Linux, AMD, Questions, New Pc Soon

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I've recently swapped to linux mint, since windows is just so bloated and annoying to deal with nowadays, I'm currently on a 3060 RTX, with a Intel i5-10400 (12) 4.3 GHz and 16gb 3200Ghz ram. I'm planning to buy an entire new computer in or around 1.5 months give or take, and wanted to know what I should be aiming to get, but Ive never used AMD in my entire lifespan, and wanted to know whats what. Ive been told AMD is great on linux, and that nvidia suffers on it. My price range is 2000-2500$, I'm looking to get a rig capable of playing the next new titles for hopefully 3 more years from today, so if anyone knows what GPU and CPU's are a exceptionally huge upgrade and can inform me about AMD and linux of the likes that would be fantastic!

PS, I know nothing of AMD at all, and I only know the higher the number on nvidia the better it is from the last one xD, as for CPU's i'm also completely stupid to. Also only had linux for 2 weeks so any help or tips with that is also fantastic!

[ugafan]

CPU: 7800x3D
GPU: 7900 XTX

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Origineel geplaatst door ugafan:

CPU: 7800x3D
GPU: 7900 XTX

thanks, ill look into them

[Ulfrinn]

AMD on Linux is actually better than AMD on Windows. What you're going to want to use is the Mesa driver often called "vulkan-radeon" in many package managers. That is, if you do go with AMD. Nvidia tends to use their own proprietary drivers on Linux which can some times cause issues that nobody else is allowed to fix. Intel also has some of the best open source support as well, and the Mesa driver for Intel runs the Arc series graphics card from Intel flawlessly. I've been using a $270 A770 with 16gb VRAM for the past 6 months and have had no issues.

[N3tRunn3r]

Origineel geplaatst door smallcat:

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I dont like Linux cuz it s still unpolished ....

... unpolished for gaming ...

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Origineel geplaatst door Ulfrinn:

AMD on Linux is actually better than AMD on Windows. What you're going to want to use is the Mesa driver often called "vulkan-radeon" in many package managers. That is, if you do go with AMD. Nvidia tends to use their own proprietary drivers on Linux which can some times cause issues that nobody else is allowed to fix. Intel also has some of the best open source support as well, and the Mesa driver for Intel runs the Arc series graphics card from Intel flawlessly. I've been using a $270 A770 with 16gb VRAM for the past 6 months and have had no issues.

Would this be good? Ive been googling and watching random videos, and was wondering what you think about them.

cpu: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
gpu: Radeon RX 7900 XT 20GB

[Ulfrinn]

Origineel geplaatst door ♥ RubyRose ♥:

Origineel geplaatst door Ulfrinn:

AMD on Linux is actually better than AMD on Windows. What you're going to want to use is the Mesa driver often called "vulkan-radeon" in many package managers. That is, if you do go with AMD. Nvidia tends to use their own proprietary drivers on Linux which can some times cause issues that nobody else is allowed to fix. Intel also has some of the best open source support as well, and the Mesa driver for Intel runs the Arc series graphics card from Intel flawlessly. I've been using a $270 A770 with 16gb VRAM for the past 6 months and have had no issues.

Would this be good? Ive been googling and watching random videos, and was wondering what you think about them.

cpu: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
gpu: Radeon RX 7900 XT 20GB

You'll probably never come close to utilizing all of that in any gaming any time soon and by time you do, that GPU will be two or more generations old. You're better off with a Ryzen 5 and a GPU more around the 7600-7700 range unless you're just made of money and looking to waste some.

[C1REX]

I personally never understood why everybody is saying that AMD has better Linux drivers.
I never had any problems with Nvidia drivers. The only thing is you need to install them when AMD more often comes pre installed. That's the main difference for me.

[Ulfrinn]

Origineel geplaatst door C1REX:

I personally never understood why everybody is saying that AMD has better Linux drivers.
I never had any problems with Nvidia drivers. The only thing is you need to install them when AMD more often comes pre installed. That's the main difference for me.

Nvidia drivers are about average for Nvidia drivers. The problem is, they're entirely closed source and proprietary and Nvidia has historically not put much effort into developing Linux drivers. The best driver for AMD and Intel on Linux are Mesa. Both AMD and Intel make specs, data, and information on their hardware publicly available, so people like those working at Mesa can create better Linux specific drivers, which they do.

Mesa drivers on Linux actually work better than AMD's drivers on Windows.

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Origineel geplaatst door C1REX:

I personally never understood why everybody is saying that AMD has better Linux drivers.
I never had any problems with Nvidia drivers. The only thing is you need to install them when AMD more often comes pre installed. That's the main difference for me.

Nvidia drivers are about average for Nvidia drivers. The problem is, they're entirely closed source and proprietary and Nvidia has historically not put much effort into developing Linux drivers. The best driver for AMD and Intel on Linux are Mesa. Both AMD and Intel make specs, data, and information on their hardware publicly available, so people like those working at Mesa can create better Linux specific drivers, which they do.

Mesa drivers on Linux actually work better than AMD's drivers on Windows.

Thats actually really cool, I never understood what open source really was till I got on linux, but I can see why people want/like it, everythings better when you can all work on it and see how it works rather than 1 person doing all the changes or looking it over... Or at least thats how im seeing it currently. I'm def going for AMD though when i upgrade, ive seen some videos, and while its version of dlss isnt as good, ive never used it much anyway, same with ray tracing, ive never understood why a slight change is so "huge and wanted". Thanks for the information!

[C1REX]

Origineel geplaatst door Ulfrinn:

Mesa drivers on Linux actually work better than AMD's drivers on Windows.

