Some games are seriously lagging on Xeon E5-2690v2

[David is Back]

It seems to happen on map segments preloading. Can it bee because of my cheap SATA SSD, PCI-E 3.0 or because AMD GPUs (mine is RX 6660 XT) are screwed up for such games? Should I change my platform, if CS2 which I play most of the time is running fine, and my PC is more than OK in working tasks?

[David is Back]

Opprinnelig skrevet av MonkehMaster:

to me it seems maybe OP is experiencing game issues, or more importantly optimization issues on said games?

unless ofc said games were fine, then something on the pc was changed recently?

dont think all the specs were listed, like are you using ssd's (assuming only sata because old board? or could it support a add-in card for m.2?) and how much ram? are you running low on ram and using the paging file?

tbf, i only skimmed the thread, not reading in detail, so i may have missed hardware being mentioned, or other things.

OS and games running on same drive?

verified the game files?

have you tried turning on or off shader cache in steam and/or in your gpu? to see if that is an issue?

im assuming seeing as i seen mention of OP doing tests in other ways and ill assume that also watched hardware performance during playing said games to see if anything might point to something?

just tossin stuff out there, that may or may not have been asked/mentioned.

I'm using one 1Tb SATA SSD as a system drive and one 3Tb HDD for films, software distributives and some games I don't play.

I have a possibility to use an expansion card and one 1Tb NVME SSD, but it cannot be used while overclocking my CPU with FSB, unfortunately. But I have a mirror copy of my system drive there, so I can easily test with it.

I have 32 Gb of DDR3 RAM (HyperX Fury, frequency is somewhere between 1600 and 1800 MHz, it is non-standard because of non-standard FSB frequency).


OS and games are on the same physical SSD drive, but on different logical partitions.

OS is Windows 10 1909 (a custom ISO with some components removed, like Windows Defender, Containers and HyperV).

[David is Back]

Opprinnelig skrevet av MonkehMaster:

to me it seems maybe OP is experiencing game issues, or more importantly optimization issues on said games?

I would agree that it's an optimization issue, but DEVOUR was running ideal smoothly on a borrowed PC with Core i5 12400F and RTX 3060 with 12Gb, and with NVME SSD. So something is definitely to blame here for sure - the SSD, the CPU or the GPU. Whatever the game code quality is :)

[David is Back]

Again, if the bottleneck is an old CPU (which could be the case because of low single-core performance), why it does not struggle in CS2?

Well, it did earlier, I saw some messages in console about the thread starvation, but the devs managed to fix this in one of the updates. I mean, that warnings disappeared.

And the lags that I had previously in CS2 were caused partly by microphone usage mode (they made a special setting exactly for such case), and partly by some IPv6 Windows service, which I happily disabled since my home router does not support IPv6 anyway.

[It's Chase]

Single core performance is worse than an old 4th gen i7, so yeah its probably that. It also only uses DDR3 RAM which is extremely slow by todays standards which could cause problems. Lots of things can be the issue with a PC this old.

[David is Back]

Opprinnelig skrevet av It's Chase:

Single core performance is worse than an old 4th gen i7, so yeah its probably that. It also only uses DDR3 RAM which is extremely slow by todays standards which could cause problems. Lots of things can be the issue with a PC this old.

It's not old! I built it last year in February

[_I_]

ddr3 isnt slow, it has very low timings next to ddr4/5

[David is Back]

Opprinnelig skrevet av It's Chase:

Single core performance is worse than an old 4th gen i7, so yeah its probably that. It also only uses DDR3 RAM which is extremely slow by todays standards which could cause problems. Lots of things can be the issue with a PC this old.

How much speed do I need to have in terms of RAM read/write? Why do you think DDR3 is bad?

[It's Chase]

Opprinnelig skrevet av David Is Back:

Opprinnelig skrevet av It's Chase:

Single core performance is worse than an old 4th gen i7, so yeah its probably that. It also only uses DDR3 RAM which is extremely slow by todays standards which could cause problems. Lots of things can be the issue with a PC this old.

