Some games are seriously lagging on Xeon E5-2690v2

[David is Back]

It seems to happen on map segments preloading. Can it bee because of my cheap SATA SSD, PCI-E 3.0 or because AMD GPUs (mine is RX 6660 XT) are screwed up for such games? Should I change my platform, if CS2 which I play most of the time is running fine, and my PC is more than OK in working tasks?

[David is Back]

It's Chase님이 먼저 게시:

Since OP says it happens most when it's loading assets in the background this is most likely the issue.

Ok, thanks. But just out of curioucity, what size of assets should it be to cause such big stutters? I mean, I ran the synthetic AIDA64 GPGPU test, and my read speed is around 6.8-7.1 GBs/sec. So, if I have a 1-1.5 seconds lag in "Someday You'll Return" in some chapters (that's important, I don't have stuttering closer to the end of the game where the surroundings get more and more restricted in terms of movement freedom and more corridor-like), there should be a 8-12 Gb chunk of data to preload, but that just can't be true, the whole game in question is 14.5 Gb with all the code, sounds, music, maps data etc.

Or am I wrong and the 0.8-1.2 sec stutter can be caused even by 50-100 Mb data chunk? How does it work in practice?

Btw, my SATA SSD sequential read speed is like 480-530 Mb/sec, and random read speed is close to 115-125 Mb/sec.

[David is Back]

plat님이 먼저 게시:

https://www.maxon.net/en/downloads/cinebench-2024-downloads

It said that it requires AVX2 instructions support and quitted. LOL. I guess I'll use some older version of it

[David is Back]

plat님이 먼저 게시:

For single-core cpu performance, you can run Cinebench. I think this is the latest one. It should be compatible w/Windows 11 also, for those who are running it. You're on Windows 10--right?

https://www.maxon.net/en/downloads/cinebench-2024-downloads

Is there another gpu driver to try? Are its temperatures OK during your games?

I did the test in Cinebench r15. 1490 points in CPU test

[Illusion of Progress]

David Is Back님이 먼저 게시:

Illusion of Progress님이 먼저 게시:

but the CPU itself is just old and slow now.

I can't agree, because the OS runs very smooth, and the startup time of most programs is also very low (like PhpStorm, NetBeans IDE, Chrome, Photoshop (which starts up like 3 times faster than on i5 10400F, and that correlates nicely with its synthetic score by the way).

Windows, applications, and games are all very different things.

Windows also runs very smooth on my old Core 2 Duo, something much older than slower than that Xeon.

I went from a 2500K (similar to your CPU) to a 3700X and then again to a 5800X3D. In CPU reliant games, there was a pretty substantial uplift overall (and even each time).

[David is Back]

Illusion of Progress님이 먼저 게시:

Windows also runs very smooth on my old Core 2 Duo

Hmm, I thought that modern Windows (10 and 11) requires much more powerful CPUs. My Asus G2P notebook from 2007 runs just terribly slow even on Windows 7 (but I guess it is its old HDD drive related issue).

[plat]

Yes, you should notice the fan noise increasing, absolutely. For a general gpu temp, you can check task manager/performance tab immediately after you exit out of your game if you want. I guess that's one way if one doesn't want to use an overlay software.

OK, yes I see where you had to run an older version. That's my bad actually. I think you ran the multi-core part? OK, well here is some context--the Xeon results in this source for the R15 are 1413. Good!

https://cpu-benchmark.org/cpu/intel-xeon-e5-2690-v2/

Still ongoing to try to figure it out.

Edit: I caught your comment about HDD. How is the condition of your boot drive? The game requirements, is all your hardware above the minimum? Best to be comfortably above, of course.

[David is Back]

plat님이 먼저 게시:

Yes, you should notice the fan noise increasing, absolutely. For a general gpu temp, you can check task manager/performance tab immediately after you exit out of your game if you want. I guess that's one way if one doesn't want to use an overlay software.

