RTX 3060 12GB or RTX 4060 8GB? Or AMD Equivalent?

[Wabbajack]

I am AMD user and looking for a new gpu, the reason I switched from AMD to NVIDIA is because the driver incompatibility. Like currently I'm using RX580 (since late 2018) and for the last 3 months my driver were often got removed by Windows, despite my efforts to fix the problem by using DDU, turning off windows update, editing registry, company policies, and even using wushowhide, like I already tried everything. I am concerned that if I get AMD GPU to replace my old RX580, the problem with driver persist.

Now I am weighing between 3060 or 4060 because I read on online articles and from YouTube that 4060 is not worth it for the current price/performance compared to 3060. Or should I get another AMD? So I humbly ask your enlightenment for this matter.

[C1REX]

Messaggio originale di smallcat:

C1REX , ultra settings are not always needed , i m seeing med preset + high AA = ultra preset . Seen this in many games . Sometimes just lights are more rich at ultra . i hardly discern high and ultra . Can you ? RTX 4060 ti is 450 bucks at least , RTX 4060 is 300 .

I'm not saying that 4060Ti 16GB is a good card - I think it's trash value.
I would recommend 3060 12GB below $300 or 7600XT if the price will drop a bit. 6700XT was amazing at $300 but the price went up.
7800XT and 4070 are on the more expensive side but both are great and should easily last until ps6 when we get another harsh jump in system requirements.

[r.linder]

I wouldn't suggest the 7600-XT or 4060 Ti 16GB at all, these low end cards have no business having that much VRAM when they can't even make proper use of it, on top of the performance uplift from the previous generation being so marginal, and the cards deserve to absolutely flop. People buying cards that shouldn't exist just proves to manufacturers that people will buy anything.

Both cards pretty much crumple up against the 3060 Ti and 6700-XT pretty consistently. The 7600-XT is bad value with useless extra VRAM when 10~12 would've been fine, the 4060 Ti was just laughably bad, and the extra cost of the 16GB version was insult to injury.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aopp8XolXE

Those two cards will not get more useful with age because the core will still perform pretty much the same, they completely lack the ability to deliver good performance with such high VRAM capacity, they're better off being thrown in mining rigs than in gaming systems, which is really probably what a lot of buyers would consider them for.

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If you are upgrading video cards to a new one make sure you get something that is at least 12GB VRAM or higher. And don't let people on this website or other sites try to tell you that VRAM isn't important: It is. It's the single most important factor relating to performance, at least if you play modern AAA Games made within the past 2 years and in the future. Do not buy anything with less than 12GB VRAM. If you can afford it then get one with 16GB. It does matter now in today's games.

And what I mean by matter: Newer games will run fine on cards with 8GB or less VRAM but if your card has less than 12GB VRAM on it then the games will detect this and only load in lower quality textures and also will perform frequent texture swapping between the video card and system ram which leads to hitches and not-smooth gaming performance. You don't want that. It's not fun.

If you have a 12GB+ card then this wouldn't happen.

[C1REX]

Both 7600xt and 4060Ti aren’t bad because of more VRAM but because of bad price in my opinion.
If 7600xt drop to $299 it won’t be a bad GPU. 4060Ti for $399 would be OK as well. $499 was laughably bad next to the 7800xt.

The problem with current generation is that anything that is not 7800xt or 4070(super) is a relatively bad value.

[C1REX]

Messaggio originale di smallcat:

C1REX , ultra settings are not always needed , i m seeing med preset + high AA = ultra preset . Seen this in many games . Sometimes just lights are richer at ultra . i hardly discern the difference between high and ultra . Can you ? RTX 4060 ti is 450 bucks at least , RTX 4060 is 300 .

Ultra settings are often a waste of performance. Textures are an exception, however.

High textures + everything else on low often look better than everything on ultra + textures on low. Textures need more VRAM but close to zero computing power. Other settings need a stronger and more expensive GPU but not much VRAM. Ray Tracing needs everything.