How much speed do I need to have in terms of RAM read/write? Why do you think DDR3 is bad?

3200mhz would be the minimum in my opinion. DDR3 caps out at 1600mhz, or sometimes a bit higher.

Keep in mind though, that even 3200mhz isn't that fast. Currently im running 5600mhz DDR5 in my PC, but 3200mhz is good enough for most people

[David is Back]

Opprinnelig skrevet av It's Chase:

Opprinnelig skrevet av David Is Back:

How much speed do I need to have in terms of RAM read/write? Why do you think DDR3 is bad?

3200mhz would be the minimum in my opinion. DDR3 caps out at 1600mhz, or sometimes a bit higher.

Keep in mind though, that even 3200mhz isn't that fast. Currently im running 5600mhz DDR5 in my PC, but 3200mhz is good enough for most people

Why do you need so high frequencies? People used to live with 1333 MHz just fine.
Do you want to say that having latency of 18-35 ns instead of 56-78 ns makes so much difference?

[r.linder]

Xeon E5-2690v2 is Ivy Bridge server CPU and over a decade old, you're having performance issues in games because of that. Even current i3s have basically double the single-core performance which is what actually matters for gaming, not multi-core. The Xeon also only clocks up to 3.6 GHz, which nowadays is base clock or lower for a lot of high end processors, combine that with the fact that it's really old and behind as a result in terms of IPC, that's why it'll struggle to beat new i3s in gaming performance, it only holds up sort of well in multi-core because it's a server CPU, not a standard desktop CPU, but for a server CPU, it's still old and slow.

DDR3 is also comparatively slow even though the latencies are so low because it's not just about latency, it's MT/s as well, even DDR4-3200 is on the slower side of system memory. Memory performance directly impacts CPU performance, slow memory holds the processor back.

Garbage SSDs with little unused capacity will also struggle, and if it lacks any DRAM cache, that added on top of that can make it as bad as a bad mechanical hard drive.

[_I_]

Opprinnelig skrevet av It's Chase:

Opprinnelig skrevet av David Is Back:

How much speed do I need to have in terms of RAM read/write? Why do you think DDR3 is bad?

3200mhz would be the minimum in my opinion. DDR3 caps out at 1600mhz, or sometimes a bit higher.

Keep in mind though, that even 3200mhz isn't that fast. Currently im running 5600mhz DDR5 in my PC, but 3200mhz is good enough for most people

what now?
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#ff=ddr3&sort=-speed&page=1
ddr3 goes upto 3200
1866 to 2400 were not uncommon

ddr3 3200 cl13 is faster than any current ddr5
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#ff=ddr3&sort=-fwl&b=ddr3,ddr4,ddr5&F=6000000,8000000
im not seeing any ddr4 or ddr5 under 8ns

[r.linder]

DDR5-5600 kits are usually CL36~40, not noticeably faster than 3200 CL16

[xSOSxHawkens]

Opprinnelig skrevet av It's Chase:

Opprinnelig skrevet av David Is Back:

How much speed do I need to have in terms of RAM read/write? Why do you think DDR3 is bad?

DDR3 caps out at 1600mhz,

My 2400Mhz CL10 wants to speak with your RAM out back please.

[It's Chase]

Opprinnelig skrevet av xSOSxHawkens:

Opprinnelig skrevet av It's Chase:

DDR3 caps out at 1600mhz,

My 2400Mhz CL10 wants to speak with your RAM out back please.

Hmm, so it's most likely your CPU, or PCIE 3 slot causing issues.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Opprinnelig skrevet av It's Chase:

Opprinnelig skrevet av xSOSxHawkens:

My 2400Mhz CL10 wants to speak with your RAM out back please.

Hmm, so it's most likely your CPU, or PCIE 3 slot causing issues.

I think you are confused, I am not the OP, nor does my DDR3 system have any issues, its running fine in a semi-retired state in the bedroom.