Some games are seriously lagging on Xeon E5-2690v2

[David is Back]

It seems to happen on map segments preloading. Can it bee because of my cheap SATA SSD, PCI-E 3.0 or because AMD GPUs (mine is RX 6660 XT) are screwed up for such games? Should I change my platform, if CS2 which I play most of the time is running fine, and my PC is more than OK in working tasks?

[It's Chase]

OP I have a feeling you're trolling somewhat now. Your CPU is not 4 years old, it's 11 years old, which is very old for any CPU no matter if it was high end or low end back when it released.

It was a bad choice back when you bought it in 2022. It's clear that you don't understand how hardware works, and must have went "Oh look!
A 10 core CPU for dirt cheap! That'll run anything for years to come!", without doing any research before buying it. This happens all the time, don't blame yourself, now you understand that it wasn't a smart decision.

Cores don't help much in gaming like others before me said. This is why a 10th gen 4 core i3 outperforms your Xeon considerably while sipping power. It's all about fast single threaded performance.

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i think that processor is designed for server use, it is not ment to run high profile games, its equal to like a 2010 processor or something.

[David is Back]

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

Xeon E5-2690 v2 was released in 2013, it's not 4 years old

It was in late 2017, stop trolling me finally.

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

and old GPUs can run it with higher framerates, that's part of why it was so popular, the accessibility. It's not proof of anything

Still there is some limit how old GPU can be to run it, hah. I guess we need at least 4 cores and at least 2.8-3.0 GHz base core speed to run it somewhat fine, no?

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

Those mitigations are there for a reason, any data you run through that Xeon could be put at risk if you're not cautious enough.

Yes, that's true. Fortunately I don't work with officialy secret information atr home (and anywhere).

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

Any program that uses AVX2 instructions would be using AVX when AVX2 isn't available (since it was just an expansion on AVX starting with Haswell architecture) which could have an impact but probably not as much as IPC.

Thanks. That makes sense for me.

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

but the temperature limits are higher than ever.

Maybe that's foolish, but I feel uncomfortable seeing such high temps (above 75-79c°). Even if it won't damage my CPU to the level where it becomes unusable (and I know about throttling protection), but anyway. Also, in summer there is too hot in my room when I'm gaming or converting game videos, and I don't have an air conditioner in my apartment.

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

Just because you bought an ~11 year old CPU 4.5 years ago

You are saying stupid things again. I bought that Xeon in January 2022, and it was definitely 4.5 years old when I decided on which CPU I would buy (not the exact model, but that it will be a used Xeon), whuch was in September 2017. Well, even if I'm wrong and it was Septemver of 2018 - that does not make a huge difference. As A&A has already written above, there were no great improvements between 4 and 7 generations (there were minor ones). And what is more important, the game in question that I was complaining about was started being developed in 2015 and came out in summer or autumn of 2017. And it's a single game, so it never really got any updates (in case you wish to say that I did not play it when it was released but played this year).

And no, I don't own an i5 11400F, I was renting it on a time basis from a company.

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

can perform the same tasks with significantly lower consumption

Didn't you say two paragraphs before that it is normal to have higher temps in modern CPUs under full load? If there is more heat, then, by the physics laws, the consumption is also higher (because all the consumed electric power eventuially is converted into heat energy).

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

and way slower than most offerings that offer the same or even more cores

If you take the server/workstation segment (don't ask me why, just for fun) we'll find out that models with the same number of cores that my model has, but newer tech process and architecture (Xeon W2235 or W2245) will cost as a new Core i7 14700, event though they were first released in 2017. Surprise!

Remember that I wanted a cheap solution? So here it is, my choice.

Another option is to get Xeon E3-1680v6, but it has only 4 cores and 8 threads, and even though its cores have higher frequency in turbo-boost (up to 4.2 GHz) and slightly higher base frequency (3.6GHz) than mine... That's still awful, in my opinion. You need at least 6 cores noweadays for gaming and work, and 8 or more is even better.

[David is Back]

Nguyên văn bởi It's Chase:

In other words, the CPU you chose may have been the best value available to you at the time, but it can also be slow now another six years after the fact.

Even when I'm testing it in a game from 2017 on medium-high settings? Again, there was even no PCI-E 4.0 at the time of its release... I don't get your logic.

But somehow I understand now what are you trying to say, yes. That things can both be true.

