Why so many people are switching from NVIDIA to AMD?

[C1REX]

I've switched to AMD as well, but I wonder why recently so many people recommend AMD over NVIDIA. Don't people care about Ray Tracing and DLSS? Is it some kind of pushback against NVIDIA's pricing? I thought my decision was rare and not that popular.


EDIT: I understand that NVIDIA dominates with over 80% of the GPU market. I simply wonder why some AMD GPUs even appear in top selling GPUs on NewEgg, mindfactory.de or overclockers.co.uk. Why people on reddit recommend AMD so often. Why AMD did so well in recent Hardware Unboxed survey (40% AMD).

[AmaiAmai]

I'll tell you why I don't use Nvidia on a daily basis:

1. Linux
2. Drivers are not as "faultless" as people keep pretending they are, they also have issues too
3. Costs a lot more for less performance and planned obsolescence
4. I don't support proprietary technology and I don't touch proprietary code
5. Devices that are super locked down to the point I have to spend months to fix an issue myself are garbage

Really, it's for the same reason I won't buy an Apple product. All my Android phones get rooted eventually and repurposed elsewhere. Not so for devices from people like Apple and those that embrace their philosophy.

I won't enter a burning cage willingly.

[C1REX]

Komarimaru lähetti viestin:

How would you get that Data from Newegg? Even with a business account with them, I can't access such things. And what surveys?

I think, you're just posting conjecture. And, what youtubers are making this switch to AMD GPU's? Not the gamers, and 100% not those who do work loads on GPU's, since we all know when it comes to that AMD has been botton barrel forever.

Posting something without data to back it up, seems silly really.

I own both a 3080TI, and a 6950. Guess what one performs better? I use all AMD CPU's in all my machines currently, also showing I don't hold a bias to nvidia/intel.

AMD is ok in the lower end for sure, until get tooooo low end, but even then nvidia sucks too. But AMD, hasn't been able to reach the top for a long long time for GPU's. ATI was the last herald of Radeon being top in performance and value.

I'm not saying AMD is better. I try to be neutral here, and I'm aware that the 4090 is at least one generation ahead, while the 5090 will likely widen the gap further. I could ask why so many people choose AMD trash recently, to pleas Nvidia fans. Bias shouldn't matter when we discuss some plastic to run games.

Regarding NewEgg it's not scientific - I simply sorted products by best-selling. The same goes for BestBuy. Sure, it's not equal, but it also seems higher than the 15% shown in the Steam chart. The Steam chart won't show recent data, as it's a total number of GPUs often sold many years ago. The 4060 is still lower on the chart than the 3060, 2060, 1060, and 1660 Super, for example, but that does not mean the 1060 is still selling better.

For YouTubers, there is actually a long list of small and medium-sized YouTubers. Here are just a few examples:

https://youtu.be/lmXmiFOfEL4?si=aajyEOgO_5dErCmT

https://youtu.be/Z4_qgKQadwI?si=BmFbc0mZEiU5ter6


https://youtu.be/ksPztKN3dgU?si=CW4K7un_9pBVgvpB


There are way more than that.

Regarding surveys, there is a huge number of them on different YouTube channels in the community section, and AMD is shockingly popular, often winning against Nvidia. I'm not sure how this is even possible.

By some impossible coincidence, Hardware Unboxed conducted a big survey recently, and the most popular series of GPU among their audience is AMD's RX 6000. Again, I'm not sure how this is even possible.

Total numbers:
NVIDIA - 58%
AMD - 40%
Intel - 1%
(not sure where is the missing 1%. Probably numbers where rounded down)


Here is link to the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG_WjpFqWzs&t=940s

I had to listen to the results few times because I couldn't believe my ears.
How could this happen?

[Zefar]

AmaiAmai lähetti viestin:

I'll tell you why I don't use Nvidia on a daily basis:

1. Linux
2. Drivers are not as "faultless" as people keep pretending they are, they also have issues too
3. Costs a lot more for less performance and planned obsolescence
4. I don't support proprietary technology and I don't touch proprietary code
5. Devices that are super locked down to the point I have to spend months to fix an issue myself are garbage

Really, it's for the same reason I won't buy an Apple product. All my Android phones get rooted eventually and repurposed elsewhere. Not so for devices from people like Apple and those that embrace their philosophy.

I won't enter a burning cage willingly.