4060Ti 16GB is stupid when 7800XT costs almost the same.

[Sigma957]

The 7600XT and the RTX 4060 are both ♥♥♥♥ cards. It's not debatable. The 128bit bus is a loser move. The 6700 XT is a 192bit bus. Y'all need to go watch GamersNexus and Hardware Unboxed so you can stop pushing ♥♥♥♥♥♥ products.

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Messaggio originale di Sigma957:

The 7600XT and the RTX 4060 are both ♥♥♥♥ cards. It's not debatable. The 128bit bus is a loser move. The 6700 XT is a 192bit bus. Y'all need to go watch GamersNexus and Hardware Unboxed so you can stop pushing ♥♥♥♥♥♥ products.

Some people have a fixed budget. They might not can afford faster cards and may have no choice in the matter.

[Wabbajack]

Well guys after I read your comments and after I did my own research based on the price and availability in my area. I got myself RX 6700xt 12GB, I tried looking for the 6750 variant but I couldn't find one. I tried to buy the NVDIA equivalent but after I look at the performance review that it doesn't really different from the AMD and it's still pretty expensive in my area, I couldn't convince myself to get one.

However I thank you guys for the discussion and inputs, it really helps me!

[C1REX]

Messaggio originale di Wabbajack:

However I thank you guys for the discussion and inputs, it really helps me! :praisesun:

If you’ve got 6700XT then that’s amazing. The best possible option for the prize in my opinion. Sadly it’s slowly disappearing from the market and prices in many regions are going up.
Congratulations :)

[Mathius]

If you ever watch the GPU repair channels, you quickly come to the conclusion that the AMD cards are cheaper because they're cheaply made.

NVidia is getting a lot of flack for the weight of their cards and the little ear that likes to break, and that's 100% fair, but the entire board on an AMD card seems to be cheaply made with flexing, etc.

[pasa]

Messaggio originale di Mathius:

If you ever watch the GPU repair channels, you quickly come to the conclusion that the AMD cards are cheaper because they're cheaply made.

Maybe, if you're deaf, blind and biased.

Otherwise what you learn from said channels is that all cards have cheap and better versions. And the cheaper variant built around the same GPU chip may be cutting corners and come back haunting a few percent of the buyers.

And those who care about build quality can find very detailed reviews either as article or video, so can make educated decision. And it's not split on either chip or card brand lines.

[Mathius]

Messaggio originale di pasa:

Maybe, if you're deaf, blind and biased.

Otherwise what you learn from said channels is that all cards have cheap and better versions. And the cheaper variant built around the same GPU chip may be cutting corners and come back haunting a few percent of the buyers.

And those who care about build quality can find very detailed reviews either as article or video, so can make educated decision. And it's not split on either chip or card brand lines.

Yes, let me trust you, oh random guy on the internet, rather than a certified repair guy who posts videos of his actual repairs.

Thank god you sorted me out.

EDIT: Pretty hard to prove bias also, since I pointed out a major flaw in NVidia's design as well. At least I can correct that with a GPU support.

[C1REX]

Messaggio originale di Mathius:

Yes, let me trust you, oh random guy on the internet, rather than a certified repair guy who posts videos of his actual repairs.

Thank god you sorted me out.

Can you link the video showing why AMD GPUs are poorly made comparing to NVIDIA, please?

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[Mathius]

Messaggio originale di C1REX:

Can you link the video showing why AMD GPUs are poorly made comparing to NVIDIA, please?

Here's a good example here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8EYoa9gRhQ&t=292s

Of course if you wanted a direct comparison, that's not what he does. He won't give a card recommendation at all, and points out its usually not worth the money to spend extra money for a "premium" card.

He also details a lot of the defects related to the "ear" and weight of NVidia cards.

I've seen him point out GPU companies that have bad return policies as well.

I would encourage someone to watch his videos and come to their own conclusions and not just take my word for it.

His videos can be educational. Sometimes he puts meme-like reactions in them, sometimes not. Sometimes he shows the repair step by step, sometimes he speeds through it.