Nonebit 2024 年 1 月 9 日 下午 4:36
How bad is Win10 on a HDD (and on C2Q CPUs)
Planning on building a new PC anyway in like a month or two and i'm thinking about refurbishing this current junk of a computer for my father so he can use it for work purposes downstairs (writing word or excel files and just browsing the web) along with the usual scanning and printing that i'm going to do, so it's not going to be used for gaming or anything else that's demanding. This PC is currently running Win 7 Pro 64bit and i'd like to upgrade to Win10 for the up to date security patches and the fact that other software like chrome and (obviously) steam are ending support. Now i know for a fact that you need an SSD for anything above windows 7 in general and i'm asking if it will be actually sorta usable and stable if i install win10 on a hard drive. Don't really want to spend money on this especially when i already have everything taken up for the new PC build but i can probably buy a cheap 120GB sata ssd for this to work.

Q9500
Quad Channel DDR2 800mhz (8GB in total)
GT210 1GB (this pc originally had a 750ti but it got fried in like 2020 and i needed a cheap replacement so i can at least have display so don't bully me lol)
2 HDDs (1 WD Blue and 1 Samsung) totalling around 600 gigs.
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antoniobennett72 2024 年 1 月 9 日 下午 5:26 
It was pokey but was stable at least with the 32 bit install when I put it on a last generation P4 build but that could have been mostly the P4.

Still, if you can I'd try to spring for a SSD to at least run the OS on for quality of life, it makes a drastic difference and a 256GB is pretty easy to find for around $20. Probably is worth that just to smooth out the install and not see tracers as you move the mouse.
Illusion of Progress 2024 年 1 月 9 日 下午 5:45 
A Core 2 will handle Windows 10 alright; the internet will probably be heavier on it though.

It'll be a bit better off since it has 8 GB instead of something like 4 GB.

I would definitely suggest an SSD these days, Windows 10 or not. If you were already using an HDD for Windows 7 and it wasn't causing you issues and you plan to keep about the same software suite/workflow, then I want to say it might do alright but the two times I've seen Windows 10 on a hard drive, it wasn't fantastic (one only had 4 GB RAM though, and the other might have been an installation/software thing since I reinstalled Windows when moving it to an SSD).

Windows 10 loses support at the end of next year (so just under two years left) and then it's out of support like Windows 7 is. Of course it will probably take another couple or few years beyond that before Windows 10 is in the same sort of spot Windows 7 now is, but still.
Bad 💀 Motha 2024 年 1 月 9 日 下午 6:55 
You need an ssd. They are so cheap what is the excuse still?

You don't need the ssd to have many TBs of space, even 250GB is fine. If the HDD is older then WD Black 1TB then it too is probably quite bad performance wise.

Core2Duo and Core2Quad systems are fine for Win10 even if they only have SATA2 and not SATA3

Win10 support is good til 2028
最後修改者:Bad 💀 Motha; 2024 年 1 月 9 日 下午 6:56
an annoying pirate 2024 年 1 月 9 日 下午 8:10 
i ran win 10 just fine on a ancient c2q q9650 + hd6870, but like what bad motha said, get a SSD, they are so cheap you can get a kinston 250GB for 20$.

runnin window on regular hard drive is terribly slow no matter what rig you run.

if your father upgrades you can move the SSD into a new pc, so a good SSD can be a good investment, otherwise the 20$ from kisnton will still be a huge upgrade over any HDD.
最後修改者:an annoying pirate; 2024 年 1 月 9 日 下午 8:13
Bad 💀 Motha 2024 年 1 月 9 日 下午 9:14 
SSD vs HDD will be night and day as OS housed on HDD = every PC you ever use will always be dirt slow.

With OS housed on SSD, the system is quite fluid. It actually breathes all new life in older systems which you never used an SSD on before, you'll swear it's a newer/faster system overall when you see just how fluid the entire OS can be when on an SSD.
Crashed 2024 年 1 月 9 日 下午 10:00 
There is something you can do to boost the speed of Windows 10 on HDD. Boot your PC, log in, and when things calm down open an Administrator command prompt and enter the following:
rundll32.exe advapi32.dll,ProcessIdleTasks
Wait for layout.ini to be written to C:\Windows\Prefetch then for Defrag to complete.
Once that is done, reboot, do those steps again, and repeat a few times. Every time you should notice an increase in the size of layout.ini as you further optimize the startup layout.
DonMcK 2024 年 1 月 10 日 上午 1:40 
Nothing wrong with hard disks unless you really need speed, on a system that old I wouldn't bother with SSD.
emoticorpse 2024 年 1 月 10 日 上午 1:54 
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
You need an ssd. They are so cheap what is the excuse still?

You don't need the ssd to have many TBs of space, even 250GB is fine. If the HDD is older then WD Black 1TB then it too is probably quite bad performance wise.

