Windows 7, just want to make sure

[battymiles]

I'm using a rather old PC with Windows 7 OS. I was a steam client a couple of years ago, and recently reactivated my account.
The notification on OS on game downloads says that Steam downloads will only work on W10 and higher.
Just to make sure, does this mean that if I try to DL a game today (Feb 1 2024) , will it work on my laptop or not?
I dont want to throw money away on a game that wont work.
Thank you.

[pedantic_roc]

lol - you lot are too funny, by far, aside from some being absolutely clueless.

Anyway, I don't come here to argue.

I came back to say I "might" have worked out a deal with my fathers' estate executor, whereby I can get an interest free loan over three years.. yippee (fingers crossed.)

Some uninformed person, forgot the name, said W10 upgrade is free forever. Erm... try keeping up with the news buddy, Micro$oft closed that loophole months ago.

And to the person that said something along the lines of "get a new trade and work your way out of poverty" ... you do realise I've been retired for almost nine years now? Nobody will employ me at my age - lolz.

Oh yeah, My W7 is 64bit. Seriously, I don't think half of you understand the benefit of unlocking all cores of a CPU. It simply means that any single core process gets automatically spread over (in my case) Core 0, 1, 2, 3 equally. It's a huge performance boost in single core applications at the cost of a few more Watts. Plus, the CPU doesn't heat up the silicon unequally. Its a win, win.

FIO, I "did" originally buy W10, it said my PC was incompatible so I gave to my father, who threw it in the trash a few weeks later (bless him). He ran DP Computers Ltd. for many years and sold the business not long after W10 launched due to his customers' complaints about the OS, and the time spent, unprofitably, getting them operational again - until the next update hit them.

Too much hassle for him for an OS which, apparently, turned out not too bad in the end :))

I've looked into installing with legacy bios only but it needed GPT or something? (I've forgotten now). I made a bootable USB (as per the instructions) but the Dual Bios was having none of it and, as per usual, the distro went into panic mode. I even tried deleting the EFI folder to no avail :((

Hopefully I'll finally have some "positive" news the next time I look in on the forum.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

pedantic_roc původně napsal:

lol - you lot are too funny, by far, aside from some being absolutely clueless.

Anyway, I don't come here to argue.

I came back to say I "might" have worked out a deal with my fathers' estate executor, whereby I can get an interest free loan over three years.. yippee (fingers crossed.)

Some uninformed person, forgot the name, said W10 upgrade is free forever. Erm... try keeping up with the news buddy, Micro$oft closed that loophole months ago.

And to the person that said something along the lines of "get a new trade and work your way out of poverty" ... you do realise I've been retired for almost nine years now? Nobody will employ me at my age - lolz.

Oh yeah, My W7 is 64bit. Seriously, I don't think half of you understand the benefit of unlocking all cores of a CPU. It simply means that any single core process gets automatically spread over (in my case) Core 0, 1, 2, 3 equally. It's a huge performance boost in single core applications at the cost of a few more Watts. Plus, the CPU doesn't heat up the silicon unequally. Its a win, win.

FIO, I "did" originally buy W10, it said my PC was incompatible so I gave to my father, who threw it in the trash a few weeks later (bless him). He ran DP Computers Ltd. for many years and sold the business not long after W10 launched due to his customers' complaints about the OS, and the time spent, unprofitably, getting them operational again - until the next update hit them.

Too much hassle for him for an OS which, apparently, turned out not too bad in the end :))

I've looked into installing with legacy bios only but it needed GPT or something? (I've forgotten now). I made a bootable USB (as per the instructions) but the Dual Bios was having none of it and, as per usual, the distro went into panic mode. I even tried deleting the EFI folder to no avail :((

Hopefully I'll finally have some "positive" news the next time I look in on the forum.

It's not a universal fix though. Even when you do all of this, some apps/games will just apply a high usage on 1 or 2 cores; maybe 4 if you are lucky. Depending on the app/game design, how it was coded, etc. The OS or Chipset Drivers can't force the app/game to do this core spreading of its usage.

[Tonepoet]

Bad 💀 Motha původně napsal:

What game could you possibly be buying if you are running a Laptop that came with Win7? Which means its well over 10 years old.

Well, I mean, first, some people have games they bought from Steam over 10 years ago, and the only reason they can't continue to use them on their windows 7 system is if the client stops working on their older system.


