RTX 3060 12GB or RTX 4060 8GB? Or AMD Equivalent?

[Wabbajack]

I am AMD user and looking for a new gpu, the reason I switched from AMD to NVIDIA is because the driver incompatibility. Like currently I'm using RX580 (since late 2018) and for the last 3 months my driver were often got removed by Windows, despite my efforts to fix the problem by using DDU, turning off windows update, editing registry, company policies, and even using wushowhide, like I already tried everything. I am concerned that if I get AMD GPU to replace my old RX580, the problem with driver persist.

Now I am weighing between 3060 or 4060 because I read on online articles and from YouTube that 4060 is not worth it for the current price/performance compared to 3060. Or should I get another AMD? So I humbly ask your enlightenment for this matter.

[C1REX]

Wabbajack님이 먼저 게시:

Now I am weighing between 3060 or 4060 because I read on online articles and from YouTube that 4060 is not worth it for the current price/performance compared to 3060. Or should I get another AMD? So I humbly ask your enlightenment for this matter.

4070 super is arguably the best value this generation but that's a $600 GPU for 213% the performance of 3060.

4060 is faster than 3060 12GB by 18% but that 8GB can soon cause some serious problems.
6700XT 12GB was the value king until recently at nearly the same price but the stock is drying out and is now like $80 more for the cheapest model in US. It's 33% faster than 3060 and has nice 12GB VRAM.

Hard choice.

[potato]

don't get 8gb vram

[r.linder]

C1REX님이 먼저 게시:

4070 super is arguably the best value this generation but that's a $600 GPU for 213% the performance of 3060.

Thems as bad as the kind of numbers that NVIDIA likes to claim before a product release, the 4070 SUPER only actually performs up to twice as fast than the 3060 12GB on average in popular and relevant games. You're only getting more than that if you're skewing the data with DLSS 3.0. It's also in a completely different market segment beyond just price, it's absolutely wasted on 1080p, regardless of refresh rate.

Wabbajack님이 먼저 게시:

I am AMD user and looking for a new gpu, the reason I switched from AMD to NVIDIA is because the driver incompatibility. Like currently I'm using RX580 (since late 2018) and for the last 3 months my driver were often got removed by Windows, despite my efforts to fix the problem by using DDU, turning off windows update, editing registry, company policies, and even using wushowhide, like I already tried everything. I am concerned that if I get AMD GPU to replace my old RX580, the problem with driver persist.

Now I am weighing between 3060 or 4060 because I read on online articles and from YouTube that 4060 is not worth it for the current price/performance compared to 3060. Or should I get another AMD? So I humbly ask your enlightenment for this matter.

The RTX 4060 is generally better because it's faster, uses less power, and the VRAM is rather inconsequential because the 3060 didn't really have the performance to make full use of 12GB VRAM worth of settings. But the 6700-XT is usually better value because the raster performance is better, at the cost of less raytracing performance and more power, but with 12GB VRAM that it can make better use of than the 3060 because it's closer to a 3060 Ti in performance. There's also the 7700-XT, which is around 15% faster than the 6700-XT and around 25% faster than the 4060.

[Wabbajack]

I see that some reccommend me to get AMD. However I am still concerned that I have trouble with the driver being removed by Windows again and again. Like every 30 minutes or so my PC would just freeze mid work/game. And that happens to a lot of people recently.

[r.linder]

First I've heard of such an issue happening and the drivers for RX 500 and Vega discrete graphics aren't frequently updated anymore, they only get occasional stable updates

[C1REX]

r.linder님이 먼저 게시:

Thems as bad as the kind of numbers that NVIDIA likes to claim before a product release, the 4070 SUPER only actually performs up to twice as fast than the 3060 12GB on average in popular and relevant games. You're only getting more than that if you're skewing the data with DLSS 3.0. It's also in a completely different market segment beyond just price, it's absolutely wasted on 1080p, regardless of refresh rate.

The data is from techpowerup and they are generally good at benchmarking.
About double the performance for a bit more than double the price is a decent deal in my opinion.

I also don't think it's a waste for 1080p as it gives some longevity to the GPU and let you play the the most demanding games.
Native 1080p is a bit harder to run than 1440p + DLSS quality as input resolution is 960p.

Well, it's of course a matter of opinion but to give some perspective here are some numbers from techpowerup for some most demanding games.

4070super - 1080p - max settings

Starfield - 86.6fps
Lords of the Fallen - 77fps
Alan Wake 2 - 95fps
City Skilines 2 - 36fps

Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-super-founders-edition/12.html

[Illusion of Progress]

Per the "driver update" thing, is it updating Adrenalin but leaving the underlying driver version the same, by chance?

If so, I had the same thing happen to me recently (but with a 7800 XT) although it wasn't resulting in anything major besides removing a few features from Adrenalin (still important enough), and nothing stopped it for me either until I used the "driver rollback" feature in device manager. This seems to have Windows set a flag to actually stop updating said thing when you use that option. It's an annoyance for sure though.

The RTX 4070 Super may be around twice as fast as the aforementioned options... at around twice the price, so it's way beyond the original budget.

I don't know if the 6700 XT is still common enough or cheap enough to be in reach; it used to be ~$330. If not, the 7600 might be the best thing on AMD's side.

RTX 4060 = 7600 > 6600 XT > RTX 3060 is how they fall in performance, but the wild card is the extra 4 GB RAM on the RTX 3060. I do find 8 GB to be too low, but you'll be trading off ~15% performance for it when it ultimately might not matter a whole lot for a card of that level of performance. All the rest have 8 GB so just pick based on price or preference. If you find a 6700 (not 7600) floating around the same price it might be an option. It's about equivalent to the 7600 and RTX 4060 but has an extra 2 GB VRAM (10 GB total) and a slight higher bus width (160-bit vs 128-bit).

