Bump up from gtx 1660 super

[RJS]

What's a bump up from the 1660 super?

I'm going to upgrade mobo/cpu and ram (currently ddr3). In a pinch I wouldn't mind just keeping the card since most gaming I do is more RAM intensive than graphics but I also intend to ditch windows for linux. I figure why not look at graphics options too.

I'm pretty sure the card would still hold it's own upgrading to a ddr4 system but not sure how well the card will play with linux. It also doesn't support ray tracing (at least not properly).

This card was considered a powerhouse for the budget segment when it was current, today what's a step up but not 900+ bucks and also plays nice driver-wise with linux?

[Miki mac fiddlement]

I am not familiar with Linux, but if 1660 super is doing well for you, then you can keep it for a bit, but your next upgrade you might want to look into GPUs with 12+ VRAM, whether 4060 which supports RT pretty well, but depends on your preferred resolution, and also DLSS 3.5 and other cool features, only issue is the VRAM is a bit low for the price...

You could still go for cheap and get 3060 12gb and still get a decent upgrade from it.

I could be wrong, in a few things, so yeah hope it helps.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

7800 XT or 7900 GRE / XT / XTX is your best bet, especially with Linux.

Without any special sales events / discounts...
7800 XT is around $500
7900 GRE is around $550

[Iron Knights]

You are then asking in the wrong forum, I think Linux works with AMD now, ask in the Linux forums. Picked a Distribution yet ? Even more focused, ask in that forum.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Linux has basically always worked better with AMD GPUs.
Not that it can't work with NVIDIA GPUs, but some Linux distros are more picky then others when it comes to NVIDIA GPUs.

[RJS]

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You are then asking in the wrong forum, I think Linux works with AMD now, ask in the Linux forums. Picked a Distribution yet ? Even more focused, ask in that forum.

I'm thinking about trying steam's os. 20 years ago I hacked together gui-less systems with parts on table, no case, and slackware on cd sets because I was poor been 20 years but I got this

[DevaVictrix]

I went from a 1070 (pretty similar to 1660s, I think) to a 3060ti and it's been a decent bump up that didn't cost a fortune.

Linux - nvidia drivers... for me, flawless with x11 but two minor issues with Wayland.
I had to tell my Chromium based browser I was using Wayland (changed it from 'Auto') and a GTK4 Python app I was making was clunky with Wayland also. Probably my fault somewhere. There was an extra step as I booted with secureboot but it was only a matter of enrolling a key to the MOK database... ie, entering my root password. The prompt popped up when I booted.

Otherwise, I don't know what all the fuss is about! My fps match what I see on youtube videos that use Windows.

[BionicSeaSerpent]

you'd wanna immediately dismiss anything Nvdia makes currently. then if you are on an extreme budget, you;d wanna look at an RX 6600. or if you can spend a little more, going for a 7800XT would be adivsable at around the 500-600 dollar mar, hopefully going below that sometime. a cheap used AM4 board with a 5600 is a good bet too. DDR4 is cheap now so don't feel cautious about going to 16 or 32GB of RAM.

[RJS]

Awesome tips thanks.
And I do think nvidia graphics would technically work just fine under linux but just like wifi dongles there's assorted obscure settings and defaults that aren't right or conflict with each other. I dont have time and patience any more to spend a day or two hacking at it then trying to remember what I did next time.

I miss the old days when search engines worked was way easier tracking down obscure linux issues with specifics for situation and hardware involved.

[BionicSeaSerpent]

RJS님이 먼저 게시:

Awesome tips thanks

as long as it means you can be comfortable gaming on a better OS then theres plenty of reason to help a fellow out

[BionicSeaSerpent]

RJS님이 먼저 게시:

Awesome tips thanks.
And I do think nvidia graphics would technically work just fine under linux but just like wifi dongles there's assorted obscure settings and defaults that aren't right or conflict with each other. I dont have time and patience any more to spend a day or two hacking at it then trying to remember what I did next time.

I miss the old days when search engines worked was way easier tracking down obscure linux issues with specifics for situation and hardware involved.

if you pick Nvidia you miss out on having a decent Wayland experience and you can't deal with Gamescope either (which is like a nice compositor), and if you need a reccomendation for a Linux distro. you MUST pick LMDE with the XFCE desktop , it is just mint based on debain instead of ubuntu, you don't want Ubuntu because it has a couple of changes that are in line with what microsoft would do and is.crappy at best. causing genuine issues to developers of aps and software, avoid ubuntu at all costs.

