Windows 7, just want to make sure

[battymiles]

I'm using a rather old PC with Windows 7 OS. I was a steam client a couple of years ago, and recently reactivated my account.
The notification on OS on game downloads says that Steam downloads will only work on W10 and higher.
Just to make sure, does this mean that if I try to DL a game today (Feb 1 2024) , will it work on my laptop or not?
I dont want to throw money away on a game that wont work.
Thank you.

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Opprinnelig skrevet av AntiGrieferGames:

This one breaks windows things, its safer to use manually instead using Scripts, OOSHUTUP or other unsafe s**ts.

having the same tried and its already broken whne using scripts! Not recommneded!

Shutup 10 is completely safe. It's even manufactured by a company that is listed as a Microsoft Partner as well. No one can cause damage to their computer or otherwise harm their computer by using Shutup 10. There is nothing negative about that software at all.

[nullable]

Opprinnelig skrevet av AntiGrieferGames:

minimum requirements are a joke
not gonna lie, it will running palworld on any low end processor, does no matter if this a modern 2 core cpu or a ancient 4 core cpu.

honkai star rail claims requiremnet "i3" but it runs on a 16 year old processor...

Not a joke, if you can differentiate what minimum requirements are and what they're not. What they're not isn't a strict technical, literal minimum the game files will successfully execute on.

What they are is a fuzzy line of the lowest system the developer wants to support. Or the lowest system they thing will run the game satisfactorily on. Or maybe it's just the lowest end system they had laying around.

One needs to manage their expectations a bit. You'd generally prefer to be above the minimums. But choosing to ignore them a bit and run the game anyway isn't some kind gotcha.

[bidulless]

Opprinnelig skrevet av lsdninja:

Opprinnelig skrevet av ★Sinon★ <3:

(a quick check reveals that the current Steam client uses CEF 85).

It’s been updated to version 109.0.5414.120 in the beta, which will likely end up in the next stable client update and is the last version that supports Windows 7. It took Valve three years to move off CEF v85 so they’re probably not going to dump 109 any time soon, but they’re also not going to bother testing any backend changes or feature additions on Windows 7 going forward so the client will still break over time regardless.

hello

Let's hope it will happen very more quickly than you think, 3 years is a lot too more if we are checking back the gap between c85 and cef 109 , leaving all steam customers vulnerable on the net if they are using the stupid browser thing from overlay...

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Opprinnelig skrevet av nullable:

Not a joke, if you can differentiate what minimum requirements are and what they're not. What they're not isn't a strict technical, literal minimum the game files will successfully execute on.

What they are is a fuzzy line of the lowest system the developer wants to support. Or the lowest system they thing will run the game satisfactorily on. Or maybe it's just the lowest end system they had laying around.

One needs to manage their expectations a bit. You'd generally prefer to be above the minimums. But choosing to ignore them a bit and run the game anyway isn't some kind gotcha.

Actually you are wrong there. The minimum requirements do mean that we must have hardware that meets those requirements or we don't play the game. That's what MINIMUM means.

It also means that if anyone tries to run any game on any hardware that is below the minimum requirements then they should acknowledge that they are doing this and get zero support. No help from the developers. No help from the community. Nothing. If people try to run games on hardware that doesn't meet the requirements then they are the reason the game doesn't work right. It's mostly important when certain games specify a required operating system. I've seen some people try to do that. Like trying to play games that state they require Windows 10 on Windows 7 for example. BIG NO NO.

Meet the requirements or don't play. There's no way around minimum requirements.

[tyl0413]

Opprinnelig skrevet av r.linder:

or just switch to Linux and stop delaying the inevitable, GOG won't protect you forever

Steam may have DRM but it's hardly an issue like it is for other software, and Valve makes up for it by all of the work they put into making gaming viable on Linux with Proton

What about those of us that like to own our games AND OS at the same time not just settling for one?

[tyl0413]

Opprinnelig skrevet av 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Opprinnelig skrevet av AntiGrieferGames:

This one breaks windows things, its safer to use manually instead using Scripts, OOSHUTUP or other unsafe s**ts.

having the same tried and its already broken whne using scripts! Not recommneded!