In what way it's better? Serious, genuine question.
Performance? Stability? Features?
I personally have zero problems with AMD drivers on Windows and Linux drivers are missing many features like driver's level frame generation (AMFM) with a very low chance it will be ever implemented.
Well, the whole Adrenaline software is missing on Linux :(

[Tonepoet]

I'm not so sure I'd build a computer for that amount of money until new hardware hit, but smallcat is right. The only thing out of reach is a 4090, 'cause that's basically the whole budget right there. You could build something like this:

• The 7800X3D is like, $357.
  
• A Thermaltake Peerless Assassin is $33
  
• 32 Gigabytes of G. Skill Flare X5 DDR 6000 CL 36 R.A.M. is $92
  
• A Gigabyte Asorus Gen 1. 12000 1 TB M.2 P.C.I.E. 5.0 drive is $230.
  
• An Asus Tuff Gaming RTX 4080 Super is $999.
  
• A Corsair 4000D Airflow Mid Tower Case is $89
  
• A Thermaltake Toughpower GX3 80+ Gold P.S.U. is $90
  
• An Asus Prime x670-P Wifi A.T.X. motherboard is $200

You're looking at a cost of $2100 for all that right here right now for a roughly top of the line computer, based on the best prices for those items on P.C. part picker. I'm not bothering to provide links 'cause prices will fluctuate in the next couple of months and the exact models of whatever that make sense will too as a result. I think that's a fairly exemplary system in your price bracket though.

Make sure your new P.S.U. has an 12VHPWR connector. I'd probably be looking more at a 1tb P.C.I.E. 3.0 m.2 S.S.D. for the better cost per gigabyte ratio though. It'd cost way less and I don't really think the speed difference is meaningful for a gaming computer.

I'm not so sure I'd drop $2000+ on hardware unless I heard new parts were being released, or it was a black friday type deal though.

Maybe I'd go with Intel if the new C.P.U. socket drops in the intervening months.

Oh, and the Nvidia 4070 Super, 4070 Super Ti and the 4080 Super are basically the newest cards available until the RTX 5000 or Radeon RX 8000 series is expected to drop, so if you want the best thing available the 4080 Super is it.

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Origineel geplaatst door C1REX:

Origineel geplaatst door Ulfrinn:

Mesa drivers on Linux actually work better than AMD's drivers on Windows.

In what way it's better? Serious, genuine question.
Performance? Stability? Features?
I personally have zero problems with AMD drivers on Windows and Linux drivers are missing many features like driver's level frame generation (AMFM) with a very low chance it will be ever implemented.
Well, the whole Adrenaline software is missing on Linux :(

More stable, higher performing, etc. You won't have much issue with their drivers on Windows from a stability standpoint. But from raw performance, a native game on Linux vs a native game on Windows with AMDs Windows drivers vs Linux Mesa, Even through compatibility layers like DXVK/Proton, games running on AMD are already getting higher frame rates on Linux than on Windows.

One reason why a group like Mesa is able to make a driver that is so much better on Linux than what you can get on Window is because with Linux being open source, kernels being moddable, upgradable, it gives developers access to deeper control over the system that just isn't available on Windows.

I'll take over that over the adrenaline software, which isn't that good anyway.

[C1REX]

Origineel geplaatst door Ulfrinn:

I'll take over that over the adrenaline software, which isn't that good anyway.

I personally really like the Adrenaline software and for me personally it's one of the argument for AMD. I use a lot of AMD's version of shadow play and unlike NVIDIA it let me record temporary files in RAM while costing close to no performance. I also occasionally use driver's level upscaling, frame generation, Radeon Chill or normal frame limiter, FreeSync, Anti-Lag and monitoring OSD that is often the most convenient option.

Some selected games, if they even work on Linux, can have more frames on Linux but they often have completely butchered frame time and can feel stuttery all the time. Many other games have worse performance or other problems on Linux.

Here is a good example of constant stutters on Linux. 120fps and can feel worse than console's 30 with such stutters.
https://youtu.be/huQyh1zoyNA?si=wwGcPdZsODpvB4Rf

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Origineel geplaatst door C1REX:

Origineel geplaatst door Ulfrinn:

I'll take over that over the adrenaline software, which isn't that good anyway.

I personally really like the Adrenaline software and for me personally it's one of the argument for AMD. I use a lot of AMD's version of shadow play and unlike NVIDIA it let me record temporary files in RAM while costing close to no performance. I also occasionally use driver's level upscaling, frame generation, Radeon Chill or normal frame limiter, FreeSync, Anti-Lag and monitoring OSD that is often the most convenient option.

Some selected games, if they even work on Linux, can have more frames on Linux but they often have completely butchered frame time and can feel stuttery all the time. Many other games have worse performance or other problems on Linux.

Here is a good example of constant stutters on Linux. 120fps and can feel worse than console's 30 with such stutters.
https://youtu.be/huQyh1zoyNA?si=wwGcPdZsODpvB4Rf

They really don't. They're actually more stable with less stutter. The stutter you may have noticed in the past would have been when people were using a very old windowing system known as x11. X11 has largely been replaced with Wayland which doesn't have any of those issues that you mentioned. Certain compositors which generate desktop effects like animated window effects cause a stutter issue as well.

Also, you do know freesync, throttling, scaling, and all of that is still on Linux and has been for several years. You're going on some very old information.

[AbedsBrother]

Check that the games you want to play will actually work on Linux
https://www.protondb.com/

If they don't, or work poorly, there's no point in bothering with Linux.