[r.linder]

C1REX님이 먼저 게시:

r.linder님이 먼저 게시:

Thems as bad as the kind of numbers that NVIDIA likes to claim before a product release, the 4070 SUPER only actually performs up to twice as fast than the 3060 12GB on average in popular and relevant games. You're only getting more than that if you're skewing the data with DLSS 3.0. It's also in a completely different market segment beyond just price, it's absolutely wasted on 1080p, regardless of refresh rate.

The data is from techpowerup and they are generally good at benchmarking.
About double the performance for a bit more than double the price is a decent deal in my opinion.

I also don't think it's a waste for 1080p as it gives some longevity to the GPU and let you play the the most demanding games.
Native 1080p is a bit harder to run than 1440p + DLSS quality as input resolution is 960p.

Well, it's of course a matter of opinion but to give some perspective here are some numbers from techpowerup for some most demanding games.

4070super - 1080p - max settings

Starfield - 86.6fps
Lords of the Fallen - 77fps
Alan Wake 2 - 95fps
City Skilines 2 - 36fps

Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-super-founders-edition/12.html

I wouldn't pick 1080p solely based on just four games that aren't very well optimized to begin with, 1080p is still a waste of a 4070 SUPER's potential, it's roughly the same performance as a 3090.

[Sigma957]

RX 6700 XT or RX 6800 (non-XT).

RTX 4060 is a piece of ♥♥♥♥ and anyone who recommends that bowl of swill should be forced to use an geForce FX 5700 (GPU may catch fire) until they learned the error of their ways.

[r.linder]

The RTX 4060 is not a bad GPU, it's just too little too late, and really just needs a price cut as its currently competing with a GPU it can't beat in price/performance value.

The 6700-XT is around the same price but up to 14% faster in rasterization (and just a little bit slower in raytracing but neither card is good for that anyway), but the 4060 only draws 110~120 watts whereas the 6700-XT draws up to 230 watts, right around double the power consumption for only 14% does not make it a winner all around for those who want something that draws less power for whatever reason.

Certainly no reason to suggest that people who happen to like a half-decent low end GPU should be forced to use a fire hazard as punishment, that's absolutely ridiculous and sounds like AMD fanboy ranting. Both GPUs are good for different reasons, there's no shame in using either.

[Sigma957]

r.linder님이 먼저 게시:

The RTX 4060 is not a bad GPU, it's just too little too late, and really just needs a price cut as its currently competing with a GPU it can't beat in price/performance value.

The 6700-XT is around the same price but up to 14% faster in rasterization (and just a little bit slower in raytracing but neither card is good for that anyway), but the 4060 only draws 110~120 watts whereas the 6700-XT draws up to 230 watts, right around double the power consumption for only 14% does not make it a winner all around for those who want something that draws less power for whatever reason.

Certainly no reason to suggest that people who happen to like a half-decent low end GPU should be forced to use a fire hazard as punishment, that's absolutely ridiculous and sounds like AMD fanboy ranting. Both GPUs are good for different reasons, there's no shame in using either.

4600 is a piece of ♥♥♥♥ and a terrible waste of money. Get a 3080 if you want something that delivers. A 128bit bus for 16GBs is utter nonsense. I'm sending you an FX 5700. ......

[r.linder]

Sigma957님이 먼저 게시:

r.linder님이 먼저 게시:

The RTX 4060 is not a bad GPU, it's just too little too late, and really just needs a price cut as its currently competing with a GPU it can't beat in price/performance value.

The 6700-XT is around the same price but up to 14% faster in rasterization (and just a little bit slower in raytracing but neither card is good for that anyway), but the 4060 only draws 110~120 watts whereas the 6700-XT draws up to 230 watts, right around double the power consumption for only 14% does not make it a winner all around for those who want something that draws less power for whatever reason.

Certainly no reason to suggest that people who happen to like a half-decent low end GPU should be forced to use a fire hazard as punishment, that's absolutely ridiculous and sounds like AMD fanboy ranting. Both GPUs are good for different reasons, there's no shame in using either.

4600 is a piece of ♥♥♥♥ and a terrible waste of money. Get a 3080 if you want something that delivers. A 128bit bus for 16GBs is utter nonsense. I'm sending you an FX 5700. ......

I have a 3080 and I will gladly take that FX 5700 and turn it into an IED.

[Tomi Montana]

r.linder님이 먼저 게시:

Sigma957님이 먼저 게시:

4600 is a piece of ♥♥♥♥ and a terrible waste of money. Get a 3080 if you want something that delivers. A 128bit bus for 16GBs is utter nonsense. I'm sending you an FX 5700. ......

I have a 3080 and I will gladly take that FX 5700 and turn it into an IED.

"NVIDIA - The way it's meant to be detonated"

Make sure to also put a sticker on that IED that it's also fully DirectX 9.0b compliant.

[C1REX]

r.linder님이 먼저 게시:

I wouldn't pick 1080p solely based on just four games that aren't very well optimized to begin with, 1080p is still a waste of a 4070 SUPER's potential, it's roughly the same performance as a 3090.

It depends what games OP wants to play.
UE5 is becoming very popular.

[Sigma957]

Tomi Montana님이 먼저 게시:

r.linder님이 먼저 게시:

I have a 3080 and I will gladly take that FX 5700 and turn it into an IED.

"NVIDIA - The way it's meant to be detonated"

Make sure to also put a sticker on that IED that it's also fully DirectX 9.0b compliant.

Well they were called Detonator drivers at one time....the profile checks out.