OK, yes I see where you had to run an older version. That's my bad actually. I think you ran the multi-core part? OK, well here is some context--the Xeon results in this source for the R15 are 1413. Good!

https://cpu-benchmark.org/cpu/intel-xeon-e5-2690-v2/

Still ongoing to try to figure it out.

Edit: I caught your comment about HDD. How is the condition of your boot drive? The game requirements, is all your hardware above the minimum? Best to be comfortably above, of course.

Comment about HDD was about the old notebook, here I run nearly all games from SSD of course (CS2, Fortnite, L4D2, the 2 games where I had stutters too).

[Mad Scientist]

This sounds about right for the CPU. Do note that synthetic benchmarks often don't give a true idea of real-world performance & demands, in addition to considering all of the hardware or type of demand. Also even while I have a high core/thread CPU, I do have to note like others likely already have; single core can matter, and not many games appear to use core/thread count like editing apps etc tend to, I rarely see a game that can use the full potential of WS CPUs.

David Is Back님이 먼저 게시:

Illusion of Progress님이 먼저 게시:

Windows also runs very smooth on my old Core 2 Duo

Hmm, I thought that modern Windows (10 and 11) requires much more powerful CPUs. My Asus G2P notebook from 2007 runs just terribly slow even on Windows 7 (but I guess it is its old HDD drive related issue).

The main issue for Win7, Win10 etc is the drive speed. For example, if you have a laptop Win7/10 may struggle and be extremely slow when using a laptop HDD compared to an SSD or NVME which is such a huge difference in performance that you'd wear it's an entirely different machine. Laptop HDDs that are older usually have a really low max speed/transfer rate compared to desktop HDDs or SSD/NVME, I once swapped an old dual core laptop from an HDD to an SSD and it was incredible for the performance difference.

The slowest part is often the measurement of the systems performance depending on the task and what it needs.

[xSOSxHawkens]

David Is Back님이 먼저 게시:

_I_님이 먼저 게시:

thats per lane
3.0 x8 = 7.877 GB/s
3.0 x16 or 4.0 x8 = 15.754 GB/s

older gpus around its strength need all 16 lanes of pci-e 3.0

if the game is constantly loading stuff or changing scenes when it stutters, then its choked by pci-e 3.0 or its 8 lanes

Then why don't reviewers tell about this fact? They only tell about "marginal" difference in frame rate between PCI-E 3.0 and 4.0, some of them mention that in case of AMD cards it can reach 18-30%, though. But no one whose reviews I had watched did tell about stuttering on scenes preload.

They dont talk about it beacuse its a *non-issuie*.

Go watch *either* of the two linked videos in this thread and *look* at the listed performance numbers for Averages *and* lows.

What do you see?

Exactly.

They are mostly the same. There is literally no major difference between them in 3/4 or more games and in the ones with a difference it is marginal. _I_ has you on a red herring hunt and has had you chasing it for awhile now. Smarten up.

For your GPU, the difference between 3.0 and 4.0 is (at best) none and (at worst) 3-5%. Nothing more. If you are seeing 10, 15, 30% differences its not the PCIe generation that is the issue its something else. Quit chasing down the wrong rabbit hole lol.

[plat]

Well, this seems like a good a time as any to do a check of all the hardware in there, esp since I'm guessing they used to run fine (with those exceptions). It doesn't hurt to try, plus your primary hardware is a bit older now.

Your mention of an HDD was just a reminder. You say you have a "cheap SSD" and although that's not inherently part of the picture, while you're at it, you might as well check it. If Health is below 50%, I would replace it. Click one of the blue tabs, the green ones are the benchmarks.

https://crystalmark.info/en/software/crystaldiskinfo/

You can also test your mem but this would require 3 or more hours of your PC's time

https://memtest.org/

You would need a small capacity USB drive with the test installed on it and then boot from it. Hopefully your BIOS will recognize it immed.

You don't HAVE to do all this, btw. You can also check the games' forums to see if anyone else is experiencing the same things you are.

