Upgrading to a 5700X3D

[ansnickers314]

I currently have an AMD Ryzen 3700X with the stock Wraith Prism cooler. Would I see a noticeable bump in performance if I replaced the cpu with their new Ryzen 5700X3D? And I really dig the looks of the Wraith Prism; I want to keep it. Is the processor going to run too hot for that cooler?

[Illusion of Progress]

When I upgraded from the 3700X to the 5800X3D, the upgrade was substantial in CPU limited things. Most games are more GPU reliant, so whether that's the most effective move to make depends on what you're playing and what graphics card you currently have. A graphics card change might be more effective (though it might also be costlier).

I'm imagining the 5700X3D is likely to be a bit (~10%) slower than the 5800X3D though due to the further clock speed deficit. It's possible the 5600X3D will be slightly faster than it more often than not. However, wait for formal benchmarks and don't take my guess for much. They should be only some days away now.

I'm not sure how warm the 5700X3D will run, but the 105W TDP rating isn't reassuring in this regard. The lower clock speeds may help it run cooler, but I don't think the Wraith Prism is a good idea on it. The Wraith Prism is good for what it is (it was good enough that I put off replacing it for a few months) but I wouldn't use it with an X3D CPU. There's decent and cheap coolers like the Peerless Assassin that performs above its price. I would consider something like that.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Wraith Prism is garbage. Thermalright Peerless Assassin is around $35 and punches way above its price range, comparable to $100 stuff.

[r.linder]

You might be better off going to socket AM5 instead of getting a 5700X3D, and the Prism is not a very good cooler, only comparable to a single tower air cooler like the Hyper 212.

[Illusion of Progress]

Publicado originalmente por Rumpelcrutchskin:

Wraith Prism is garbage. Thermalright Peerless Assassin is around $35 and punches way above its price range, comparable to $100 stuff.

I found it to be surprisingly decent in the short time I used it, at least for what it is. It's better than AMD's other stock cooling. I was expecting it to be louder and more inconsistent about fan noise (this was the part that would bother me most) than it was. I ended up using it for a few months before switching from it and I don't have any major complaints to say about it.

But yes, it pales in comparison to better things, and I probably wouldn't use it on anything higher than a 3700X or so (maybe a 5600/X or 5700X?). The X3Ds would definitely warrant more, and the Peerless Assassin would be the perfect fit here.

[_I_]

what mobo?

the x3d will need a much better cooler
its layered cache cooks itself since the lower layer have to be cooled through the top layers

and if the board cant provide enough power to the cpu, it wont be any better than your current cpu
and may also be choked by the chipset, if it was not designed for it, but only 'supports' it

[C1REX]

AMD Wraith Prism cooler is rated for 105 TDP
5700x3D has 105 TDP.
What a coincidence.

So it should be enough but can potentially be loud.

TDP stands for Thermal Design Power and not power draw. 3D chips are very energy efficient but more challenging to cool due to 3D cache that works like thermal insulation.

[r.linder]

TDP isn’t an accurate comparison between coolers and CPUs.

Intel TDP is the maximum power usage at the base clock, AMD TDP is thermal watts but still adjusted to fit a certain marketed number like Intel.

The Wraith Prism has similar cooling performance as a Hyper 212 (not EVO) and from personal experience with it on a 3900X which clocked pretty low, it’ll work but it will be loud and probably won’t run as cold as 5000 series runs hotter than 3000 series despite having the same TDP ratings, because it doesn’t actually mean anything.

X3D chips in particular have been known to draw as little as 50 watts while gaming but still run upwards of 60-70 in demanding titles

[Illusion of Progress]

Yeah, the Wraith Prism may be rated for 105W but I wouldn't run it on AMD's 105W TDP CPUs. From what I've observed (and read of), the rated wattage is pretty close to the power draw for the cores alone. The 65W TDP CPUs seems to typically draw around 88W for the whole package (at least my 3700X ran up to this by default), and the 105W CPUs can apparently be up to 142W, though I expect the 5700X3D may not come close to that. Power draw is a factor in heat produced, but not in how warm something runs. The X3D CPUs need better cooling.

I like the Wraith Prism for what it is. But there's no way I'd trust it on a X3D CPU.

[r.linder]

Yeah, the X3Ds can range anywhere up to 142W depending on the load, and considering how sensitive the cache is, running a stock cooler isn’t a good idea.

[N3KKiii]

my 5600X which is 65W TDP cpu often chews up to 135W when I'm making it work

[r.linder]

Publicado originalmente por N3KKiii:

my 5600X which is 65W TDP cpu often chews up to 135W when I'm making it work

Only does that because of PBO which raises the limits from their defaults, by default 65W Ryzen processors cap off at 88W from the socket when PBO is disabled.

Also, necropost, this thread has been dead for at least 9 months.

[Mike]

This thread was quite old before the recent post, so we're locking it to prevent confusion.