XMP overheating CPU

[NomadX]

3060 ti.
9700k.
Tuf 370 z gaming pro
Be quiet dark rock pro 4.
Be quiet 500 watts PSU.
32gb ram 2400 ( 3600 XMP).

Once I enable XMP profile it boosts a lot fps in games, currently playing BF 2042. It gives me ~ +40fps.
But the problem is I can play 10-20 minutes and pc reboots to blue screen or to bios.
CPU temps instantly going up to 80-90 once I click "play" and while playing 90+ which makesy pc to reboot.
But, under stress test in Aida64 (XMP on) both GPU and CPU at 100% loaded temps are ~75 at least first 30 minutes of the test.

And then I just click to play and in a moment instantly temps are 80+.

What it can be?

[C1REX]

Slow memory is a bottleneck for CPU.
By activating XMP profile you are likely pushing your CPU harder and the cooling can’t handle that.

Or there is something wrong with the memory controller on the CPU. Make sure you have the newest BIOS and SoC voltage is not too high. Some motherboards cooked AMD CPUs recently but too high voltage was a problem in the past as well. It can prematurely degrade your CPU what will lead to worse performance and crashes.

[mtono]

is battlefield 2042 the only game, that does this trouble/ error...mr threadsarter?

[NomadX]

Originally posted by C1REX:

Slow memory is a bottleneck for CPU.
By activating XMP profile you are likely pushing your CPU harder and the cooling can’t handle that.

Or there is something wrong with the memory controller on the CPU. Make sure you have the newest BIOS and SoC voltage is not too high. Some motherboards cooked AMD CPUs recently but too high voltage was a problem in the past as well. It can prematurely degrade your CPU what will lead to worse performance and crashes.

I reconnected all cables, cleaned pc, changed thermal paste, installed new windows 11 with formating all my storages, updated bios.
Stress test does not overheats CPU, only in games.

[NomadX]

Originally posted by secret_agent_man:

is battlefield 2042 the only game, that does this trouble/ error...mr threadsarter?

In Battlefield, Palworld and Naraka.

[Illusion of Progress]

AIDA64 is not very demanding for testing stability, at least on the CPU side. The FPU test is sort of an exception but I think that's more for testing ability to handle cooling capability from high power consumption more than anything else. The memory tests might be better but you'd be better off just using MemTest86 or OCCT for that. Use Prime 95 or, again OCCT for testing CPU, and Furmark is still good for testing the GPU (use Prime 95 or OCCT plus Furmark if you really want demanding).

I'm surprised you're getting 40 FPS from XMP alone, unless you're already talking hundreds of FPS and 40 FPS is less than 40% of an addition. 90C+ is warm but I wouldn't be expecting Blue Screens from that alone? I would expect the PC to throttle first, but it's not impossible heat is causing the crashes. I'm just suspecting it's possibly actually borderline unstable with XMP more than anything.

But if you're getting BSODs, the very first thing you should be doing is checking them. There should be memory dumps getting created (and possibly event viewer logs, and possibly WHEA logs). Check these.

[NomadX]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

AIDA64 is not very demanding for testing stability, at least on the CPU side. The FPU test is sort of an exception but I think that's more for testing ability to handle cooling capability from high power consumption more than anything else. The memory tests might be better but you'd be better off just using MemTest86 or OCCT for that. Use Prime 95 or, again OCCT for testing CPU, and Furmark is still good for testing the GPU (use Prime 95 or OCCT plus Furmark if you really want demanding).

I'm surprised you're getting 40 FPS from XMP alone, unless you're already talking hundreds of FPS and 40 FPS is less than 40% of an addition. 90C+ is warm but I wouldn't be expecting Blue Screens from that alone? I would expect the PC to throttle first, but it's not impossible heat is causing the crashes. I'm just suspecting it's possibly actually borderline unstable with XMP more than anything.

But if you're getting BSODs, the very first thing you should be doing is checking them. There should be memory dumps getting created (and possibly event viewer logs, and possibly WHEA logs). Check these.

Enabling XMP makes my pc to use more GPU which helps CPU in the games.
XMP off = CPU usage ~100% And GPU usage ~40%.
XMP on = CPU usage ~70 and GPU usage ~60 .
And of course ram from 2400 to 3600 is a lot of boost too.

So with XMP on CPU can kind of "breath" .

[emoticorpse]

When did this problem start? Did your hardware setup work right before and this started happening or this happened at the same time you changed a piece of hardware?

[NomadX]

Originally posted by emoticorpse:

When did this problem start? Did your hardware setup work right before and this started happening or this happened at the same time you changed a piece of hardware?

I can tell you exactly, it started 18 January with Palworld release, I did not change any hardware piece.
Really weird thing is, CPU starts overheating instantly when I click to "play" . Like there is no time even for CPU to heat that much in 1 second.

[emoticorpse]

Originally posted by Heisen | S.T.A.R.S:

Originally posted by emoticorpse:

When did this problem start? Did your hardware setup work right before and this started happening or this happened at the same time you changed a piece of hardware?