1: You picked hard mode and you get hard mode.
2: All my time on Nvidia I haven't had a single issue with drivers.
3: How is it planned obsolescence?
4: AMD has it as well.
5: Okay, so what was it that you needed to do on the graphics card to fix it that took several months?

[C1REX]

Zefar lähetti viestin:

2: All my time on Nvidia I haven't had a single issue with drivers.
3: How is it planned obsolescence?

You might experience driver problems without realising it and blaming the game.
Like stuttering and crashing that affect only certain games. It may look like game's fault when it's caused by drivers. The Last of Us was a victim of such crashes.

Planned obsolescence is in terms of not enough VRAM. Like 3060Ti, 3070, 3070Ti.
Powerful GPUs with half the VRAM of a console.

Also not giving frame generation to 20 and 30 series of GPUs for no good reason.
At least we all get FSR3 frame gen from AMD.

[AmaiAmai]

Zefar lähetti viestin:

5: Okay, so what was it that you needed to do on the graphics card to fix it that took several months?

You know it's funny how people rush to Nvidia's defense on such issues. All I wanted was BASIC use out of hardware that I paid for. The issue is that getting that use was anything but basic.

The proprietary switches in laptops (MUX) aren't well documented and aren't all supported. In fact it's not a support problem as it's locked down. You can guess why that's an issue when you run into a problem. I still unlocked it and wrote drive anyway + fixed the issue.

But that's beside the point. A consumer should never have to pay extra for a product and then bend over backwards on their own time to fix problems that result from a company being paranoid about their IP.

If that's the case, they don't need my business. You and others can continue servicing them, not me.

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

1. Random users gut feeling tells him that more and more people are switching from NVIDIA to AMD GPU-wise just because he done it himself

2. AMD marketshare on Desktop-GPUs dropped from 20% in Q4 2021 to 12% in Q2 2022 than back to 18,5% in the current quarter.

AMD server-equipment are gaining marketshare though, but this has nothing to do with your daily gamer.

@OP
So my question would be, what exactly makes you start a thread and claiming such a thing?
Is that just a case of starting a controversial topic without any valid reason are do you know something, we dont know?

edit: btw Im team red all the way. But weve to stop to overestimate individual statements and act like they are true or apply to the majority, just because we feel that way because of our own agenda or because our favourite Youtuber/random people on a forum/etc. said so.
I see that issue everywhere these days. People cant stop to sell theyre own imaginations as facts and not only that, but also acting as if theyre own opinion becomes the opinion of other folks.

Facts dont lie. Topic does though.

[C1REX]

Schrute_Farms_B&B lähetti viestin:

1. Random users gut feeling tells him that more and more people are switching from NVIDIA to AMD GPU-wise just because he done it himself

2. AMd marketshare on Desktop-GPUs dropped from 20% to 12% in Q2 2022 than to 17,5% in the current quarter

@OP
So my question would be, what exactly makes you start a thread and claiming such a thing?
Is that just a case of starting a controversial topic without any valid reason are do you know something, we dont know?

I answer this again:
- Many stores like Mindfactory.de and NewEgg seems to have very good sales for new AMD GPUS.
- Many youtubers who switched to AMD
- Surveys on many Youtube channels. Especially Hardware Unboxed recent survey but not only. (Nvidia 58%, AMD 40%)
- "Moore's Law is Dead's" leaks and infos from retailers telling that Nvidia 40 series in not selling great while AMD 7000 series is selling fine. Not better than NVIDIA but not as bad as 15%.

I literally repeat the same stuff as I wrote few moments ago. I try not to be bias and may ask why people chose AMD trash at all.

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

Again, do you have any actual FACTS, I mean numbers, valid numbers from legit sources?
Something like THIS?[www.tomshardware.com] or THIS?[www.statista.com]

Im not talking about your gut feeling, your favourite Youtuber, or what other people allegedly have to say.
Just give us something legit we can work with, that all im asking for.

What you are doing with your thread is not only wrong, but also very missleading to other users, who might think that your gut feeling is true.
Please stop it, or provide official numbers of AMD and NVIDIA marketshare which state that AMD is gaining marketshare on desktop-GPUs.

edit: And with "gaining", I mean more than the aprox. 19% from 2022, which was the peak of AMDs GPU marketshare for desktop-PCs.
Nvidia is still over 80% in Q1 2024, which means, AMD cant be nowwhere near 19-20%.
id say rather 15-16%.