Shutup 10 is completely safe. It's even manufactured by a company that is listed as a Microsoft Partner as well. No one can cause damage to their computer or otherwise harm their computer by using Shutup 10. There is nothing negative about that software at all.

and these are the same people who will blame any W10 issues on the modification required to run it properly..
If they are truly MS certified it probably does not actually do a good job at disabling the spyware so I wouldn't use it, if they aren't well they should take it off because it accomplishes the exact opposite of the intended effect in the target userbase.
Next they should Microsoft certify the activators because the entire Windows activation system has been reverse engineered and it's all open source unlike that one.

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Opprinnelig skrevet av tyl0413:

and these are the same people who will blame any W10 issues on the modification required to run it properly..
If they are truly MS certified it probably does not actually do a good job at disabling the spyware so I wouldn't use it, if they aren't well they should take it off because it accomplishes the exact opposite of the intended effect in the target userbase.
Next they should Microsoft certify the activators because the entire Windows activation system has been reverse engineered and it's all open source unlike that one.

It's not "Modifying" windows. Everything that shutup 10 does can be done ourselves either through registry or through the Group Policy Editor, IE parts of windows that are included in windows. Instead of having to fuss around with all of that Shutup 10 is just a quick and convenient GUI interface with switch buttons to do it quicker and easier.

Do note that I did NOT say that the people making Shutup10 are "Microsoft Certified". I only said that they are listed as a "Microsoft Partner".

[AntiGrieferGames]

Opprinnelig skrevet av tyl0413:

Opprinnelig skrevet av 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Shutup 10 is completely safe. It's even manufactured by a company that is listed as a Microsoft Partner as well. No one can cause damage to their computer or otherwise harm their computer by using Shutup 10. There is nothing negative about that software at all.

and these are the same people who will blame any W10 issues on the modification required to run it properly..
If they are truly MS certified it probably does not actually do a good job at disabling the spyware so I wouldn't use it, if they aren't well they should take it off because it accomplishes the exact opposite of the intended effect in the target userbase.
Next they should Microsoft certify the activators because the entire Windows activation system has been reverse engineered and it's all open source unlike that one.

Any Scripts who are provite and been called "debloat" or other things breaks Windows 10 or 11

Same goes for Modified Windows ISO, its not certainly safe so Official Windows works no issue

Opprinnelig skrevet av 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Opprinnelig skrevet av tyl0413:

and these are the same people who will blame any W10 issues on the modification required to run it properly..
If they are truly MS certified it probably does not actually do a good job at disabling the spyware so I wouldn't use it, if they aren't well they should take it off because it accomplishes the exact opposite of the intended effect in the target userbase.
Next they should Microsoft certify the activators because the entire Windows activation system has been reverse engineered and it's all open source unlike that one.

It's not "Modifying" windows. Everything that shutup 10 does can be done ourselves either through registry or through the Group Policy Editor, IE parts of windows that are included in windows. Instead of having to fuss around with all of that Shutup 10 is just a quick and convenient GUI interface with switch buttons to do it quicker and easier.

Do note that I did NOT say that the people making Shutup10 are "Microsoft Certified". I only said that they are listed as a "Microsoft Partner".

But still, Scripts are not safe and manually editing registry is safer. Same goes for other things like "Debloating", and manually works better than using "Scripts", it doesnt matter

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Opprinnelig skrevet av AntiGrieferGames:

Any Scripts who are provite and been called "debloat" or other things breaks Windows 10 or 11

Nope. Shutup 10 and Win Aero Tweaker do not break windows. Nothing in either program can possibly break, harm, or damage our computers. Both programs are 100% completely safe.

I'm not sure what your agenda here is but whatever it is you're trying to do it won't work.

Opprinnelig skrevet av AntiGrieferGames:

But still, Scripts are not safe and manually editing registry is safer. Same goes for other things like "Debloating", and manually works better than using "Scripts", it doesnt matter

Shutup 10 and WinAeroTweaker are the two primary trusted sources for disabling unwanted portions of Windows 10 and Windows 11 for many, many years now dating back to 2016. They are well known trusted programs used by millions of people.

You are not going to convince anyone not to use them no matter what you say or write.

[metamec]

We don't really have any way of confirming that Shutup 10 or Win Aero Tweaker are "100% completely safe". Neither project is open source to my knowledge, although I suppose there is at least a chain of provenance with the former because it's attributed to a limited liability company.

x number of users trusted this for y years doesn't really tell us anything about how safe a specific piece of software is. It lends weight to the idea of reduced risk based on usage history, but things like this[www.zdnet.com] happen all the time reminding us that scale of adoption tells us little about safety.

