Why so many people are switching from NVIDIA to AMD?

[C1REX]

I've switched to AMD as well, but I wonder why recently so many people recommend AMD over NVIDIA. Don't people care about Ray Tracing and DLSS? Is it some kind of pushback against NVIDIA's pricing? I thought my decision was rare and not that popular.


EDIT: I understand that NVIDIA dominates with over 80% of the GPU market. I simply wonder why some AMD GPUs even appear in top selling GPUs on NewEgg, mindfactory.de or overclockers.co.uk. Why people on reddit recommend AMD so often. Why AMD did so well in recent Hardware Unboxed survey (40% AMD).

[C1REX]

Zef původně napsal:

better price to performance ratio
FSR is open source and even works on old nvidia GPU's
better linux support
vulkan
more open source friendly then ngreedia
i hate jensen
i hate jensen's leather jacket
ray tracing only looks good in cyberpunk and is quite of a joke in most titles
no weird PSU - GPU connector thingy, just classic 6-8-X PIN power connector's on your GPU

No VRAM argument?

[Zef]

C1REX původně napsal:

Zef původně napsal:

better price to performance ratio
FSR is open source and even works on old nvidia GPU's
better linux support
vulkan
more open source friendly then ngreedia
i hate jensen
i hate jensen's leather jacket
ray tracing only looks good in cyberpunk and is quite of a joke in most titles
no weird PSU - GPU connector thingy, just classic 6-8-X PIN power connector's on your GPU

No VRAM argument?

i forgot to add that one ofcourse

really liking my 24Gb of VRAM atm

[Illusion of Progress]

C1REX původně napsal:

According to SteamChart, AMD has only 15% of the GPU market. So yes, with 85%, it's a monopoly for Nvidia. However, there is an interesting, in my opinion, context to that. Most of the market in general are laptops and prebuilds where AMD has close to 0% of that part of the market. So, that 15% of the overall market can mean somewhere closer to 30% of the DIY, enthusiast market if my thinking is correct on this one. A big German/European store, Mindfactory, was selling more AMD GPUs than Nvidia's ones recently according to their own data.

I agree with that, yes. That's an example of what I meant by the enthusiast circle doesn't represent the wider market (or vice versa, as you're putting it). If it did, Intel would almost surely be the unpopular CPU choice right now (as it likely is with DIY enthusiasts) despite having a 2:1 market share edge according to Steam (and maybe higher in general outside gaming).

Mind Factory is an interesting look at how different some locales can be, but I'd say that paints an AMD biased picture since it's supposedly an AMD partner and apparently skews more towards AMD? I'm not saying the raw data is wrong; to the contrary I definitely think it's factual for that data source and that the DIY market is skewed towards AMD CPUs and probably even Radeon is less unpopular than it appears (I still think nVidia is far more popular though), but at the end of the day the DIY market is a part of the market and not the only part that counts. The wider market doesn't have that same skew. Intel and nVidia just have an entrenched hold and this is sort of what the whole "mind share" thing refers to. As momentarily popular as Radeon may be, Steam's numbers don't entirely lie either. Not a single current generation AMD GPU is more popular than the RTX 4090, and that is concerning considering it's an overpriced halo product and not what will likely be the most popular offering of the generation (currently the RTX 4060 and the RTX 4070 not far behind, so nVidia's "cut down and upsell" is working). If the "common gamer" is leaning Radeon for better price/performance, it's not showing yet with Steam. I know these things take time to show and the 7800 XT in particular, which is probably the value winner of this generation among AMD's offerings, is still relatively new, but still there's hardly any hints of AMD matching what nVidia will likely attain this generation. In the overall gaming market, Radeon doesn't seem to have the consistent success Ryzen (and nVidia) does.

I think it's unfortunate, but it is what it is. People seem to be driven away because of FUD horror stories about the drivers (and now of all times is not the time for nVidia users to be talking about bad drivers with how bad nVidia's have gotten) or other issues. I won't be shy to admit when my 7800 XT was bad and I suspected it was the graphics card, the fact that so many 7800 XT issues were being reported online (and for a brand new product of an unpopular brand)... well it does paint a picture there's something to it. Good news was it was indeed just a bad sample and RMA solved it so I suspected the right part, but bad news is... why do so many 7800 XTs (and not just them) seem to have this "black screen to restart" failure out the gate? Is this just a "seems common" thing or is there something to it? I can't say. FUD is FUD, but... it can be a powerful motivator too, and sometimes there may be hints of truth to it.

