Why so many people are switching from NVIDIA to AMD?

[C1REX]

I've switched to AMD as well, but I wonder why recently so many people recommend AMD over NVIDIA. Don't people care about Ray Tracing and DLSS? Is it some kind of pushback against NVIDIA's pricing? I thought my decision was rare and not that popular.


EDIT: I understand that NVIDIA dominates with over 80% of the GPU market. I simply wonder why some AMD GPUs even appear in top selling GPUs on NewEgg, mindfactory.de or overclockers.co.uk. Why people on reddit recommend AMD so often. Why AMD did so well in recent Hardware Unboxed survey (40% AMD).

[C1REX]

Nguyên văn bởi Dutchgamer1982:

Nguyên văn bởi C1REX:

GPU power draw definitely makes a difference in Europe but nowhere near as drastic. I pay close to £0.35 per kwh.
You would need to be benchmarking some AAA games all day every day to make such a big difference. No Youtube, no work, no indie games, no V-Sync or any other FPS limiter.

so you pay 41 eurocent.

34 eurocent here but thats ex the 14 cent tax so actually 48 eurocent.

grafical applications (rendering) does put your system under plenty of load;)

I also pay my bills and I have a smart plug measuring my total PC power draw. 400W sounds scary but I feel close to no difference comparing to my old 5700XT overall. My GPU doesn’t even sweat playing Tekken 8 at 4K max settings so power draw is much lower than 400W.

It makes a difference what you play and at what settings. The 4090 can draw less power than the 3060 12GB in some scenarios.

[A&A]

Nguyên văn bởi Dutchgamer1982:

not at 48 cent per kwh did the numbers it never was profitable here. making me wonder why anybody could pull it off..

than again there are aholes who pay like 3 cent per kwh;) not here in europe where we pay taxes on the taxes pver our taxes "to save the climate"

48 cents is a lot.
Well, we have to pay 19 eurocents per KWh and between 23:00-7:00 the price drops by more than half.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

They raised electricity rates here (main issuer) to 48 cents (smaller carriers still were offering 14 cents) for about 15 months but the main carrier is now going back to its previous 14 cents, lol.

[C1REX]

I double checked and my rate is £0.27 per kWh including taxes. I think prices went down from their peak.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Nguyên văn bởi Wynters:

They raised electricity rates here (main issuer) to 48 cents (smaller carriers still were offering 14 cents) for about 15 months but the main carrier is now going back to its previous 14 cents, lol.

rates were 26 cent + 6 cent tax in 2022 = 32 cent

than russia attacked in 2023 and rates went up to 120 cent + 38 cent tax.
= 158 cent

goverment energency set tax for a year at 0.. and set price ceiling of 40 cent.
but only until a small usage which I already exceeded had to leavy my pc off in 2023 was just bot worth it doing work on it at 120 cent.

rates stayed that insane until like q3 2023 wheh they started dropping to about 50 cent
in december they were still 39 ceht.

per 1 januari the energy tax is back and raised in % so its now 14 cent.
-rate per kwh now is 34 cent.

added up its hence now 48 cent.

which is higher tham the 32 cent that until 2022 used to be the nornal price..

its why i want my nation to stop suppprting ukraine and end the tradeban with russia.

[🦜Cloud Boy🦜]

rtx 4090 is 70-80% more powerful compared to previous gen 3090 while pulling the same 450 watts of power, which means, we've got 70-80% power efficiency. Otherwise it would pull 750w for the GPU itself for the performance that it delivers.

Moore's law is dead long ago. It already hit its saturation point. You can keep folding a piece of paper only so far. At some point it bounds to hit its limit. Shrinking the transistors for double the performance and efficiency in every new generation can't be possible forever.

That's why cards are becoming bigger, to accommodate more transistors and bigger die-size. Hence increasing the cost. Just look at how big is the RTX 4080 is in size. It's at least 2x the size of gtx 1080 was, while delivering 4x raw performance uplift, in just 3 generation apart. Can you calculate how much performance uplift we've got in each generation on average?

If a GPU gets 30% performance uplift in a generation, it will take 3 generations just to DOUBLE the performance. No wonder why rtx 4080 is so expensive.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AK-Brxtkkjw&t=160s&pp=ygUMMTA4MCB2cyA0MDgw

[Dutchgamer1982]

best card of each gen since 2007

8800gts : 135W 0.42 Tflop $349
9800gtx+ : 141W 0.47 Tflop $299
285 : 204W 0.71 Tflop $399
480 : 250W 1.34 Tflop $499
580 : 244W 1.58 Tflop $499
680 : 195W 3.09 Tflop $499
titan : 230W 4.50 Tflop $999
780ti : 230W 5.05 Tflop $699
titan black : 230W 5.12 Tflop $999
980ti : 250W 6.05 Tflop $649
titanX : 250W 6.60 Tflop $999
titanX pascal : 250W 10.97 Tflop $1199
1080ti : 250W 11.34 Tflop $699
titanXp : 250W 12.15 Tflop $1199
titanV : 250W 14.90 Tflop $2999
2080ti : 250w 13.45 Tflop $1199
titanRTX : 270W 16.31 Tflop $2499
3090 : 350W 35.58 Tflop $1499
3080ti : 350W 34.10 Tflop $1199
3090ti : 450W 40.00 Tflop $1999
4090 : 450W 82.6 Tflop $1599

now Mflops per watt

8800gts : 3.11
9800gtx+ : 3.33
285 : 3.48
480 : 5.36
580 : 6.48
680 : 15.85
titan : 19.57
780ti : 21.96
titan black : 22.26
980ti : 24.20
titanX : 26.40
titanX pascal : 43.88
1080ti : 45.36
titanXp : 48.60
titanV : 59.60
2080ti : 53.80
titanRTX : 60.41
3090 : 101.66
3080ti : 97.43
3090ti : 88.89
4090 : 183.56

dollarprice per Tflop.

