OLED displays users, how is the burn-in?
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For those of you using OLED (organic light-emitting diode) displays, how bad is the burn-in/image retentiion? Looking at possibly getting into the OLED diplay game in the next year or so (2025-2026), and the problems with burn-in are the main detractor for me. Also, I read that text clarity can be an issue.

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Crawl lähetti viestin:
Tiberius lähetti viestin:
If burn-in is a non issue, more and more oled manufacturers wouldv put a warranty against it.

All those anti burn-in features are just another marketing gimmick to lure the gullible customers.

You mean like the 3 year warranty that most current OLEDs have that covers burn in?

When you say most, you mean very few LG and dell oled models. Not samsung, not sony, not panasonic, certainly not most of the rebranded oled monitor.

Even LG only offers 2 years warranty.

But yea... most oleds 👌
ChickenTacos lähetti viestin:
nullable lähetti viestin:

TN: Crappy viewing angles, poor color accuracy.

Each panel type has some pros and cons.
The viewing angle ain't a problem when you're sitting right in front of it, center-on, friend. A null point, really.

Poor color accuracy? Looks mighty fine to me! Calibration is a thing. :steamthumbsup::steamhappy:

Wait you can calibrate your way out of TN having bad colors? I thought they literally could not display as many colors as IPS. Simply less color depth or whatever I am thinking of.
Tiberius lähetti viestin:
Crawl lähetti viestin:

You mean like the 3 year warranty that most current OLEDs have that covers burn in?

When you say most, you mean very few LG and dell oled models. Not samsung, not sony, not panasonic, certainly not most of the rebranded oled monitor.

Even LG only offers 2 years warranty.

But yea... most oleds 👌

MSI - 3 years, Gigabyte - 3 years, Asus - 3 years, Corsair - 3 years, dell - 3 years, LG - 2 years and yes I would say that covers most OLED monitors.
A. X. Ґриесбач lähetti viestin:
ChickenTacos lähetti viestin:
The viewing angle ain't a problem when you're sitting right in front of it, center-on, friend. A null point, really.

Poor color accuracy? Looks mighty fine to me! Calibration is a thing. :steamthumbsup::steamhappy:

Wait you can calibrate your way out of TN having bad colors? I thought they literally could not display as many colors as IPS. Simply less color depth or whatever I am thinking of.
You can calibrate them to look good, but, they will not all of a sudden have as many or more colors than an IPS panel.

IPS panels usually do have more colors than TN panels, however, more colors doesn't always mean better overall viewing comfort or performance. I'd rather have a balanced color gamut without any glaring issues than a wide color gamut with glaring issues such as color smearing, oversaturation, backlight glow, backlight bleed, poor text clarity, low response time, low contrast ration, slow refresh rate, gray blacks, ghosting, and overshoot. Just to name a few.

I definitely would prefer a TN panel over something amazing that burns in. I am THIS close to getting an OLED in the next year or so, however, that doggone burn-in, bruv! :winter2019angrysnowman:
On my desk, I have an $1300 OLED monitor sat next to a $1400 IPS, and I can tell you the OLED beats the IPS hands down. The IPS is good, for sure, but the picture quality of the OLED is just outstanding.
As long as you are not stupid and perform maintenance as the monitor requests, then burn-in is not an issue.
I still maintain that most of the people who complain about OLED don't actually have one.
Pirate☠️Pocah lähetti viestin:
I can tell you the OLED beats the IPS hands down.
Correct.

I am very much aware of this. OLED is the superior tech when it comes to displays these days. There is just that one MAJOR...

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You know, the burn-in. I'm not dropping 'hunnits' or 'racks' on a braaand new display only to see it degrade right in front of my eyes. If I'm dropping 'hunnits' or 'racks' on a display, it better be flawless or near-flawless indefinitely!
I've only used OLED displays on portable devices.

I've had Samsung phones since the Galaxy S3. I'm currently on an S21 Ultra. I've never experienced burn-in on any of those OLED displays.

My Steam Deck OLED is only about 4 months old, but no burn in so far, and I don't really expect it to for as long as I have it. We'll see.
Haruspex lähetti viestin:
I've only used OLED displays on portable devices.

I've had Samsung phones since the Galaxy S3. I'm currently on an S21 Ultra. I've never experienced burn-in on any of those OLED displays.

My Steam Deck OLED is only about 4 months old, but no burn in so far, and I don't really expect it to for as long as I have it. We'll see.
if you replace them every year or two, you will not notice as much burn in
grab your s7 or similar with its always on display and tell me the clock is not burned in to the screen
_I_ lähetti viestin:
if you replace them every year or two, you will not notice as much burn in
That's right, friends! Replace your thousand-dollar+ OLED display every year or two to avoid OLED burn-in! :steamthumbsup::steamhappy:
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ChickenTacos lähetti viestin:
Pirate☠️Pocah lähetti viestin:
I can tell you the OLED beats the IPS hands down.
Correct.

I am very much aware of this. OLED is the superior tech when it comes to displays these days. There is just that one MAJOR...

MAJOR...

M
A
J
O
R...
catch.

You know, the burn-in. I'm not dropping 'hunnits' or 'racks' on a braaand new display only to see it degrade right in front of my eyes. If I'm dropping 'hunnits' or 'racks' on a display, it better be flawless or near-flawless indefinitely!

But even IPS fades over the years. White LED's change over time.
_I_ 6.3.2024 klo 10.27 
if you turn down backlight to ~75% you wont notice much of a brightness difference, and it will never burn out leds

white leds stay white, color does not change
its the cfl backlit displays that change color as the tubes wear out
ChickenTacos lähetti viestin:
nullable lähetti viestin:

TN: Crappy viewing angles, poor color accuracy.