I can tell you exactly, it started 18 January with Palworld release, I did not change any hardware piece.
Really weird thing is, CPU starts overheating instantly when I click to "play" . Like there is no time even for CPU to heat that much in 1 second.

So just to be clear this started the moment you installed/played that game? or it just started on the day that game released and you didn't install/play it? Might be a dumb question I'm trying to be throrough.

If it started when you installed it, have you tried uninstalling it? I would say this isn't hardware related if it started with that game. But you did say you formatted/re-installed Windows? Did you re-install that game immediately after the Windows install? or you tired gaming WITHOUT installing Palworld and it was still a problem?

[_I_]

if the gpu isnt hitting 90-100% the cpu is most likely limiting it
xmp off can limit cpu performance

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by Heisen | S.T.A.R.S:

Enabling XMP makes my pc to use more GPU which helps CPU in the games.
XMP off = CPU usage ~100% And GPU usage ~40%.
XMP on = CPU usage ~70 and GPU usage ~60 .
And of course ram from 2400 to 3600 is a lot of boost too.

So with XMP on CPU can kind of "breath" .

That doesn't provide any further details. If you want a resolution to this, you need to start looking into the clues your PC is holding.

That's not what XMP does either. XMP enables a memory profile on your memory to set the corresponding frequency, timings, and voltage instead of using the predefined JEDEC speeds.

So if you are CPU bottlenecked (specifically CPU I/O bottlenecked), then yes, raising the memory speed may greatly raise performance since you're increasing the performance of the thing currently holding it back the most. That's just... the expected result here. Therefore, your CPU is now able to feed more data to your GPU.

That doesn't mean XMP does anything to the GPU (or even the CPU itself, as all it does on the CPU is raise the IMC operating frequency, and I suspect yours may be unstable as a result). You're arriving at a bit of a wrong conclusion by what you see the utilization numbers doing.

Alternatively, you do have a heat issue and need to address it. You seem to suspect this yourself. Have you checked your PC for dust? Checked that the cooler is secure? Checked thermal paste?

[r.linder]

That isn't an XMP issue, that's a cooling issue, clean your PC and install a better CPU cooler

[NomadX]

Originally posted by emoticorpse:

Originally posted by Heisen | S.T.A.R.S:

I can tell you exactly, it started 18 January with Palworld release, I did not change any hardware piece.
Really weird thing is, CPU starts overheating instantly when I click to "play" . Like there is no time even for CPU to heat that much in 1 second.

So just to be clear this started the moment you installed/played that game? or it just started on the day that game released and you didn't install/play it? Might be a dumb question I'm trying to be throrough.

If it started when you installed it, have you tried uninstalling it? I would say this isn't hardware related if it started with that game. But you did say you formatted/re-installed Windows? Did you re-install that game immediately after the Windows install? or you tired gaming WITHOUT installing Palworld and it was still a problem?

All good, not stupid question. Right after i installed new windows, i downloaded 3 games, Naraka, BF and Palworld, and all 3 games rebooted my pc.

1st crash or reboot of OC happened while playing Palword, and thats how it all started.

[_I_]

Palword is newish game, expect it to crash while still in beta or early release

if its does not cause bsod/reboot or lock up then its not a problem with the system

[NomadX]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

Originally posted by Heisen | S.T.A.R.S:

Enabling XMP makes my pc to use more GPU which helps CPU in the games.
XMP off = CPU usage ~100% And GPU usage ~40%.
XMP on = CPU usage ~70 and GPU usage ~60 .
And of course ram from 2400 to 3600 is a lot of boost too.

So with XMP on CPU can kind of "breath" .

That doesn't provide any further details. If you want a resolution to this, you need to start looking into the clues your PC is holding.

That's not what XMP does either. XMP enables a memory profile on your memory to set the corresponding frequency, timings, and voltage instead of using the predefined JEDEC speeds.

So if you are CPU bottlenecked (specifically CPU I/O bottlenecked), then yes, raising the memory speed may greatly raise performance since you're increasing the performance of the thing currently holding it back the most. That's just... the expected result here. Therefore, your CPU is now able to feed more data to your GPU.

That doesn't mean XMP does anything to the GPU (or even the CPU itself, as all it does on the CPU is raise the IMC operating frequency, and I suspect yours may be unstable as a result). You're arriving at a bit of a wrong conclusion by what you see the utilization numbers doing.

Alternatively, you do have a heat issue and need to address it. You seem to suspect this yourself. Have you checked your PC for dust? Checked that the cooler is secure? Checked thermal paste?

Yes, reconnected all cables, cleaned from dust, changed thermal paste.
My knowledge of the hardware is not that good, to undertsand where the root of this problem is.
Thats why i cant technically explain to you why XMP helps to my pc to get more performance in the games, but somehow it does.

I can record my screen from my phone to show you whats going on with XMP on, of course if its something you want to see.