After changing my GPU - it only runs at PCIe X1 speed (under load too)

[Mortis 🥒]

My specs are
Ryzen 3 2200g
Asus prime a320m-k
2*8 dual channel ram oced to 3000mhz
1 tb Seagate HDD
500 gb WD HDD
1 tb WD SSD
Currently= the GTX 1650 4gb I got for free from my friend (should be able to do PCIe x16 3.0, but max I get is pcie x1 3.0)
Old GPU = RX 460 (Ran at specified PCIe x8 3.0 just fine so)
Some 420w PSU (lol)


How do I check the PCIe speed stats? Using gpu-z

And no,under load it still says it's in the X1 slot

The Nvidia software also says I'm using the X1 slot. (And I do not,I use the topmost slot which is a x16 3.0 slot).


Any help? Thanks.

[mtono]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez _I_:

check bios settings, you can limit dedicated gpu lanes and pci-e version there too

might as well update bios too
then reset to defaults, disable the igpu, then enable xmp/docp and try again

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM4/PRIME_A320M-K/E15417_PRIME_A320M-K_UM_V3_WEB.pdf?model=PRIME%20A320M-K Page 5 here says pcie x16 is "shared" and i have an APU so.... that might be my problem

i am running the same mainboard. ich have a dedicated gpu and an AMD ryzen 5 processor (4650g pro). i had the pc running with apu and i could play doom 2016 in low quality/ 720p.
i dont think that your problem is that difficult. try c-mos or reinstall of your operating system. i cant imagine something else.
my2ct

[PopinFRESH]

post the CPUz validator link so we can see all of the hardware and configuration for your system.

The Ryzen 3 2200g only has 8 PCIe lanes available so depending on how you have things configured and what hardware you have installed you may verywell be limited on the PCIe x16 slot

But if you've may no other chances other than the GPU then I'd ask:

did you run DDU to remove the drivers before installing the other GPU?
did you install the NVIDIA drivers from their site before Windows installing drivers?
did you mess with anything in UEFI/BIOS during the change?
If you put the old card back in does it still show it running at x8?

[kiwikev]

The 2200g will limit the GPU slot to 8 lanes, i would check the contacts on the GPU for damage and if ok re-seat it to see if it brings it back to x8

[Mortis 🥒]

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post the CPUz validator link so we can see all of the hardware and configuration for your system.

The Ryzen 3 2200g only has 8 PCIe lanes available so depending on how you have things configured and what hardware you have installed you may verywell be limited on the PCIe x16 slot

But if you've may no other chances other than the GPU then I'd ask:

did you run DDU to remove the drivers before installing the other GPU?
did you install the NVIDIA drivers from their site before Windows installing drivers?
did you mess with anything in UEFI/BIOS during the change?
If you put the old card back in does it still show it running at x8?

1. yes
2. i had disabled auto driver installation from ddu so yup
3. nope
4. yes

[Mortis 🥒]

Just tried a cmos reset so I'll see

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i would try c-mos reset, and if it doesnt work afterwards, i cant really help.
byebye

EDIT: System reports x1,but the link speeds reported in cpu/gpu-z match x8,and GPU is a x16 but I think a GTX 1650 would barely reach the x16 bandwidth so very likely something is wrong with the GPU that's giving the system wrong link width readings...

I had seen a similar situation to mine in TomsHardware where someone's caps on the GPU for pci link readings just wasn't there,I guess I have the same problem....


But it works at the supposed speed when I do a benchmark and gpu-z also reports the correct link speed so I guess it's just purely cosmetic


So I assume X8 is the max I can get,unless I change to a non-apu Ryzen... (at least people say so,and so does my motherboard spec sheet[dlcdnets.asus.com])

And it seems like not having x16 isn't an issue,as a low-mid end GPU like mine couldn't be able to use the full x16 width anyways[forums.tomshardware.com]
also
backplate of my 1650[ibb.co]
1650 Vs my old 460,as it can be seen my 460 has twice as short PCIe port[ibb.co]

Also it seems like my gtx1650 GPU is a rebranded Galax (lol)

[Cathulhu]

That is correct, AMD APUs limit the PCIe slot to 8 lanes.
You'd need indeed a non Ryzen APU for the full 16 lanes.
How much you gain with a 1650, is indeed a good question, probably not that much.
Depending on the Ryzen CPU used that would give you a bigger boost than "unshackling" the GPU.
But to be honest, if using a non APU Ryzen, don't use the A320M chipset. The VRMs won't be able to cope and you'd either bottleneck the CPU performance, or even encounter system instability.

[Mortis 🥒]

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That is correct, AMD APUs limit the PCIe slot to 8 lanes.
You'd need indeed a non Ryzen APU for the full 16 lanes.
How much you gain with a 1650, is indeed a good question, probably not that much.
Depending on the Ryzen CPU used that would give you a bigger boost than "unshackling" the GPU.
But to be honest, if using a non APU Ryzen, don't use the A320M chipset. The VRMs won't be able to cope and you'd either bottleneck the CPU performance, or even encounter system instability.

I agree with the VRM part - it was going as high as 50 (yes,the motherboard )celsius on the Polaris architecture AMD GPU I had,with this newer GPU the GPU itself runs cooler under load (50) and so does the motherboard (30-40),but my friends B series intel motherboard is a lot cooler


Now for the upgrades.... Should I just change to a B series AMD chipset,or would I also benefit from upgrading my CPU to something like an AMD Ryzen 5 3600x - 7 3700x?

[Cathulhu]

B Series is fine, the X is for enthusiasts.
And if sticking with AM4, why not something like an 5000 series or is that not within your budget?

[_I_]

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I agree with the VRM part - it was going as high as 50 (yes,the motherboard )celsius on the Polaris architecture AMD GPU I had,with this newer GPU the GPU itself runs cooler under load (50) and so does the motherboard (30-40),but my friends B series intel motherboard is a lot cooler

thats because you are measuring the cpu or socket temps
not the mobo vrm temps
the board cant push enough power to the cpu for it to get hot with any aftermarket cooler

the boards mosfets around the cpu are cooking themselves
stock cooler will keep airflow on them, cooling them better than a tower or clc

cheap board is cheap for a reason
a chipset is limited to 2 dimm slots, a decent b board doesnt cost much more and most have heatsinks on the mosfets for the vrm, and probably a better vrm config that can handle 200+w to the cpu cores

[Mortis 🥒]

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I agree with the VRM part - it was going as high as 50 (yes,the motherboard )celsius on the Polaris architecture AMD GPU I had,with this newer GPU the GPU itself runs cooler under load (50) and so does the motherboard (30-40),but my friends B series intel motherboard is a lot cooler

thats because you are measuring the cpu or socket temps
not the mobo vrm temps
the board cant push enough power to the cpu for it to get hot with any aftermarket cooler

the boards mosfets around the cpu are cooking themselves
stock cooler will keep airflow on them, cooling them better than a tower or clc

cheap board is cheap for a reason
a chipset is limited to 2 dimm slots, a decent b board doesnt cost much more and most have heatsinks on the mosfets for the vrm, and probably a better vrm config that can handle 200+w to the cpu cores

yeah late reply but that would be a lot better to be fair than this A board i have with the weird vrm, and b boards are affordable

Początkowo opublikowane przez Cathulhu:

B Series is fine, the X is for enthusiasts.
And if sticking with AM4, why not something like an 5000 series or is that not within your budget?

i could afford a ryzen 5 5600x tbf

[mtono]

5600x is a good choice. a bonus is, that the 5600x is windows 11 compatible and the 2200g isnt...as far as i know.
see here:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3-2200G/4084vsm441832
byebye