Why so many people are switching from NVIDIA to AMD?

[C1REX]

I've switched to AMD as well, but I wonder why recently so many people recommend AMD over NVIDIA. Don't people care about Ray Tracing and DLSS? Is it some kind of pushback against NVIDIA's pricing? I thought my decision was rare and not that popular.


EDIT: I understand that NVIDIA dominates with over 80% of the GPU market. I simply wonder why some AMD GPUs even appear in top selling GPUs on NewEgg, mindfactory.de or overclockers.co.uk. Why people on reddit recommend AMD so often. Why AMD did so well in recent Hardware Unboxed survey (40% AMD).

[Guydodge]

Postat inițial de Bing Chilling:

amd atm offers better value in raster performance
RTX is a gimmick still imo
DLSS 3.0 and NVcodex is probably the only real features that are worth considering

i still prefer nvidia over AMD as i love their nv codex and profile inspector
and i went from a 1070 to a 4060, but even i can see that AMD is just the better value
hands down.

RTX may bbe a gimmick on lesser cards but on high end cards its no gimmick
i just bought the wife a AMD.. never again.switch if you like way to unstable for my liking

[Guydodge]

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Postat inițial de Longy999:

Seems to be as niche opinion but I actually prefer AMD's software over Nvidia's too

I don’t think this is an unpopular opinion. Even NVIDIA fans see how outdated the GeForce experience is comparing to Adrenaline.

no one uses a app to set their vid cards ...lol

[Zef]

Postat inițial de Guydodge:

Postat inițial de Bing Chilling:

amd atm offers better value in raster performance
RTX is a gimmick still imo
DLSS 3.0 and NVcodex is probably the only real features that are worth considering

i still prefer nvidia over AMD as i love their nv codex and profile inspector
and i went from a 1070 to a 4060, but even i can see that AMD is just the better value
hands down.

RTX may bbe a gimmick on lesser cards but on high end cards its no gimmick
i just bought the wife a AMD.. never again.switch if you like way to unstable for my liking

You bought her a AMD?

Sure you did big guy

[Illusion of Progress]

Postat inițial de C1REX:

Postat inițial de Longy999:

Seems to be as niche opinion but I actually prefer AMD's software over Nvidia's too

I don’t think this is an unpopular opinion. Even NVIDIA fans see how outdated the GeForce experience is comparing to Adrenaline.

Adrenalin does what the nVidia control panel, GeForce Experience (plus an account), RTSS plus Afterburner, and others (RivaTurner or whatever) all do. You don't need a suite of a handful of software with AMD.

I don't know what the formal numbers are like, but I know a lot of nVidia users don't even use GeForce Experience (I didn't) so they are missing out on some key nVidia features like shaodw play and better recording. My mind was blown when I went from using Afterburner to record (so much performance loss, and so big of raw files) to using Adrenalin (next to no performance loss, tiny files with still amazing quality). As a bonus in one game I played, Minecraft, it's known to be... iffy with overlays and recording software at times, and if I used Afterburner to record, if I did it for too long (approximately when the time was over ~12 minutes or the file approached 700 GB+), the whole Java/game instance would just die once I stopped recording. Doesn't happen with Afterburner. Unreal is the only word to describe it.

So I have to imagine many nVidia users are ironically enough giving up some features that are part of the supposed "nVidia advantage" and stuck using only a Windows XP control panel that already felt out of place in Windows 7. To be fair most users probably don't record often if at all but I know for me, and Afterburner is nice (I actually still use it sometimes for preference of how I have the overlay customized and no other reason), but It would be hard to go back to having to pick "Windows XP control panel alone, or Windows XP control panel plus account mandatory software plus others".

[Crashed]

Postat inițial de Illusion of Progress:

Postat inițial de C1REX:

I don’t think this is an unpopular opinion. Even NVIDIA fans see how outdated the GeForce experience is comparing to Adrenaline.