[C1REX]

Schrute_Farms_B&B lähetti viestin:

Just give us something legit we can work with, that all im asking for.

Numbers of favourite Youtuber is still a number and some kind of a trend.
Hardware Unboxed's survey results is a hard number. Same as other surveys.
Best selling products in some of the biggest pc hardware stores is data.

Here is a graph showing sells at MindFactory.de where AMD for the last few weeks was outselling NVIDA. Super series only made the sales equal.

https://twitter.com/TechEpiphanyYT/status/1754284968853848500/photo/2

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

Are you for real?
Jesus Christ, this is a Twitter post from a SINGLE VENDOR.
There are like thousands out there?

Wtf is wrong with you?
Pretty sure by now, that youre just trolling......

But good to know, that your BS was debunked.
Time to move on folks. Nothing to see here.

[C1REX]

Schrute_Farms_B&B lähetti viestin:

Are you for real?
Jesus Christ, this is a Twitter post from a SINGLE VENDOR.
There are like thousands out there?

Wtf is wrong with you?
Pretty sure by now, that youre just trolling......

But good to know, that your BS was debunked.
Time to move on folks. Nothing to see here.

This single vendor is one of the biggest in Europe that sells GPUs across the EU. Also, why so serious? I made a light hearted topic, and you are trying to take me to court or something. My favourite YouTubers switched to AMD, and big retailers have AMD GPUs in their top seller lists, and I simply wondered why.

It just doesn't feel to me that Nvidia is still outselling AMD 85-15, and if my thoughts made you upset, then I'm sorry.

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

Im not upset.
Im just telling you, that there is no proof whatsoever, that AMD is gaining marketshare on NVDIAI, when its about desktop-GPUs.
Quite the opposite.
There are always flucatitions in market economy, but that doesnt mean, that the marketshare-ratio is changing per se.

The RX 6000 generation had a MUCH better price-perfomance ratio compared to the RTX 3000 series than the RX 7000 series to RTX 4000.
There is a reason why AMD reached almost 20% marketshare on desktop-GPUs back then when they released the 6900XT and the 6800XT.
The 6800XT to this day, is one of the best performance-price ratio GPUS EVER released.

Since then, AMD is losing big time on NVIDIA when its about GPU-marketshare for desktop-PCs, although they gained a few points in the last two quarters.

See, this is just all simple market economy and AMD is still way behind their marketshare peak in 2022 which was about 19-20%.
We are now at 16-17%?

What does that tell you?
Fluctuation because of (pick any reason here).

[C1REX]

Schrute_Farms_B&B lähetti viestin:

We are now at 16-17%?

I don't know what are the real sells numbers.
We only have steamcharts showing 15% (16% this month) but hese numbers don't show sales but rather total number of mostly old GPUs.

Do you know any real sales numbers?

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

C1REX lähetti viestin:

Do you know any real sales numbers?

No, but I do know the official marketshare numbers, which Ive already shared in my second post.

[Komarimaru]

Ah, I see what you're talking about now. A bit misleading title, but that's not people moving from nvidia to AMD. That's just the normal, Cheapest most powerful GPU available trend. Add on that people know that soon next generation cards are out, ya...

But, just common sense. Think about it. Most gamers do not have high end systems, most are on older systems and 1080p still to this day. Steam and other stores are dropping support for older Operating systems heavily within the next 2 years as well, meaning people are finally updating their systems

What was the most popular GPU forever? The GTX 1060. Was it due to its power? No, it was cheap, and ok gaming. Guess what the new Cheap and is ok gaming GPU is? The 7800XT. Why though?

Because the 7900XT was heavily overpriced for what it was, and people knew it. Should have been their $600-700 GPU, but it was just $100 less than a 7900XTX which was quite a lot faster.

Now we have the 7800XT, It's dirt cheap. It performs around a 3080 to almost 6800XT depending on the game. And it's $500.

That's it right there. That's AMD's hottest selling item, ever in years since their Ryzen releases.

A $500 GPU, people can afford that more easily. They don't want to hear all the data, and finer details, they just know it's $500, and it plays games well.

I tell people making new rigs for cheap, to also use a 7800XT. Since cheaper than a 6900XT still lol