All I can say is I hope things improve here. Monopolies and stagnation aren't fun.

[Introverted Gamer]

Maybe because is slightly cheaper now. But NVIDIA is still King with it comes to AI and workstations. Nvidia's CUDA still the leader. AMD is still catching up with ROCM.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

12-pin plug is garbage fire hazard.
Nvidia went way too greedy with prices during Covid and it`s still going.
Nvidia`s shenanigans with VRAM are a damn joke.

[Lord Flashheart]

C1REX původně napsal:

I've switched to AMD as well, but I wonder why recently so many people recommend AMD over NVIDIA. Don't people care about Ray Tracing and DLSS? Is it some kind of pushback against NVIDIA's pricing? I thought my decision was rare and not that popular.

Let me see
Value for money would be the main thing.
Proprietrary features that only work with nvidia.
Nvidia cards ssem to lack memory.
Presently nvidia cards are stuck at display port 1.4a. AMD are 2.1. That is a problem if using high resolution/framerate monitors with frame generation.

[Badstormer]

At least in my experience, AMD GPUs offer slightly less performance than an NVIDIA GPU (but often with at least double the VRAM) at, in my case, with the 7900XTX, less than half the price.

NVIDIA certainly sells the stronger cards, but AMD gives you the most performance for your money hands-down, especially on the higher end.

[Crashed]

Rumpelcrutchskin původně napsal:

12-pin plug is garbage fire hazard.
Nvidia went way too greedy with prices during Covid and it`s still going.
Nvidia`s shenanigans with VRAM are a damn joke.

I got a RTX 3080 soon after launch for about $700 by avoiding scalpers and using Best Buy's anti-bot ordering system. That was fall of 2020, when the COVID-19 pandemic was still in its first major wave.

[r.linder]

It's mainly because of the better price/performance, particularly in the lower end sector of the market because prices keep going up while most people's budget does not

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

r.linder původně napsal:

It's mainly because of the better price/performance, particularly in the lower end sector of the market because prices keep going up while most people's budget does not

No kidding, you could get 60 series GPU for less then $200 and now it`s $400 and no my income has not doubled meanwhile. Not even talking about 70 and 80 series.

[r.linder]

Rumpelcrutchskin původně napsal:

r.linder původně napsal:

It's mainly because of the better price/performance, particularly in the lower end sector of the market because prices keep going up while most people's budget does not

No kidding, you could get 60 series GPU for less then $200 and now it`s $400 and no my income has not doubled meanwhile. Not even talking about 70 and 80 series.

Nowadays, 200$ gets you a little bit over 20% more performance through a certain x60 tier GPU that released five years after a 200$ GPU that released in 2016, that you can get for less than half that now on the second hand market... but it took years for the price of the 6600 to even get that low.

[Longy999]

Got a 7900XTX which gives me similar power to a 4080 (minus the RT obviously) for around £400-£500 less cost. Had a 6800XT before that.

Always had Nvidia cards beforehand but not willing to pay their absurd prices any more

Seems to be as niche opinion but I actually prefer AMD's software over Nvidia's too

[mtono]

Longy999 původně napsal:

Got a 7900XTX which gives me similar power to a 4080 (minus the RT obviously) for around £400-£500 less cost. Had a 6800XT before that.

Always had Nvidia cards beforehand but not willing to pay their absurd prices any more

Seems to be as niche opinion but I actually prefer AMD's software over Nvidia's too

yeah! i love the amd drivers graphical interface...cu.

[Karumati]

C1REX původně napsal:

I've switched to AMD as well, but I wonder why recently so many people recommend AMD over NVIDIA. Don't people care about Ray Tracing and DLSS? Is it some kind of pushback against NVIDIA's pricing? I thought my decision was rare and not that popular.

personally wouldn't go back to amd gpu's, don't like their drivers

[C1REX]

Longy999 původně napsal:

Seems to be as niche opinion but I actually prefer AMD's software over Nvidia's too

I don’t think this is an unpopular opinion. Even NVIDIA fans see how outdated the GeForce experience is comparing to Adrenaline.