Adrenalin does what the nVidia control panel, GeForce Experience (plus an account), RTSS plus Afterburner, and others (RivaTurner or whatever) all do. You don't need a suite of a handful of software with AMD.

I don't know what the formal numbers are like, but I know a lot of nVidia users don't even use GeForce Experience (I didn't) so they are missing out on some key nVidia features like shaodw play and better recording. My mind was blown when I went from using Afterburner to record (so much performance loss, and so big of raw files) to using Adrenalin (next to no performance loss, tiny files with still amazing quality). As a bonus in one game I played, Minecraft, it's known to be... iffy with overlays and recording software at times, and if I used Afterburner to record, if I did it for too long (approximately when the time was over ~12 minutes or the file approached 700 GB+), the whole Java/game instance would just die once I stopped recording. Doesn't happen with Afterburner. Unreal is the only word to describe it.

So I have to imagine many nVidia users are ironically enough giving up some features that are part of the supposed "nVidia advantage" and stuck using only a Windows XP control panel that already felt out of place in Windows 7. To be fair most users probably don't record often if at all but I know for me, and Afterburner is nice (I actually still use it sometimes for preference of how I have the overlay customized and no other reason), but It would be hard to go back to having to pick "Windows XP control panel alone, or Windows XP control panel plus account mandatory software plus others".

NVIDIA had actually claimed their control panel was intended to be in line with Windows Vista's design language despite still being a standalone app instead of an Explorer pane. That said, in front of a modern Windows 11 24H2 Preview system it does look dated.

[Revelene]

Steam Hardware and Software Survey for Jan 2024 shows a bias for Nvidia.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Can you show your source for this supposed switch?

[Sigma957]

ATI/AMD chipsets play nicer with older games.

[C1REX]

Postat inițial de Revelene:

Steam Hardware and Software Survey for Jan 2024 shows a bias for Nvidia.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Can you show your source for this supposed switch?

Of course NVIDIA still have monopoly level of market domination.
However there seems to be a shift on YouTube and social media.
Many YouTubers recommend AMD and many of them use AMD themselves. Some stores in Europe like Mindfactory.de sell more AMD GPUs than Nvidia's recently. Or at least not much worse.

AMD has close to 0% of laptop and prebuild market what is a majority of PC market. DIY part is relatively small and AMD having 16% of total market means they must have much bigger part of DIY enthusiast market.

So I'm talking about standalone GPU sales. steamchart won't show them much when it's mixed with constantly growing popularity of laptops and prebulds.

Here is a graph of GPU sales from Mindfactory.de
They report sales every week. It's one of the biggest stores in Europe.

https://twitter.com/TechEpiphanyYT/status/1754284968853848500/photo/2

AMD and NVIDA go neck to neck (at least in one store in Europe) and it's nowhere close to 15% from steamchart.

[PopinFRESH]

Postat inițial de 76561198025553605:

Postat inițial de Revelene:

Steam Hardware and Software Survey for Jan 2024 shows a bias for Nvidia.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Can you show your source for this supposed switch?

Of course NVIDIA still have monopoly level of market domination.
However there seems to be a shift on YouTube and social media.
Many YouTubers recommend AMD and many of them use AMD themselves. Some stores in Europe like Mindfactory.de sell more AMD GPUs than Nvidia's recently. Or at least not much worse.

AMD has close to 0% of laptop and prebuild market what is a majority of PC market. DIY part is relatively small and AMD having 16% of total market means they must have much bigger part of DIY enthusiast market.

So I'm talking about standalone GPU sales. steamchart won't show them much when it's mixed with constantly growing popularity of laptops and prebulds.

Here is a graph of GPU sales from Mindfactory.de
They report sales every week. It's one of the biggest stores in Europe.

https://twitter.com/TechEpiphanyYT/status/1754284968853848500/photo/2

AMD and NVIDA go neck to neck (at least in one store in Europe) and it's nowhere close to 15% from steamchart.