8800gts : 830.95
9800gtx+ : 636.17
285 : 561.97
480 : 372.39
580 : 315.82
680 : 161.49
titan : 222.00
780ti : 138.42
titan black : 195.12
980ti : 107.27
titanX : 151.36
titanX pascal : 109.30
1080ti : 61.64
titanXp : 98.68
titanV : 201.28
2080ti : 89.14
titanRTX : 183.87
3090 : 42.13
3080ti : 35.16
3090ti : 49.98
4090 : 19.36

ofcourse real world prices irl differ a 980ti was 700 euro a 4090 is 2200 euro..

[EMO GANGSTER]

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

Nguyên văn bởi EMO GANGSTER:

I'm a Linux guy so i use AMD because drivers are not proprietary and the cards cheaper Nvidia is working on open source drivers and if the driver's mature I'll use Nvidia cards if it's worth the value im not fan boy of either.

They’re working on open-source drivers? That’s strange of them to even consider, they’re usually very protective of their code

there proprietary drivers make them get pass over for a lot things Linus Torvalds ( created of the Linux kernel) he stated that on many occasions that they were difficult to work with, but still wanted their chips in everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQIdxbWhHSM

[AbedsBrother]

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

Nguyên văn bởi EMO GANGSTER:

I'm a Linux guy so i use AMD because drivers are not proprietary and the cards cheaper Nvidia is working on open source drivers and if the driver's mature I'll use Nvidia cards if it's worth the value im not fan boy of either.

They’re working on open-source drivers? That’s strange of them to even consider, they’re usually very protective of their code

https://www.phoronix.com/review/nvidia-open-kernel

[antoniobennett72]

I tend to recommend AMD because for most budgets (say $200 - $500) they offer better performance for the dollar and especially the lower you need to go the less a real factor ray tracing is going to realistically be.

DLSS is awesome but if for the same spend you can get what it delivers natively then FSR becomes a more acceptable alternative if upscaling is needed while often getting more VRAM, it just makes sense to seriously consider AMD.

Meanwhile...I'm more likely to think NVIDIA at $600 and up when you start getting enough horsepower to make use of the bells and whistles. Premium budgets demand premium features with the performance, otherwise keep the money in your pocket and something like a 7800 xt should mostly carry the day.

[Karumati]

Nguyên văn bởi antoniobennett72:

I tend to recommend AMD because for most budgets (say $200 - $500) they offer better performance for the dollar and especially the lower you need to go the less a real factor ray tracing is going to realistically be.

DLSS is awesome but if for the same spend you can get what it delivers natively then FSR becomes a more acceptable alternative if upscaling is needed while often getting more VRAM, it just makes sense to seriously consider AMD.

Meanwhile...I'm more likely to think NVIDIA at $600 and up when you start getting enough horsepower to make use of the bells and whistles. Premium budgets demand premium features with the performance, otherwise keep the money in your pocket and something like a 7800 xt should mostly carry the day.

Fsr looks worse

[Crashed]

Nguyên văn bởi Karumati:

Nguyên văn bởi antoniobennett72:

I tend to recommend AMD because for most budgets (say $200 - $500) they offer better performance for the dollar and especially the lower you need to go the less a real factor ray tracing is going to realistically be.

DLSS is awesome but if for the same spend you can get what it delivers natively then FSR becomes a more acceptable alternative if upscaling is needed while often getting more VRAM, it just makes sense to seriously consider AMD.

Meanwhile...I'm more likely to think NVIDIA at $600 and up when you start getting enough horsepower to make use of the bells and whistles. Premium budgets demand premium features with the performance, otherwise keep the money in your pocket and something like a 7800 xt should mostly carry the day.

Fsr looks worse

FSR is designed to not require any specific GPU hardware.

[KeegsterMann]

Switching to AMD Radeon or Intel Arc can help you save money. Nvidia is too overpriced!

[Electric Cupcake]

Aside from better value in efficiency and performance for price, FSR is generally superior to DLSS, and most importantly, they've long established themselves as being Linux-friendly.

Nvidia has been making some half-hearted concessions to open GPU drivers this year, but it's too little, too late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcxKINWMD8M

Also, Freesync > proprietary vSync, and Radeon lets you disable HDCP filth.

And even with Windows, Nvidia trying to railroad people to the Microsoft Store for drivers, and demanding an email registration for their software is downright insulting.

[Lord Flashheart]

Nguyên văn bởi C1REX:

I've switched to AMD as well, but I wonder why recently so many people recommend AMD over NVIDIA. Don't people care about Ray Tracing and DLSS? Is it some kind of pushback against NVIDIA's pricing? I thought my decision was rare and not that popular.


EDIT: I understand that NVIDIA dominates with over 80% of the GPU market. I simply wonder why some AMD GPUs even appear in top selling GPUs on NewEgg, mindfactory.de or overclockers.co.uk. Why people on reddit recommend AMD so often. Why AMD did so well in recent Hardware Unboxed survey (40% AMD).

It seems gamerrs are no longer a priority for nvidia.
Typically the cards lack VRAM, more expensive, with locked down features.
The upscaling is the obvious one.
Also still to display port 2.1. Combined with lack of VRAm is an issue for longevity.