Second, have you seen the minimum system requirements for Palworld? The i5-3570K is almost 12 years old[www.techpowerup.com]. Now the GTX 1050 is more like 8 years old, but it's a pretty weak 10 series card, so I wouldn't be surprised if you could run it on a GTX 970 from roughly 10 years ago anyway. In fact, the GTX 970 still seems to be very relevant, at least insofar as minimum requirements goes.

[Shaggin'Wagon]

pedantic_roc původně napsal:

Some uninformed person, forgot the name, said W10 upgrade is free forever. Erm... try keeping up with the news buddy, Micro$oft closed that loophole months ago.

It never was a "loophole". Windows 10 and Windows 11 have been free forever. Download the ISO, Make a bootable USB stick with it, During setup where it asks for the CD Key click the "Skip" button, Install Windows normally, Use windows normally, Never enter a CD Key (Possibly don't link a microsoft account to your computer, but you shouldn't do that anyway), ???? Enjoy your computer without paying for windows. This is 100% completely legal as it is provided to us as part of Microsoft Windows by Microsoft.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Tonepoet původně napsal:

Well, I mean, first, some people have games they bought from Steam over 10 years ago, and the only reason they can't continue to use them on their windows 7 system is if the client stops working on their older system.

You're a little wrong there. It's not steam preventing them from playing their favorite games it's them and their choices. They are preventing themselves from playing their games. They could upgrade to Windows 10 and continue playing all of their favorite games but they won't do it.

[Lixire]

You should be able to download new games on Windows 7 even to this day as the current client is still functioning on 7 (a quick check reveals that the current Steam client uses CEF 85).

However, I would advice against the idea of buying new games if you are running 7 as the future of Steam on the OS is very much set to die off at some point and you might be screwed by the Steamworks DRM which would require a check with the servers/client

[EMO GANGSTER]

try Linux mint it kinda has looks and fill of win 7 it run most steam games, also you could dual boot by putting Linux mint or window 10 on it and test it out to see though hard drive space can be factor here. Also window 7 is no longer supported by chrome/chromium and built-in browser relies on embedded components of chrome/chromium so i just put Linux mint on this, it is very user friendly and at times even more so then windows.

[lsdninja]

★Sinon★ <3 původně napsal:

(a quick check reveals that the current Steam client uses CEF 85).

It’s been updated to version 109.0.5414.120 in the beta, which will likely end up in the next stable client update and is the last version that supports Windows 7. It took Valve three years to move off CEF v85 so they’re probably not going to dump 109 any time soon, but they’re also not going to bother testing any backend changes or feature additions on Windows 7 going forward so the client will still break over time regardless.

[AyaSensei067]

lsdninja původně napsal:

★Sinon★ <3 původně napsal:

(a quick check reveals that the current Steam client uses CEF 85).

It’s been updated to version 109.0.5414.120 in the beta, which will likely end up in the next stable client update and is the last version that supports Windows 7. It took Valve three years to move off CEF v85 so they’re probably not going to dump 109 any time soon, but they’re also not going to bother testing any backend changes or feature additions on Windows 7 going forward so the client will still break over time regardless.

Chrome 109 is also the last supported version on Windows 8 and 8.1.

[Iron Knights]

Buy games from GoG, cheaper, no DRM, no Launcher required (but available).
Own your own games, you can download Install Files straight from their website and keep them as a backup on another drive.

[r.linder]

or just switch to Linux and stop delaying the inevitable, GOG won't protect you forever

Steam may have DRM but it's hardly an issue like it is for other software, and Valve makes up for it by all of the work they put into making gaming viable on Linux with Proton

[Iron Knights]

pedantic_roc původně napsal:

Call BS all you like you heartless bunch - Lolz :D

The problem is the mobo - Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 Rev: 2.0 - with DualBIOS

It's "stuck" with Legacy bios and no flash available to add EFI or UEFI compatibility.

@r.linder - yup, I bought the Live DVD

Cheaper than buying a USB flash drive and creating my own bootable media. Less hassle, too.

