about changing or removing features to suit their vision, and alienating the part of the userbase that was attached to them. I've been using GNOME 3 for a couple years, but it just kept making me angry and moving to KDE was a relief. Even if it's not very polished, hasn't been since KDE 3.

The problem with KDE is that every time it stabilizes, a new major version of Qt comes around and things start breaking again. Plasma 5 is okayish, they never got the plasmid/panel editing interface to work well though. I'm hesitant to move to anything else, because I love KDEConnect, and only KDE and GNOME have that integrated.

I have a much higher tolerance for bugs, than for willful disruption, so I'm never going back to GNOME for the sake of my own sanity.
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L.o.D. 2024년 4월 1일 오후 5시 09분 
smallcat님이 먼저 게시:
energy bills could be less of an issue

Never understood why people keep claiming that as I have yet to EVER see my energy bill increase from using any PC.
I'm in Canada as well.
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