"100% completely safe" is such a bad term to use. Heartbleed was in OpenSSL for two years before any of us realised it. Floxif found its way into CCleaner at some point. It's unrealistic to make such a claim even if you develop the software with good intentions yourself.

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Opprinnelig skrevet av metamec:

Heartbleed was in OpenSSL for two years before any of us realised it.

This one is especially amusing because it basically made a mockery of the idea that open source is great because it allows people to audit the code.

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Opprinnelig skrevet av metamec:

We don't really have any way of confirming that Shutup 10 or Win Aero Tweaker are "100% completely safe". Neither project is open source to my knowledge, although I suppose there is at least a chain of provenance with the former because it's attributed to a limited liability company.

x number of users trusted this for y years doesn't really tell us anything about how safe a specific piece of software is. It lends weight to the idea of reduced risk based on usage history, but things like this[www.zdnet.com] happen all the time reminding us that scale of adoption tells us little about safety.

"100% completely safe" is such a bad term to use. Heartbleed was in OpenSSL for two years before any of us realised it. Floxif found its way into CCleaner at some point. It's unrealistic to make such a claim even if you develop the software with good intentions yourself.

I have personal experience with it. I've used both programs multiple hundreds of times both for my own personal computers and for other people that I've built computers for, also for friends and family members that buy prebuilts from oem's. I have never had a single experience of anything negative from either 2 programs. Most people have now been multiple years of daily usage with their computers and they have never called me for help with any problems or anything else negative created by either program.

Anyone trying to claim either or both programs are/is harmful is just crazy and/or fearmongering just to scare people for the sake of scaring people.

[AntiGrieferGames]

Opprinnelig skrevet av 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Opprinnelig skrevet av metamec:

We don't really have any way of confirming that Shutup 10 or Win Aero Tweaker are "100% completely safe". Neither project is open source to my knowledge, although I suppose there is at least a chain of provenance with the former because it's attributed to a limited liability company.

x number of users trusted this for y years doesn't really tell us anything about how safe a specific piece of software is. It lends weight to the idea of reduced risk based on usage history, but things like this[www.zdnet.com] happen all the time reminding us that scale of adoption tells us little about safety.

"100% completely safe" is such a bad term to use. Heartbleed was in OpenSSL for two years before any of us realised it. Floxif found its way into CCleaner at some point. It's unrealistic to make such a claim even if you develop the software with good intentions yourself.

I have personal experience with it. I've used both programs multiple hundreds of times both for my own personal computers and for other people that I've built computers for, also for friends and family members that buy prebuilts from oem's. I have never had a single experience of anything negative from either 2 programs. Most people have now been multiple years of daily usage with their computers and they have never called me for help with any problems or anything else negative created by either program.

Anyone trying to claim either or both programs are/is harmful is just crazy and/or fearmongering just to scare people for the sake of scaring people.

i have my experience what with some scripts that breaks windows things after using that.

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Opprinnelig skrevet av AntiGrieferGames:

i have my experience what with some scripts that breaks windows things after using that.

Whatever happened to you it wasn't from either Shutup 10 or WinAeroTweaker. You probably changed something else manually at the time and then thought it was the program doing it.

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Opprinnelig skrevet av Tonepoet:

Well, I mean, first, some people have games they bought from Steam over 10 years ago, and the only reason they can't continue to use them on their windows 7 system is if the client stops working on their older system.


Second, have you seen the minimum system requirements for Palworld? The i5-3570K is almost 12 years old[www.techpowerup.com]. Now the GTX 1050 is more like 8 years old, but it's a pretty weak 10 series card, so I wouldn't be surprised if you could run it on a GTX 970 from roughly 10 years ago anyway. In fact, the GTX 970 still seems to be very relevant, at least insofar as minimum requirements goes.

minimum requirements are a joke
not gonna lie, it will running palworld on any low end processor, does no matter if this a modern 2 core cpu or a ancient 4 core cpu.

honkai star rail claims requiremnet "i3" but it runs on a 16 year old processor...

But that's just it, Palworld doesn't actually require all that much.

I agree some minimum requirements are bogus but this is mainly due to simple fact that Devs are not going to waste their time even testing on hardware older then Win10 (which would be nothing older then 2015) at the very least. Usually only an indie dev will do that for a game that isn't demanding. For example you might see some $5 games where what's needed to run it is very minimal and might only be asking for Dual Core CPU, 4GB RAM,especially if their game can work properly on 32bit OS and doesn't require 64bit OS.