[Tonepoet]

The only cards I'd be looking at right now if the 1660 Super is doing well enough for you are the Nvidia 4000 series Super refresh cards 'cause they launched relatively recently, but they're in an entirely different price class.

Look though, minimum requirements for new games are well below that of a 1660 Super at this point in time, and if it does you well enough, you might as well just keep using it for now, because every dollar you don't spend on an unnecessary G.P.U. upgrade is a dollar you can spend when G.P.Us. refresh.

The card was introduced 5 years ago too, and I think the general rule of thumb is to upgrade about every 3 years. I think it'd be a shame to just barely miss skipping an upgrade cycle and not get as big of a performance uplift as you can out of the time you have already waited.

We're looking at seeing the flagship 5000 series cards and Intel Battlemage being released later this year, and rumor has it that the flagship Nvidia cards will be getting a refresh too. We'll probably start seeing more mid-range cards around next februrary, which will hit that 6 year mark on the nose.

Even if nothing else happens by this day next year, at the very least prices would have likely depreciated, so I'm thinking just wait until then.

[BionicSeaSerpent]

Tonepoet님이 먼저 게시:

The only cards I'd be looking at right now if the 1660 Super is doing well enough for you are the Nvidia 4000 series Super refresh cards 'cause they launched relatively recently, but they're in an entirely different price class.

Look though, minimum requirements for new games are well below that of a 1660 Super at this point in time, and if it does you well enough, you might as well just keep using it for now, because every dollar you don't spend on an unnecessary G.P.U. upgrade is a dollar you can spend when G.P.Us. refresh.

The card was introduced 5 years ago too, and I think the general rule of thumb is to upgrade about every 3 years. I think it'd be a shame to just barely miss skipping an upgrade cycle and not get as big of a performance uplift as you can out of the time you have already waited.

We're looking at seeing the flagship 5000 series cards and Intel Battlemage being released later this year, and rumor has it that the flagship Nvidia cards will be getting a refresh too. We'll probably start seeing more mid-range cards around next februrary, which will hit that 6 year mark on the nose.

Even if nothing else happens by this day next year, at the very least prices would have likely depreciated, so I'm thinking just wait until then.

completely ignored radeon did you?

[UserNotFound]

Steam forum posters have always leaned toward nVidia, like most forums, so posters tend to ignore AMD options.....RT isn't the only end all be all for graphics. An RX 7700 XT is good IF you can get one for below 400USD, or the RX 7800 XT for below 500USD....you're gonna have to look though.

Edit - Even an RX 6700 XT shows quite a nice bump in gaming performance compared to the GTX 1660 Super.

[Tonepoet]

BionicSeaSerpent님이 먼저 게시:

completely ignored radeon did you?

A.M.D's most recent move was to release the 7900 G.R.E. to the international market, but it's a day late and a dollar short compared to the 4070 Super. I'm not going to sweat a $50 price difference in the $500+ price range, so either stepping up to the 4070 Super or step down to the 7800 xt makes more sense so you're looking at something more like a $100 swing for cards with similar price to performance. Ray tracing swings the ball in favor of stepping up to Nvidia when price to performance is similar though, esp. when the Nvidia card is newer, and I'd argue that you probably shouldn't be spending $500 on a G.P.U. when money's so tight anyway.

Moreover, it's all a pretty moot point anyway. Going by M.S.R.P., the 1660 Super was a pretty cheap card when it was first released, so we're looking more along the lines of the $250ish price range and I don't think anything particularly interesting happened in the sub $300 bracket as of late. Something is almost certainly bound to happen there when Battlemage is released later this year because that's pretty much where Intel has been exclusively fighting up until now.

Given that the 1660 Super was such relatively cheap card in the first place, is so old now and even seems to cost more to buy now brand new than it did at launch, I don't think it'll depreciate very significantly in the intervening months. Minimum requirements for most games seem to fall in line with the 1050 ti too, which the 1660 Super readily beats.

