Comet Lake Continues To Disappoint

[r.linder]

Link[www.tomshardware.com]

It looks like the 10900K in particular could need some serious cooling (custom loop) to get and maintain 5.3 GHz turbo clock under heavy loads. Expect to actually have to drop the cTDP and take the base clock hit in order to use less beefy cooling.

10700K isn't far behind either. Comet Lake just gets more and more disappointing and less valuable in the face of even Ryzen 3000 because it seems like it's going to cost a fair bit more in terms of cooling and PSUs.

Ryzen 4000/Zen3 just might end up being better than Comet Lake.

https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-core-i9-10900k-review-performance-benchmarks/?utm_content=buffer125ab&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgamerfb&fbclid=IwAR3p3Pyh7o3XgE6bshawD0HiQjpSHMXoZQzZCrnI5W92VcP8Bcf8rTxo4KU
https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-core-i9-10900k-overclocking-331w-peak-power/?utm_content=buffer09c5f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgamerfb&fbclid=IwAR1Ie7InKGRYJJH3jrDGvI2Jm3cIto_p6tf1-ZzW_jKBm_M0m1Bur8wHpnw

[Red™]

Based Ryzen.

[pasa]

from the article comments

•It is 87C average with 88C current. 93C was just the maximum spike and likely occurred when the cpu tried to briefly boost to its TV boost of 4.9GHz before downclocking to 4.8GHz.
•It was cooled by a 240mm water cooler with a thin rad. This 240mm watercooler is no better than a decent air-cooler and inferior to many good air-coolers like the Noctua NH U14S (and certainly inferior to the best air-coolers like the Noctua NH D15 that trade blows with the best 280mm watercoolers).
•It was tested with a load equivalent to Prime 95 small FFTs with AVX. That is like testing a building for an earthquake of 12degrees in the Richter scale, an earthquake that will never ever happen (well not until the sun goes nova or comets fell on Earth or some other such cataclysmic event occurs)
•It is with power-limits removed. Had power limits been enabled the CPU would be forced to downclock to a lower frequency where power consumption would stay at 125W. For this workload that frequency would be 4.0GHz-4.3GHz.
•As shown, with power limits removed, the CPU has no problem to turbo indefinitely at its all-core turbo 2.0 speed of 4.8GHz. And had temps stayed below 70C it would be turboing indefinitely to 4.9GHz.
•The 5.3GHz is the turbo with only 1 or 2 cores active. Turbo depends on the workload’s needs. The nature of most workloads only requires brief frequency boosts. If the workload is 1-2core and bursty the turbo will be bursty. If the workload is 1-2core and sustained then the 5.3GHz turbo will be sustained too (i.e. for as long as the workload is active). If for example you run Cinebench R15/R20 single- threaded (or dual-threaded) this CPU will have no problem maintaining that 5.3GHz speed for the entire duration of the test, even without removing power limits and even just having a simple 212EVO to cool it. In the worst-case scenario, temps will be above 70C in which case you will get a sustained 5.2GHz (which is the turbo boost 3.0 frequency which is not depended on temperature – other than TJmax that is).

[AbedsBrother]

Oh, look, an FX-9590 in 2020. Except this one's made by Intel.

[_I_]

lol fx 9590 was 4 cores with amds version of smt that was hindered by its own design

[hawkeye]

I think that the important cpus of comet lake are the mid-range ones that received hyperthreading and a small ghz boost. Recent synthetic benchmarks are promising. That's where there should be a performance improvement but at similar cpu cost. The pre-orders from stores near me have similar cpu prices to 9th gen but the mobos cost a lot more right across all brands and tech level.

Another consideration is the risk that comes with being an early adopter.

[r.linder]

Początkowo opublikowane przez hawkeye:

I think that the important cpus of comet lake are the mid-range ones that received hyperthreading and a small ghz boost. Recent synthetic benchmarks are promising. That's where there should be a performance improvement but at similar cpu cost. The pre-orders from stores near me have similar cpu prices to 9th gen but the mobos cost a lot more right across all brands and tech level.

Another consideration is the risk that comes with being an early adopter.

It'll still probably a tough sell compared to what will be the Ryzen 5 4600, especially considering Z490 is getting more expensive and it's currently the only chipset with the LGA1200 socket. They've lost their minds.

[Masque]

Escorve, did you say a few weeks back that this chip (or generation of chips) by Intel actually GOT RID OF hyperthreading?

[chiefputsilao✖️ping]

Początkowo opublikowane przez AbedsBrother:

Oh, look, an FX-9590 in 2020. Except this one's made by Intel.

the intel fan boys have had their share of good laugh. now it is the time of amd fanboys to reciprocate.

[r.linder]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Boofalo Soja:

Escorve, did you say a few weeks back that this chip (or generation of chips) by Intel actually GOT RID OF hyperthreading?

9th gen ditched hyperthreading, 10th gen has it coming back.

[Masque]

But why would they do that? I'm no genius, but it doesn't make sense.

[r.linder]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Boofalo Soja:

But why would they do that? I'm no genius, but it doesn't make sense.

Hell if I know. Most of Intel's employees seem to be incompetent.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Początkowo opublikowane przez hawkeye:

I think that the important cpus of comet lake are the mid-range ones that received hyperthreading and a small ghz boost. Recent synthetic benchmarks are promising. That's where there should be a performance improvement but at similar cpu cost. The pre-orders from stores near me have similar cpu prices to 9th gen but the mobos cost a lot more right across all brands and tech level.

Another consideration is the risk that comes with being an early adopter.

Except... The R3 and R5 both trash the intel competition...

R3 overclocked outscores the 9900KS in gaming now... And in compute loads...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JE0JPeahK4

thats a 4c/8t beating an intel 8c/16t...

Intel is screwed until they jump the 14nm bandwagon. They know it, most in tech know it, now we just have to wait for the consumer base to get it.

I litterally cant think of a single reason to even recomend a single intel part.

Prices? Too high.
Features? Too restrictive and limited.
Platform? Dead every socket (or eveyr other at best).
Performance in Multi-Core? nope.
Performance in Single Core? Debatable, but can be matched or overcome by Ryzen OC.
Performance in gaming - Now matched, and when not withing margin of error.
Performance in productivity - Nope, AMD even leads in the majoprity of the Afobe suite now
Performance in AVX? Nope, AMD has that now too...
Lower power consumption? lol, on 14nm no way
Hihger Ghz? Laughable when it needs liquid cooling to hit and cant be held.

Like, what single reason in the whole world would I have to recomend a single intel part. At every area from lowest end to HEDT they are being pwnd by AMD.

Said it before and will probably say it again. Sold off an Intel HEDT x299 platform for my x570 and have been super happy, and also beat in every bench the friend who bought the x299 to pair with a delided liquid metaled i9 12c. So happy I chose to go AMD for far less than trying to build into that x299 board.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Początkowo opublikowane przez _I_:

lol fx 9590 was 4 cores with amds version of smt that was hindered by its own design

Still, basically all Intel did was produce a 9900KS with more cores.

Seriously, just get a 3800X

[vadim]

Początkowo opublikowane przez xSOSxHawkens:

I litterally cant think of a single reason to even recomend a single intel part.

Another AMD fanboy...

[Red™]

Początkowo opublikowane przez vadim:

Początkowo opublikowane przez xSOSxHawkens:

I litterally cant think of a single reason to even recomend a single intel part.

Another AMD fanboy...

I mean he’s not wrong. AMD is winning the CPU race. I generally don’t care for any of the side, but he’s not wrong lol.