NVIDIA WOES with GTX1060 6gb and Nvidia control panel
So! Decided to post here again after my previous thread mid last year got lots of help (Thanks to all!) and simply can't find a clear answer online for both these issues. I haven't been gaming for several months due to work and finally fired up this laptop again and all sorts of problems happened. Fixed most, recovered unrecognised drive through BIOS etc., but Nvidia is being a real problem as of... today!

1. Nivida Control panel, I re-enabled it through msconfig however it has a windowed message :

"NVIDIA display settings are not available.
You are not currently using a display attached to an NVIDIA GPU"

This maybe...:
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5233/related/1
>
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/522914/geforce-grd-53667-feedback-thread-released-71823/
?


2. Which drivers really are the best for GTX 1060 6GB notebook version? I read that Nvidia drivers are no longer being updated for Pascal type GPUs and support officially ended October last year? Nvidia doesn't list the last driver really focused for the 10 series and also with Vulkan of course as some games such as Gladius require that to run? WHich was earliest rollback that has stable and has Vulkan included for Nvidia drivers? There are reports of wwaayy beter performance for gtx cards using older drivers than current driver versions.

Running serious heat too, CPU and GPU with fans at full playing even RTWII. I forgot to do the repaste but will in very near future (As per my last thread as a resolution, overwhelmingly heh...). I am now experienced more with laptop having opened it for a process to recover main drive. Main drive is an SSD. 16gb ram. Both generic :S But don't want to invest too much into this laptop. Just want bare minimum for reducing heat and making sure GPU is running optimally.

My current driver version is :
536.67
Using an Acer Predator 3571G (Something, lappy)


Here are some interesting sources I've been reading on this subject (Q 2.) but time is a bit of an issue. :

Nvidia drivers 531.61 - and out of memory SD XL problem
https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/15nejmn/nvidia_drivers_53161_and_out_of_memory_sd_xl/

PSA: Old NVidia drivers work better than new ones? Any reason why?
https://steamcommunity.com/app/990080/discussions/0/3821912152402038475/

Best Driver for GTX 1060 on windows 10
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/best-driver-for-gtx-1060-on-windows-10.3700438/#post-22298013

ideal nvidia 4xx driver for a gtx 1060 3gb? (tried posting on nvidia, but it got removed)
https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/12rall0/ideal_nvidia_4xx_driver_for_a_gtx_1060_3gb_tried/
> Especially this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/12rall0/comment/k0rbxu4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button


And the best for last...

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/why-do-most-drivers-run-badly-gtx-1060-6gb.3700547/post-22298884

Said it all for me.... yet really, I just want the most optimal NVIDIA driver for GTX 1060 6gb GPU, that includes Vulkan Drivers as well.


Thanks for any advice and assistance!


P.S.
Some random links of interest :

[PSA] Do NOT Update Your Nvidia GPU Drivers to Version 471.11 OR 471.41 (SOLVED IN 471.68)
THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN FIXED AT DRIVER VERSION 471.68

https://steamcommunity.com/app/582010/discussions/3/3052862273820185656/?l=czech&ctp=2
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_I_ 4 Mar 2024 @ 1:55am 
be specific when listing model numbers
exactly acer Predator G3-571?
if not do not grab these drivers

make sure you are installing the laptop gpu driver and also the intel uhd driver

the mobile and desktop gpus have the same names now, but they are nowhere near the same gpu
they have the same core, but use them in differnt ways

the nvidia gpu is not attached to any displays, it writes to the intel uhd frame buffer for that to display
the intel uhd controls vsync and res and other settings, they talk to each other



chipset, audio, bt drivers here
https://www.acer.com/us-en/support/product-support/Predator_G3-571

intel uhd driver here for i7 7700hq
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/97185/intel-core-i77700hq-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-80-ghz/downloads.html

nvidia 1060 mobile driver
https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/221746/en-us/
Terakhir diedit oleh _I_; 4 Mar 2024 @ 1:58am
When it comes to Intel Drivers; desktops or laptops; just use this:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/detect.html

First wipe all the Intel and NVIDIA related driver installs off the system and reboot as needed; then use the above link to detect and get all your Intel branded hardware drivers installed with latest drivers. Then reboot as needed and install the nvidia one linked in post above this one. Reboot once more when done with that, then configure the NVIDIA Control Panel and set the High Performance GPU as the Global Default and set the Power Management to Prefer Max Performance.
Terakhir diedit oleh Bad 💀 Motha; 4 Mar 2024 @ 2:29am
Hhmmm looking for something more like this :

https://www.nvidia.com/download/find.aspx#

Lists ALL drivers by date for each model, up until May last year for GTX 1060...
Terakhir diedit oleh 8-The-General-8; 4 Mar 2024 @ 3:22am
The GTX 1060 and Pascal is still supported with the latest drivers. Kepler (GeForce 600 and 700 series) and older is no longer supported. Maxwell (GeForce 900 series plus GTX 750 Ti) and Pascal (GeForce 1000 series) and newer are supported. That's where the support line currently is for nVidia.