[Lixire]

Nguyên văn bởi It's Chase:

OP I have a feeling you're trolling somewhat now. Your CPU is not 4 years old, it's 11 years old, which is very old for any CPU no matter if it was high end or low end back when it released.

It was a bad choice back when you bought it in 2022. It's clear that you don't understand how hardware works, and must have went "Oh look!
A 10 core CPU for dirt cheap! That'll run anything for years to come!", without doing any research before buying it. This happens all the time, don't blame yourself, now you understand that it wasn't a smart decision.

Cores don't help much in gaming like others before me said. This is why a 10th gen 4 core i3 outperforms your Xeon considerably while sipping power. It's all about fast single threaded performance.

Chances are that the person bought a bundle with a chinese x79 motherboard, ddr3 ram and this old 10 core Xeon for a low price on something like Aliexpress and simply doesn't understand how cpu utilization actually works.
Happens all the time for those on a very tight budget that want something that is capable enough to handle games.

[David is Back]

Nguyên văn bởi Illusion of Progress:

You've gotten a dozen pages of replies from countless people telling you more or less the same thing, with an endless supply of information and facts to explain those things. Your reaction has been one of denial every step of the way. And you're telling everyone they are pretending to be silly?

OK, I'm sorry, let me clarify my position. The reason is that in the time I was considering an upgrade, there were no desktop CPUs with that many cores except the first Ryzens. And that first generation, well, had some problems, I've seen people complaining about stutters on YouTube in have games like "The Witcher 3", no matter how expensive was their RAM and how good was the GPU (especially on mid GPUs and RAMs).

That's why I don't want to buy some really old Ryzen now: I'll exchange in-game stutters for in-game stutters.

And if we look at 7700 and 7700K, that were available back then - I know one streamer who I love very much and watch often, he bougt 7700K of 8700K, was very unhappy with it (he could not achieve the desired speed/quality balance with encoding on streams and the CPU was very hot), so 6 months later he sold it and bought Ryzen 5950x, and he is still using it after 6 years.

And that's why I'm not interested in 7770/8700 Core i7 CPUs either.

As for 10th generation and newer - I don't have anything against it.

[David is Back]

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

ou can run Counterstrike on almost any system with integrated graphics

But you can't run Fortnite on high-epic settings anywhere, right?

But I can - playing it for the last three days. And I really don't see annoying stutters or something now (especially in PVE mode, in PvP it depends, you know, because of networking).

But yes, every game is unique: the game in question has first person view and it's graphics is not "cartoon like". So that's why it is more heavy (trees, leaves, grass, realistic urban environment).

[David is Back]

Nguyên văn bởi ★Sinon★ <3:

Chances are that the person bought a bundle with a chinese x79 motherboard, ddr3 ram and this old 10 core Xeon for a low price on something like Aliexpress and simply doesn't understand how cpu utilization actually works.
Happens all the time for those on a very tight budget that want something that is capable enough to handle games.

I sold that server chinese motherboard after that (because I did not like it, especially sound) and bough a normal desktop one, and non-ECC DDR3 memory kit :)

[David is Back]

Nguyên văn bởi Golden Unicorn:

i think that processor is designed for server use, it is not ment to run high profile games, its equal to like a 2010 processor or something.

But still it's running CS2, Paladins and Fortnite just fine, honestly.

[It's Chase]

Nguyên văn bởi David Is Back:

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

Xeon E5-2690 v2 was released in 2013, it's not 4 years old

It was in late 2017, stop trolling me finally.

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

and old GPUs can run it with higher framerates, that's part of why it was so popular, the accessibility. It's not proof of anything

Still there is some limit how old GPU can be to run it, hah. I guess we need at least 4 cores and at least 2.8-3.0 GHz base core speed to run it somewhat fine, no?

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

Those mitigations are there for a reason, any data you run through that Xeon could be put at risk if you're not cautious enough.

Yes, that's true. Fortunately I don't work with officialy secret information atr home (and anywhere).

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

Any program that uses AVX2 instructions would be using AVX when AVX2 isn't available (since it was just an expansion on AVX starting with Haswell architecture) which could have an impact but probably not as much as IPC.

Thanks. That makes sense for me.

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

but the temperature limits are higher than ever.