Core2Duo and Core2Quad systems are fine for Win10 even if they only have SATA2 and not SATA3

Win10 support is good til 2028

Pretty much this.

For OP though, Last I remember playing with even new oses on older hardware using only an HDD specifically, the performance was just totally unacceptable and I gave up on the idea. I would advise the SSD, but something else I'll mention (that I feel most people usually disregard/ignore) is that actual optical drives for some reason make a smooth install possible in my experience. So if you do put an ssd in a system that old (assuming real old motherboard too), then try burning the image onto a disc and using that as the actual source of the setup instead of from a usb drive. A lot of people will argue that (usb stick setup = optical drive setup), but I figure differently and I know most people wouldn't know that because most people quit messing with optical drives a long time ago. I'd just keep that piece of info in mind.
最後修改者:emoticorpse; 2024 年 1 月 10 日 上午 1:55
Bad 💀 Motha 2024 年 1 月 10 日 上午 2:00 
引用自 DonMcK
Nothing wrong with hard disks unless you really need speed, on a system that old I wouldn't bother with SSD.

It's not the PC; it's the OS. Yes it NEEDS an SSD.

Now if we were talking about the same PC running certain Linux distros or WinXP; then a HDD would be perfectly fine.

Vista and later OS' however run like utter complete dog crap unless it's on an SSD.
Forget speed for a moment. OS on a HDD means literally you click one little thing and you freaking wait and wait and wait. Then you can click a second thing, then wait and wait and wait. With ANY SSD, this problem is solved. Why is that? Well because a HDD can NOT multi-task, an SSD can juggle 100 things at once without breaking a sweat. Look at Drive IOPS comparisons; that's all that matters most with OS fluidity. This fluidness an SSD brings means the difference between a 5 minute job vs taking you an hour. Yes a HDD can be that slow and if your have an old HDD, it's even slower.

Think of clicking around your OS via HDD as clicking around the Web while on Dial-Up.
SSD is basically that low-ping, lightning quick broadband when you compare the two user experiences.

Forget read and write speeds, forget boot up speeds; this is not about that.

If you are still second guessing this, you must be just completely clueless. IDK what else to say.
最後修改者:Bad 💀 Motha; 2024 年 1 月 10 日 上午 2:02
Lord Flashheart 2024 年 1 月 10 日 上午 2:32 
An SSD is a must for the OS.
Also Consider a better GPU, possibly a GT 710. A GT 1030 can help with some video playback, removing load from the fairly old CPU.

If practical, consider a linux distribution.
There may be issues with drivers with scanning & printing. Oh and Libra Office is usually included.
I suggest just trying and see.

Expect the CPU fan to rev up!
ShriekViola 2024 年 1 月 10 日 上午 7:10 
I would suggest using an SSD for your active system whilst keeping your HDDs for maintaining external long term storage backups / archiving of precious data. That's what I do anyway.
最後修改者:ShriekViola; 2024 年 1 月 10 日 上午 7:14
Zefar 2024 年 1 月 10 日 上午 7:34 
If it's an old OS you can even get away with a 120 GB SSD. If you want to spend as little as possible.

A 256 GB one is mainly the most I'd get for the OS drive. Currently I'm only using 90 GB on my 256 GB OS drive on Win11.

I don't keep any games on the main drive.
So if you only use the SSD for the OS and main programs it should be enough for you.
r.linder 2024 年 1 月 10 日 上午 9:17 
Get an SSD and install something lighter like Linux Mint, it'll run better than Windows on those old Core 2 machines. A lot of Linux distros also only use a few GB for the entire OS so you can get a ~250GB SSD and still have plenty of space left for personal files.
最後修改者:r.linder; 2024 年 1 月 10 日 上午 9:18
Nonebit 2024 年 1 月 10 日 上午 10:23 
Thank you guys for the recommendations. I'll get an SSD due to everyone's recommendations.



引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
OS on a HDD means literally you click one little thing and you freaking wait and wait and wait. Then you can click a second thing, then wait and wait and wait. With ANY SSD, this problem is solved. Why is that? Well because a HDD can NOT multi-task, an SSD can juggle 100 things at once without breaking a sweat.

This is essentially why i asked in the first place, i can wait for the 2 minute boot time but the OS taking an entire minute to open chrome for me is a big no.


引用自 Lord Flashheart
Also Consider a better GPU, possibly a GT 710. A GT 1030 can help with some video playback, removing load from the fairly old CPU.

I can probably get like a 710 from a friend of mine for that. Youtube does actually struggle to load videos at 1080p

引用自 Lord Flashheart
Expect the CPU fan to rev up!

I don't mind, plus it's some sort of deepcool cooler and i think that it's going to be enough.
HypersleepyNaputunia 2024 年 1 月 10 日 上午 10:33 
will work fine with hdd, did it all the time not much slower either for normal stuff
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