There's been another round of security issues identified and resolved with nVidia's drivers[nvidia.custhelp.com] (after one or two similar last year), and they're even making releases for Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 as well as Kepler GPUs, which are normally not supported, so I would use the latest ones here unless you have a very good reason not to. Min-maxing performance on an old GTX 1060 isn't likely to be worth the potential security tradeoffs here, but I admit that's just my opinion.
Terakhir diedit oleh Illusion of Progress; 4 Mar 2024 @ 4:24am
Raoul 4 Mar 2024 @ 4:52am 
Diposting pertama kali oleh Illusion of Progress:
There's been another round of security issues identified and resolved with nVidia's drivers[nvidia.custhelp.com] (after one or two similar last year), and they're even making releases for Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 as well as Kepler GPUs, which are normally not supported, so I would use the latest ones here unless you have a very good reason not to. Min-maxing performance on an old GTX 1060 isn't likely to be worth the potential security tradeoffs here, but I admit that's just my opinion.

This is useful thanks :steamthumbsup:
"Windows contains a vulnerability in the user mode layer, where an unprivileged regular user can cause an out-of-bounds write. A successful exploit of this vulnerability may lead to code execution, denial of service, escalation of privileges, information disclosure, and data tampering."
Worth doing an update for driver versions prior to 551.61.
Terakhir diedit oleh Raoul; 4 Mar 2024 @ 4:53am
Well, SOLVED Q1.!

1. Nivida Control panel, I re-enabled it through msconfig however it has a windowed message :

"NVIDIA display settings are not available.
You are not currently using a display attached to an NVIDIA GPU"

My taskmanager went AWOL too and this process fixed both:

I started at B)
https://enterprise-support.nvidia.com/s/article/The-NVIDIA-Control-Panel-app-is-not-installed

Step 1 from here ...
https://support.microsoft.com/en-au/account-billing/microsoft-store-doesn-t-open-126a875d-8b72-def1-0af6-d325276a058b

"Microsoft Store doesn't open
Microsoft Support
https://support.microsoft.com › en-au › account-billing
Microsoft Store doesn't open · Reset the Microsoft Store cache: Press the Windows Logo Key + R to open the Run dialog box, type wsreset.exe, and then select OK."

Both Taskmngr and Nvidia rightclick control panel working now...

I must have botched some reg keys when trying to work out how to recover main drive without a restore point : O (Which I did successfully using WIN repair Chkdisk /r

Yay! Back in business but damned tired...10 hours of fun and focus gone forever I suppose. Hope this helps someone.

Still, Q 2., if anyone has a similar system to me (GTX 1660 6gb in a Predator G3-571) and using a driver close to October 2023 after which they reckon they don't include updates to NVIDIA Drivers for 10series Pascal GPUs, please feel free to give me a clue.


Thanks all!
The GeForce 1000 series is still supported in current drivers though.
Or just do a DDU wipe of everything GPU related, reboot and install latest driver package from Nvidia website
Diposting pertama kali oleh Illusion of Progress:
The GeForce 1000 series is still supported in current drivers though.

Ok but if you look at the link I posted as last but not least above, look at that guy's stats in forum there... He is the GPU master lol!... I kinda relate to what he says and other reports around the net seem to support his statement. A particular driver is highlighted as optimal performance and similar experiences are posted here and there that seem to back their word. SUre, it may be some time ago but still, it seems relevant even more now.

I understand the security fixes but I also see that latest drivers may not be so healthy for older GPUs. Well, according to what I have read. Performance is the true indicator, not incomplete notes posted on NVIDIA site. Reddit seems to outline the best details in my experience and reading about some driver updates there you see nothing to do with older GPUs, often...

It also makes sense that certain processes in those drivers would actually maybe hinder an older GPU's performance in a way to encourage continuous upgrading and keeping a ubiquitous market 'thriving'.