Not really a problem, running a bootable USB without UEFI, Legacy mode. Turning off Secured Boot & UEFI in a more modern system is the only way to cut into Windows 10 to modify it. Otherwise, you'll run into ownership & permission nightmares. But stick to Windows 7, it is a solid OS which 10 is built from very shoddily, you should see some of the service names...
There is no technological advancement in 10 & 11, nothing anyone needs and mostly do not want. You can get DX-12 for Windows 7 and browser APIs & Security update themselves.
Out of Options ? Checkout Pale Moon, not OS dependent. You can get other MS updates to Windows 7 long as you search and find legitimate offline install packs (distribution not developer packs).
What is Secured Boot and UEFI ? A Bios to OS shield cover that can only be needed by military & high corporate security systems, if someone next to you physically attempts to hack your bios or boot process for the 3-5 seconds it takes to start the OS. It does extend to the OS though as it protects the OS "critical functions" from being disabled, said functions determined by MS, and exclude the OS/PC Owner from that decision process. Aka undesired "security" that destroys your control of the OS, you're missing nothing.

[Lixire]

lsdninja původně napsal:

★Sinon★ <3 původně napsal:

(a quick check reveals that the current Steam client uses CEF 85).

It’s been updated to version 109.0.5414.120 in the beta, which will likely end up in the next stable client update and is the last version that supports Windows 7. It took Valve three years to move off CEF v85 so they’re probably not going to dump 109 any time soon, but they’re also not going to bother testing any backend changes or feature additions on Windows 7 going forward so the client will still break over time regardless.

Perhaps it might be updated even further, perhaps it might also require extra features like TLS 1.2 which exist on 7 but aren't enabled by default. I don't know what might happen later on

But the idea is quite simple, once the developer announced that a platform is "End of Life" then they shouldn't expect it to function properly or at all in the long term and Win7 users should be and are likely aware to that.

[AntiGrieferGames]

r.linder původně napsal:

battymiles původně napsal:

Replying to BadMotha's comment:
"It really is time to just switch to Win10 or 11 and be done with it. There really is zero excuses why anyone is still on Win7 or 8 in 2024."

Yes there is. I don't like them. Windows 7 works fine for me, it does what I want.

For now, Windows 7 will gradually lose what little usefulness it maintains as software like Steam is continually updated after leaving it behind.

Eventually, Steam will stop working for you altogether, and so will most internet browsers, but even in its current state, Windows 7 not receiving any kind of security updates for the last four years means the OS is not as secure as it should be and can put other systems on the same network at risk.

So again, if you don't like newer versions of Windows, then you should consider trying and learning how to use Linux as a future replacement for Windows altogether. Sooner you do so, sooner it becomes easy to leave Windows in the rear-view mirror.

Nobody knows Supermium for Windows 7 Browsing? oh man

Zef původně napsal:

pedantic_roc původně napsal:

I hear you, pasa

I'm stuck with W7, too. Online penetration tests show the only vulnerability I currently have Is displaying the referer header if i don't use Private Browsing. My neighbours W11 PC, however, looks like its been shot with a 16 bore elephant gun it's so vulnerable.

Circumstances, yep, I'm expected to buy a new PC capable of running W11 spyware OS.
In the next few months I have to upgrade my fire door (leasehold condition) @ £2169.34
Somehow I'm expected to replace my Gas CH system and buy an EV in the near future.

Try doing that on a State Pension, Bad (skull) Mother

There's always options.

Linux distro's (pop os/mint/..) with Steam Proton
A steam deck
Upgrade to 10/11 and learn how to disable most spyware features using GPO's, Regedit, Powershell and host file config edits.

Or just get a third party app like OOSHUTUP to do it for you if you're not tech savy.

This one breaks windows things, its safer to use manually instead using Scripts, OOSHUTUP or other unsafe s**ts.

having the same tried and its already broken whne using scripts! Not recommneded!

[AntiGrieferGames]

Tonepoet původně napsal:

Bad 💀 Motha původně napsal:

What game could you possibly be buying if you are running a Laptop that came with Win7? Which means its well over 10 years old.

Well, I mean, first, some people have games they bought from Steam over 10 years ago, and the only reason they can't continue to use them on their windows 7 system is if the client stops working on their older system.


Second, have you seen the minimum system requirements for Palworld? The i5-3570K is almost 12 years old[www.techpowerup.com]. Now the GTX 1050 is more like 8 years old, but it's a pretty weak 10 series card, so I wouldn't be surprised if you could run it on a GTX 970 from roughly 10 years ago anyway. In fact, the GTX 970 still seems to be very relevant, at least insofar as minimum requirements goes.

minimum requirements are a joke
not gonna lie, it will running palworld on any low end processor, does no matter if this a modern 2 core cpu or a ancient 4 core cpu.

honkai star rail claims requiremnet "i3" but it runs on a 16 year old processor...