Buying a newer more expensive card is a pretty easy way to see your money evaporate and contract the condition of buyer's remorse as a result. The 1660 Super sounds as if it is still good enough to tide him over until we see what's up, so sticking with it seems to be the most advisable course of action for now, which makes specific brands kind of moot anyway, because if anybody releases anything that shakes up the market in the intervening year, we will know when it happens.

UserNotFound님이 먼저 게시:

Steam forum posters have always leaned toward nVidia, like most forums, so posters tend to ignore AMD options.....RT isn't the only end all be all for graphics. An RX 7700 XT is good IF you can get one for below 400USD, or the RX 7800 XT for below 500USD....you're gonna have to look though.

Edit - Even an RX 6700 XT shows quite a nice bump in gaming performance compared to the GTX 1660 Super.

With Steam being by far the largest storefront, it's pretty representative of trends as a whole.

A.M.D's. offerings aren't too competitive generally speaking. Last year the G.P.U. market was at a 20 year low[www.tomshardware.com] with them making some pretty mediocre offerings in the $300 price range that was generally the sweet spot in the pre-plague years, and even though the market is recovering, A.M.D. is still on the downtrend.

We may eventually find ourselves in the perverse position where Intel is a G.P.U. company and A.M.D. isn't if things keep up at this rate.

[BionicSeaSerpent]

Tonepoet님이 먼저 게시:

BionicSeaSerpent님이 먼저 게시:

completely ignored radeon did you?

A.M.D's most recent move was to release the 7900 G.R.E. to the international market, but it's a day late and a dollar short compared to the 4070 Super. I'm not going to sweat a $50 price difference in the $500+ price range, so either stepping up to the 4070 Super or step down to the 7800 xt makes more sense so you're looking at something more like a $100 swing for cards with similar price to performance. Ray tracing swings the ball in favor of stepping up to Nvidia when price to performance is similar though, esp. when the Nvidia card is newer, and I'd argue that you probably shouldn't be spending $500 on a G.P.U. when money's so tight anyway.

Moreover, it's all a pretty moot point anyway. Going by M.S.R.P., the 1660 Super was a pretty cheap card when it was first released, so we're looking more along the lines of the $250ish price range and I don't think anything particularly interesting happened in the sub $300 bracket as of late. Something is almost certainly bound to happen there when Battlemage is released later this year because that's pretty much where Intel has been exclusively fighting up until now.

Given that the 1660 Super was such relatively cheap card in the first place, is so old now and even seems to cost more to buy now brand new than it did at launch, I don't think it'll depreciate very significantly in the intervening months. Minimum requirements for most games seem to fall in line with the 1050 ti too, which the 1660 Super readily beats.

Buying a newer more expensive card is a pretty easy way to see your money evaporate and contract the condition of buyer's remorse as a result. The 1660 Super sounds as if it is still good enough to tide him over until we see what's up, so sticking with it seems to be the most advisable course of action for now, which makes specific brands kind of moot anyway, because if anybody releases anything that shakes up the market in the intervening year, we will know when it happens.

UserNotFound님이 먼저 게시:

Steam forum posters have always leaned toward nVidia, like most forums, so posters tend to ignore AMD options.....RT isn't the only end all be all for graphics. An RX 7700 XT is good IF you can get one for below 400USD, or the RX 7800 XT for below 500USD....you're gonna have to look though.

Edit - Even an RX 6700 XT shows quite a nice bump in gaming performance compared to the GTX 1660 Super.

With Steam being by far the largest storefront, it's pretty representative of trends as a whole.

A.M.D's. offerings aren't too competitive generally speaking. Last year the G.P.U. market was at a 20 year low[www.tomshardware.com] with them making some pretty mediocre offerings in the $300 price range that was generally the sweet spot in the pre-plague years, and even though the market is recovering, A.M.D. is still on the downtrend.

We may eventually find ourselves in the perverse position where Intel is a G.P.U. company and A.M.D. isn't if things keep up at this rate.

intel have to prove to people that they can keep in the GPU game, live up to hype drummed up by media and people. and most importanly. live long enough to depricate Alchemst with a newest lineup to uphold. ignoring Radeon here is a massive no no becasue they genuinely push out cards that people would take over intel that DONT break budgets like Nvidia. yeah the market has been pretty crap due to Nvidia's monopoly but AMD has proven its Nvidia greed while still making price blunders of their own. but those are more blunders, not greed. plus the fact that OP wants to run linux makes Radeon a no brainer choice.