Just my two cents. I will of course get a really good laptop in time but I just want to play the games I have optimally and have zero interest in the majority of so called AAA games currently. Same old, same old, cheaters galore or the rig seems to be a factor in outcomes (fair enough yet...), or worse, the player base is some sort of psychological marketing experiment and the human element to gaming seems to be slowly eroding.

THanks for posts and input. Really appreciate it.
Diposting pertama kali oleh Bad 💀 Motha:
Or just do a DDU wipe of everything GPU related, reboot and install latest driver package from Nvidia website

Yeah DDU is essential. I made a mistake of having internet connected first time and MS installed a driver in gpu Oo... Great tool!
MS is going to install a basic driver regardless of internet connection as that is normal for WINOS to do that. You wait until that is done thenrun the Nvidia driver package installer. Reboot when it's install has completed
Terakhir diedit oleh Bad 💀 Motha; 4 Mar 2024 @ 4:23pm
Diposting pertama kali oleh Bad 💀 Motha:
MS is going to install a basic driver regardless of internet connection as that is normal for WINOS to do that. You wait until that is done thenrun the Nvidia driver package installer. Reboot when it's install has completed

Yep, all good thanks : D
Diposting pertama kali oleh 8-The-General-8:
Diposting pertama kali oleh Illusion of Progress:
The GeForce 1000 series is still supported in current drivers though.

Ok but if you look at the link I posted as last but not least above, look at that guy's stats in forum there... He is the GPU master lol!... I kinda relate to what he says and other reports around the net seem to support his statement. A particular driver is highlighted as optimal performance and similar experiences are posted here and there that seem to back their word. SUre, it may be some time ago but still, it seems relevant even more now.
Well sure, you're free to stick to older driver versions if you have some idea that they might be the ideal performance because there's community consensus on it. I have no comment on that since I haven't tested the driver lineup on a GTX 1060 in various conditions to see if there's a trend one way or the other. That's a personal choice based on community consensus though. And I'd be asking if this community consensus has any facts behind it or not. Sometimes it does, and others it doesn't and you're doing it with faith. Personal remark, but I wouldn't be staying on known compromised drivers on faith that an older one is better to min-max a GTX 1060 in 2024. Not unless there was a proven difference in something (or multiple somethings) I play and it was large enough to gamble with the security risks.

Either way, I was just describing that the latest drivers do, in fact, support the GTX 1060 since your wording seem confusing. You seemed like you thought "as of late 2023, it lost updates" and that's not true. It just got one.

Everyone likes to have this fascination that "drivers focus on the latest architectures so older ones gain nothing or even lose performance" but drivers are far more complicated than that. They make a lot of changes, sometimes to work around game issues and sometimes to bring features or security fixes. Sometimes games want a certain driver version or newer. Squeezing a bit more performance out of the latest and greatest for a day one game driver is what gets the press release attention, but that doesn't mean that's the only thing to driver updates.
Diposting pertama kali oleh Illusion of Progress:
Diposting pertama kali oleh 8-The-General-8:

Ok but if you look at the link I posted as last but not least above, look at that guy's stats in forum there... He is the GPU master lol!... I kinda relate to what he says and other reports around the net seem to support his statement. A particular driver is highlighted as optimal performance and similar experiences are posted here and there that seem to back their word. SUre, it may be some time ago but still, it seems relevant even more now.
Well sure, you're free to stick to older driver versions if you have some idea that they might be the ideal performance because there's community consensus on it. I have no comment on that since I haven't tested the driver lineup on a GTX 1060 in various conditions to see if there's a trend one way or the other. That's a personal choice based on community consensus though. And I'd be asking if this community consensus has any facts behind it or not. Sometimes it does, and others it doesn't and you're doing it with faith. Personal remark, but I wouldn't be staying on known compromised drivers on faith that an older one is better to min-max a GTX 1060 in 2024. Not unless there was a proven difference in something (or multiple somethings) I play and it was large enough to gamble with the security risks.

Either way, I was just describing that the latest drivers do, in fact, support the GTX 1060 since your wording seem confusing. You seemed like you thought "as of late 2023, it lost updates" and that's not true. It just got one.

Everyone likes to have this fascination that "drivers focus on the latest architectures so older ones gain nothing or even lose performance" but drivers are far more complicated than that. They make a lot of changes, sometimes to work around game issues and sometimes to bring features or security fixes. Sometimes games want a certain driver version or newer. Squeezing a bit more performance out of the latest and greatest for a day one game driver is what gets the press release attention, but that doesn't mean that's the only thing to driver updates.