Each panel type has some pros and cons.
The viewing angle ain't a problem when you're sitting right in front of it, center-on, friend. A null point, really.

Poor color accuracy? Looks mighty fine to me! Calibration is a thing. :steamthumbsup::steamhappy:
The viewing angle on TN absolutely can be a problem. It's not always immediately obvious but this usually shows it for me.

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_angle.php

Here's a picture of it on a (very ancient) IPS. It's poor quality compared to how it actually looks in person, and that's on me for poor photo taking skills (and maybe equipment), but it shows the consistency which is the purpose.

https://imgur.com/a/nRhCSSZ

I'm not going to say every TN looks equally bad or that it's always a problem to everyone, but stating it isn't one ever isn't true for everyone either. Sitting straight on doesn't resolve it at all. It just keeps the shift in place as opposed to moving with you.

You can not color balance something like that. At all. There's a reason professional LCD displays, where color consistency and image accuracy is required, are almost always IPS and not TN.

IPS has its drawbacks, and those are poorer contrast (doesn't do dark shades/Blacks as well), slower response, higher cost, the "IPS glow" (or I like to call it a "sheen" seen mostly on, again, dark scenes), and while it's not inherent to the panel type, you often see this with sometimes aggressive matte AG coating (at least the older/professional targeted ones had it, the newer "gamer" ones might lack it as bad) and while I personally find this more preferable to the glossy extreme at the other end, the sparkly or dirty looking solid colors are not to everyone's liking.

You can't pretend a panel type doesn't have drawbacks. They all do. TN, VA, IPS, and OLED all do.

OLED gives us some of what we lost from CRTs, namely faster response and colors and contrast (but not resolution flexibility). The drawback is cost and the longevity concerns over burn-in FUD. It might not also fare as well in very bright environments. If you can get past the burn in FUD and have the funds for it, it indisputably has the best picture though.

VA is... niche. It does contrast better than the other LCD types (but not OLED) and it's faster than the slowest IPS, but slower than TN, and it's in the middle on viewing angles, but it has some unique ghosting issues of its own on top of LCD ghsoting issues to begin with.

Pick your poison (or rather, find the one that doesn't concern you). Sounds like you're fine with TN viewing angles, and that's fair.If you like it, choose it. But pretending like a drawback it objectively has isn't an issue for anyone because it's not for you isn't correct. People have qualms with IPS and I'm not about to tell them they are wrong.

Even though I don't need the colors to be "accurate", I do desire them to be consistent. The poor viewing angles alone are why I outright rejected the TN panel type when moving from CRT to LCD to begin with. I've been on IPS from the start with LCDs, and even that was me just picking the "least bad" (and crying over some of the things I missed from CRTs, so I'm hoping OLED gets cheaper and proves itself over time with the burn in FUD because after all, CRTs and even LCDs had that issue and it got better for them). I can tolerate IPS until then.
Viimeisin muokkaaja on Illusion of Progress; 6.3.2024 klo 11.31
This guy has some really good videos on just about every product and goes into great detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUXTnRX19SM

His video on the topic is all encompassing. He pretty much says once you make sure to enable the anti burn-in features and keep them on you shouldn't have any major issues. One of the big ones is pixel refreshing and pixel cycling when the monitor is turned off after a certain amount of time in use.

If you're going to go OLED just go big in my opinion.

Find out if you're going for Super Ultra Wide 1440p, 4k or just want a standard monitor. I would honestly suggest looking at LG or Samsung, specifically the Odyssey G9 OLED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSTds2SjxsU

I got the above monitor and I simply won't ever look back. I'd heard so much from so many different sources on the topic of different monitors, pricing, panels and opinions ranging from "definitely go for this" to flat out saying "No, it's horrible" but I took the plunge and it's great.

Another type of monitor I swear by is curved monitors. Curved is the way to go. I'm never going back to a straight flat monitor it's just that much better and with the G9 OLED being so wide it's just ten times better.

It is expensive though at 1,600-1,800 but sometimes it's on sale for 1,400. If you've got the money just splurge on it and be happy for the next five-10 years not needing to worry about any major monitor upgrade.
_I_ lähetti viestin:
if you turn down backlight to ~75% you wont notice much of a brightness difference, and it will never burn out leds

white leds stay white, color does not change
its the cfl backlit displays that change color as the tubes wear out

White LEDs become more blue over time.
I got an s95b 55" and 4k amoled portable display 13" but these are not the only oled displays that I use. my iphone, ps vita and laptop have oled screens too.

never had an issue with burn-in but I never run my displays at 100% brightness or for hours on end.
I still have a samsung phone from years ago when I was in school. used to play all kinds of games on it and use it to watch content. still has no permanent image retention.

however I suggest you be careful with the new oled monitors. bought a qd oled monitor and it developed permanent image retention in just two months with moderate use. we are talking about 1-2 maybe daily on average at 10-25% brightness.


Crawl lähetti viestin:
You mean like the 2-3 year warranty that current OLEDs have that covers burn in?
the warranty is meaningless when the manufacturer or vendor refuses to uphold their part of the bargain. my qd oled had burn in and it took me weeks until we settled for a full refund.

he is also correct about pixel shift being a gimmick. it does absolutely nothing to prevent burn in because no logo in our world is just 1 pixel wide. the same feature existed for plasma too and didn't do a whole lot of good either.

the only thing that helps is pixel refresh. if you can call it even that.
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