Think you might need to retake the statistics courses.

"at least in one store in Europe".... vs a sampling from millions of global users of Steam....

I wonder which one is a more statistically representative sample?

[leighmorgan21]

Postat inițial de Bing Chilling:

amd atm offers better value in raster performance
RTX is a gimmick still imo
DLSS 3.0 and NVcodex is probably the only real features that are worth considering

i still prefer nvidia over AMD as i love their nv codex and profile inspector
and i went from a 1070 to a 4060, but even i can see that AMD is just the better value
hands down.

I have to say hands down the feature frame generation has been a complete game changer for my performance. I can play cyberpunk maxed settings, path traced, but at 1440p. Locked 60. Can AMD cards do frame generation ?

[C1REX]

Postat inițial de leighmorgan21:

Think you might need to retake the statistics courses.

"at least in one store in Europe".... vs a sampling from millions of global users of Steam....

I wonder which one is a more statistically representative sample?

I'm not saying steam chart is wrong. I'm only saying it's missing context when 100% of laptops and close to 100% of prebuilds comes with nvidia gpu.

NVIDIA for sure has about 85% market domination but not 85% of DIY market. Not possible.

If you go to let say newegg and organise GPUs by best selling the ratio is nowhere near 85/15

https://www.newegg.com/GPUs-Video-Graphics-Cards/SubCategory/ID-48?Order=3

[C1REX]

Postat inițial de leighmorgan21:

Can AMD cards do frame generation ?

Yes, they can.
They can even do it from drivers level that should work in almost any game. It's called AMFM.
However the FSR3 version implemented in the game works better. If a game has DLSS3 frame generation only then there are mods to change it to FSR3. It also works on older NVIDIA GPUs that can't do frame gen otherwise.

[leighmorgan21]

Postat inițial de C1REX:

Postat inițial de leighmorgan21:

Can AMD cards do frame generation ?

Yes, they can.
They can even do it from drivers level that should work in almost any game. It's called AMFM.
However the FSR3 version implemented in the game works better. If a game has DLSS3 frame generation only then there are mods to change it to FSR3. It also works on older NVIDIA GPUs that can't do frame gen otherwise.

Oh wow, thx for the info. I've only just came back to PC gaming after being able to build my dream pc, pretty much, I mean it's not every part is the newest available, but it's top tier to me. Really happy with it. And that's great to hear as I've always gone amd gous myself as they usually got me a better equivalent than a Nvidia, so basically I paid £580 for a 4070 super, 12gb, what could I of got as AMD for that price I wonder, I bet you'll be able to tell me

With this card btw I'm playing cyberpunk MAXED SETTINGS, tho at 1440p with all banage settings of course, FG, ray reconstruction, dlss, Nvidia. This with path tracing. Which I think is best max ray tracing settings rite, and I get lovely locked 60. Loving it. Can AMD card equivalent do that ? Genuinely curious

[Raoul]

AMD has been gaining momentum since 2016 rx 460 days, the rx 6**** series killed in performance per watt anything Nvidia had to offer by quite a margin too and is still probably on par or above ( haven't checked vs the rtx 4*** series) the same story goes for cpus vs Intel..
Of course when it comes to proprietary features etc that's the only battle it loses.

[leighmorgan21]

Postat inițial de Bing Chilling:

amd atm offers better value in raster performance
RTX is a gimmick still imo
DLSS 3.0 and NVcodex is probably the only real features that are worth considering

i still prefer nvidia over AMD as i love their nv codex and profile inspector
and i went from a 1070 to a 4060, but even i can see that AMD is just the better value
hands down.

Recently built my PC, like with no real limits, had like 2 grand to spend. The GPU cost me an eye watering £580, that's more than a PS5 by itself. I do feel it's way better tho, no chance playing cyberpunk on PS5 at 1440p maxed settings including ray traced, path tracing. Locked 60. From what I understand PS5 has limited ray tracing and locked at 30 if u want it.