One could consider it could be just bad dev in games as well? Why should a GPU manufacturer need to find solutions to a game that may use bad coding in the first place? Just a thought.

Thank you so much for your well thought out reply. You are right, at the time I was writing really quick and trying to get the gist of the problem across.

I suppose it is my choice to prefer an earlier version of driver based on what I read and a few other realisations made. Such as an older laptop I used I didn't update drivers for years and ran everything, including Warhammer 2, perfectly well (I mean, I didn't have everything on 'Ultra' but I didn't get random crashes or other issues neither). Meanwhile, people were having issues with the latest drivers all over the place with that game alone. Must admit, CA are lazy dev anyway but that's one concrete example in my experience.

So, through what I read and saw myself I think I will just occasionally install recommended (Overwhelmingly, if possible) drivers until I find that golden goose. I just hope I don't fry it or anything lol...

Although a very nice laptop design, in my opinion, and even though Acer shafted this particular model at least, Acer Care and Predator Sense are an absolute joke,I may as well go for experimental gold with it.

I suppose this thread has gone from asking from advice to seeking reports on drivers that perform. So, I will seek that elsewhere now but still, any users of a similar setup I'd appreciate their experience using older drivers for GTX 1060 (6gb).

Thanks very much.
Diposting pertama kali oleh 8-The-General-8:
One could consider it could be just bad dev in games as well? Why should a GPU manufacturer need to find solutions to a game that may use bad coding in the first place? Just a thought.
I'm neither a game developer or a software writer so I can only share thoughts and opinions here myself.

But regardless of who is "at fault", it's still in nVidia's interest to resolve issues if they can because it improves the experience of their ecosystem. So it indirectly benefits them.

An example with Minecraft comes to mind. Certain older versions (releases 1.0 through 1.7) apparently weren't to conformant in some OpenGL stuff? Recent drivers from many if not all brands have on and off been "broken" in that range of game versions, perhaps because they have tighter OpenGL tolerances now. First Intel drivers (with IGPs so this wasn't some Arc only thing) started showing the issue, and then nVidia (and AMD?) drivers. Last I tried with current AMD drivers those versions render fine though. Because they are older game versions, the fix was made in newer ones.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GoldenAgeMinecraft/comments/yzjqkb/minecraft_visualgraphic_glitches_from_10_to_1710/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MinecraftHelp/comments/yr7g8b/java_completely_broken_visuals_on_mc_1710_nvidia/

So this is a case of "do you either leave a looser tolerance for OpenGL in your drivers or make a workaround for Minecraft?". Minecraft might be the issue, but it's sort of a popular game, so knowingly breaking it even if it's the fault of the game and not you might not go well. The reason it probably happens now is those versions are old and rather unpopular (1.7 is still somewhat popular for mods though).

I'm sure the examples with other games are countless.

Diposting pertama kali oleh 8-The-General-8:
I suppose this thread has gone from asking from advice to seeking reports on drivers that perform. So, I will seek that elsewhere now but still, any users of a similar setup I'd appreciate their experience using older drivers for GTX 1060 (6gb).
I was using a GTX 1060 until mid-late last year, and then again as the year turned when the new one had to be returned for RMA.

During that second time window, I did have one small issue with the then-latest drivers (I think 55x.xx but I'm not exact on that). I had an issue where the taskbar for Windows 10 wasn't rendering properly. It had that "hardware acceleration isn't fully in effect" look. I restarted and it didn't fix it, so I reinstalled the drivers and it persisted. I knew something was up, so I searched the web and found out it's a possibility on some GPUs and drivers. Went back to the last drivers I used when I was still using it, which I want to say was 536.xx, and it cleared it up.

Other than that I had no issues with any drivers on that card (other than staying on 373.06 for years after I bought it, again due to a Minecraft scenario where nVidia's drivers broke anti-aliasing after that version and again I presume nVidia probably tightened some tolerances since this happened right after the game updated to 1.7 and lost actual support for it anyway, so they probably figured it'd impact next to nobody [there was still a way to force it to work for a while by making a change on Minecraft's end which is how I was able to still try it]). If I was using it today, I'd probably just install the latest and only go back to something older if I had issues. That's largely because of the aforementioned resolved security issues in the last year or two of nVidia's drivers. I'd put that above min-maxing "using the best driver" unless I tested the newest and found it had drastically worse performance results in a chosen game. And that's probably your best here; test it yourself and see.
Terakhir diedit oleh Illusion of Progress; 6 Mar 2024 @ 4:57am
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