Maybe that's foolish, but I feel uncomfortable seeing such high temps (above 75-79c°). Even if it won't damage my CPU to the level where it becomes unusable (and I know about throttling protection), but anyway. Also, in summer there is too hot in my room when I'm gaming or converting game videos, and I don't have an air conditioner in my apartment.

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

Just because you bought an ~11 year old CPU 4.5 years ago

You are saying stupid things again. I bought that Xeon in January 2022, and it was definitely 4.5 years old when I decided on which CPU I would buy (not the exact model, but that it will be a used Xeon), whuch was in September 2017. Well, even if I'm wrong and it was Septemver of 2018 - that does not make a huge difference. As A&A has already written above, there were no great improvements between 4 and 7 generations (there were minor ones). And what is more important, the game in question that I was complaining about was started being developed in 2015 and came out in summer or autumn of 2017. And it's a single game, so it never really got any updates (in case you wish to say that I did not play it when it was released but played this year).

And no, I don't own an i5 11400F, I was renting it on a time basis from a company.

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

can perform the same tasks with significantly lower consumption

Didn't you say two paragraphs before that it is normal to have higher temps in modern CPUs under full load? If there is more heat, then, by the physics laws, the consumption is also higher (because all the consumed electric power eventuially is converted into heat energy).

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

and way slower than most offerings that offer the same or even more cores

If you take the server/workstation segment (don't ask me why, just for fun) we'll find out that models with the same number of cores that my model has, but newer tech process and architecture (Xeon W2235 or W2245) will cost as a new Core i7 14700, event though they were first released in 2017. Surprise!

Remember that I wanted a cheap solution? So here it is, my choice.

Another option is to get Xeon E3-1680v6, but it has only 4 cores and 8 threads, and even though its cores have higher frequency in turbo-boost (up to 4.2 GHz) and slightly higher base frequency (3.6GHz) than mine... That's still awful, in my opinion. You need at least 6 cores noweadays for gaming and work, and 8 or more is even better.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/75279/intel-xeon-processor-e52690-v2-25m-cache-3-00-ghz/specifications.html

Q3 2013. Not hard to find this information. It's 11 years old, stop trolling.

[David is Back]

Nguyên văn bởi It's Chase:

OP I have a feeling you're trolling somewhat now. Your CPU is not 4 years old, it's 11 years old

No. It was 4.5 years old when I made a decision to buy it (despite the fact it was not so cheap back then), and 9 years old when I actually bought it. Not 11 or anything.

Nguyên văn bởi It's Chase:

It was a bad choice back when you bought it in 2022. It's clear that you don't understand how hardware works, and must have went "Oh look!
A 10 core CPU for dirt cheap! That'll run anything for years to come!", without doing any research before buying it.

Yeap, you are totally right here, that's the case. I just multuplied core frequency by core count, and found out that I will have like x2.5 increase in performance. In fact things turned out to be not so lucky (because of lower core frequency, especially in all-core operation), but in tasks like video conversion I got even more than x2 increase, in fact (or slightly lower, like 1.8x-1.9x, I don't remember).

The problem is that my old CPU was overclocked to 4.1 GHz, and in all-core mode it dropes only to 4.0 GHz, while my Xeon 2690v2 runs at 3.4 GHz with FSB overclock and dropes to 3.0 GHz under load when more than 1 core is active. So that is the real pain and the main disadvantage.

And it you say "never compare CPU performance like that, you fool" - I will say that it's fine *here*, in the case of a single tech process and architecture and the same vendor. Because I compared Sandy Bridge i5 with Ivy Bridge Xeon (2012 and 2013 years of release), that method of calculation has its right to be in this situation.

[David is Back]

Nguyên văn bởi It's Chase:

Q3 2013. Not hard to find this information. It's 11 years old, stop trolling.

I know it's Q3 2013, so what? I'm not trolling, you are trolling. I told here many times before that people usually make a full upgrade once in 4-5 years, and my previous PC was built in July 2012, so I decided to make an upgrade in the end of 2017. Why do you think I'm lying? What's the point of doing it?

[A&A]

Nguyên văn bởi A&A:

Look. I'll put it this way and you'll surely understand me. What you have is like buying a Trabant 601 made 4 years ago, but the car uses the same technology from 60 years ago. The only new thing is the materials that are used, but the technology is old and compared to new cars, it is correct to say that this is not a new car. It's the same with processors, but they tend to have way smaller periods.