[MonkehMaster]

Illusion of Progress님이 먼저 게시:

David Is Back님이 먼저 게시:

I can't agree, because the OS runs very smooth, and the startup time of most programs is also very low (like PhpStorm, NetBeans IDE, Chrome, Photoshop (which starts up like 3 times faster than on i5 10400F, and that correlates nicely with its synthetic score by the way).

Windows, applications, and games are all very different things.

Windows also runs very smooth on my old Core 2 Duo, something much older than slower than that Xeon.

I went from a 2500K (similar to your CPU) to a 3700X and then again to a 5800X3D. In CPU reliant games, there was a pretty substantial uplift overall (and even each time).

ya my old laptops with dual/duo core or dual cpu (2007 and 2011) both run win11 quite smoothly, but being what they are, their lack of speed it very noticeable, i have others, some older some newer), but dont feel like digging through my pile to mess with them yet.

my 6950x runs win 11 quite well as well.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Some final proof to put the nail in the coffin and hopefully stop the red haring debate over PCIe generation:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6600-xt-pci-express-scaling/28.html

With the 6600xt, he would have to be running at PCIe 1.1 to see even a 17% impact, and running at 3.0 his difference should be about 2%.

@OP, you still havent mentioned which 2 games you are seeing these issues with, or any specific or repeatable areas in the games where it occurs. Its entirely possible the dips are from other things related to the system. You have mentioned a number of other games you dont have issue with. What are the games with issue, and where are the issues happening?

[MonkehMaster]

to me it seems maybe OP is experiencing game issues, or more importantly optimization issues on said games?

unless ofc said games were fine, then something on the pc was changed recently?

dont think all the specs were listed, like are you using ssd's (assuming only sata because old board? or could it support a add-in card for m.2?) and how much ram? are you running low on ram and using the paging file?

tbf, i only skimmed the thread, not reading in detail, so i may have missed hardware being mentioned, or other things.

OS and games running on same drive?

verified the game files?

have you tried turning on or off shader cache in steam and/or in your gpu? to see if that is an issue?

im assuming seeing as i seen mention of OP doing tests in other ways and ill assume that also watched hardware performance during playing said games to see if anything might point to something?

just tossin stuff out there, that may or may not have been asked/mentioned.

[David is Back]

plat님이 먼저 게시:

https://crystalmark.info/en/software/crystaldiskinfo/

I did a speed test yesterday with this program, should I post the results here? Though I did not do the health test.

[David is Back]

xSOSxHawkens님이 먼저 게시:

Some final proof to put the nail in the coffin and hopefully stop the red haring debate over PCIe generation:

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6600-xt-pci-express-scaling/28.html

With the 6600xt, he would have to be running at PCIe 1.1 to see even a 17% impact, and running at 3.0 his difference should be about 2%.

@OP, you still havent mentioned which 2 games you are seeing these issues with, or any specific or repeatable areas in the games where it occurs. Its entirely possible the dips are from other things related to the system. You have mentioned a number of other games you dont have issue with. What are the games with issue, and where are the issues happening?

That's good news! :) I hope you are right.

Though it seems to me that it *can* be related to bade games optimization (where a game needs a pack of new textures in high resolution *right now*, but the system cannot deliver it fast enough - so, really, 2-3% is the FPS difference when the GPU *has* all the data loaded, as someone wrote yesterday here.

One of such games is DEVOUR (but I feel like the problem was 100% fixed after I overclocked both GPU cores and memory in the CCC panel for this game's profile).

The second one is Someday You'll Return, but it's a bad example, since I've seen a lot of videos on YouTube where streamers had these lags too (though in their case they had additional compute load on their PC because of the recording). Their freezes on preloads were shorter than mine, but, again, their were not using sprint when they happened, if that matters at all.

What I see here in common is that both games are using UE4. Also the graphics settings were set to high in both cases since I did not want to sacrifice image quality.