Nguyên văn bởi A&A:

Nguyên văn bởi David Is Back:

I get your point, really, but the analogy is incorrect. Trabant's technology is really 60 years old, whereas for a CPU 4-5 years is not so much, especially for server models (that are released behind desktop by 1-2 generations).

They have a very short period due to the rapid improvements every year. Only if we ignore Intel Core from 5th to 7th generation, where they mainly worked on energy efficiency. Offices typically replace their work computers every 3-5 years.

-25-30 years ago we used 32-bit processors.
- The first 1GHz CPU in 2000
- In 2002 tbe first 3GHz CPU
-In 2003, the first X86-64 processor and hyper threading appeared.
-2006 the first dual-core and the first quad-core processor.
-x86-64-v2 appeared in 2010.
-The first eight-core CPU in 2011 for desktop PC
-x86-64-v3 appeared in 2013 with Intel's Haswell architecture.
-The first 5GHz CPU in 2013
- DDR4 was released in 2014
-x86-64-v4 appeared in 2015 for Intel's Xeon Phi co-processors, Skylake eXtreme edition later for Rocket Lake and for AMD's Zen 4.
-DDR5 was released in 2020
-The last year we got the first 6GHz CPU.

I bring this back, because the CPU according to you is new. But even if we take the unsupported claim still this is not performing as a new CPU.

But what about 8th gen to 14th gen intel core CPUs, do they have improvements? Yes.

[David is Back]

Again, in 2022, when I finally had some savings and a full time job to make this upgrade, there were newer Xeons on sale, but they were

1. Very expensive even when used, sometimes more that desktop i5 and i7 CPUs
2. Had too many cores for my tasks and too low base frequencies (like 1.6-2.6 GHz)
3. In fact out of the first three Xeon generations only the second one had the models that suited me in terms of base and Turbo Boost frequency, that's why I chose CPU from it

So, see the point - I had an idea to try buying a Xeon and building a new platform with it as a core, but even though the real action was postponed by several years, nothing changed in terms of the affordable server CPU models (only 1st and 2nd generation Xeons became 3 times cheaper, which was even more good for me).

[r.linder]

Nguyên văn bởi David Is Back:

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

Xeon E5-2690 v2 was released in 2013, it's not 4 years old

It was in late 2017, stop trolling me finally.

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

and old GPUs can run it with higher framerates, that's part of why it was so popular, the accessibility. It's not proof of anything

Still there is some limit how old GPU can be to run it, hah. I guess we need at least 4 cores and at least 2.8-3.0 GHz base core speed to run it somewhat fine, no?

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

Those mitigations are there for a reason, any data you run through that Xeon could be put at risk if you're not cautious enough.

Yes, that's true. Fortunately I don't work with officialy secret information atr home (and anywhere).

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

Any program that uses AVX2 instructions would be using AVX when AVX2 isn't available (since it was just an expansion on AVX starting with Haswell architecture) which could have an impact but probably not as much as IPC.

Thanks. That makes sense for me.

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

but the temperature limits are higher than ever.

Maybe that's foolish, but I feel uncomfortable seeing such high temps (above 75-79c°). Even if it won't damage my CPU to the level where it becomes unusable (and I know about throttling protection), but anyway. Also, in summer there is too hot in my room when I'm gaming or converting game videos, and I don't have an air conditioner in my apartment.

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

Just because you bought an ~11 year old CPU 4.5 years ago

You are saying stupid things again. I bought that Xeon in January 2022, and it was definitely 4.5 years old when I decided on which CPU I would buy (not the exact model, but that it will be a used Xeon), whuch was in September 2017. Well, even if I'm wrong and it was Septemver of 2018 - that does not make a huge difference. As A&A has already written above, there were no great improvements between 4 and 7 generations (there were minor ones). And what is more important, the game in question that I was complaining about was started being developed in 2015 and came out in summer or autumn of 2017. And it's a single game, so it never really got any updates (in case you wish to say that I did not play it when it was released but played this year).

And no, I don't own an i5 11400F, I was renting it on a time basis from a company.

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

can perform the same tasks with significantly lower consumption

Didn't you say two paragraphs before that it is normal to have higher temps in modern CPUs under full load? If there is more heat, then, by the physics laws, the consumption is also higher (because all the consumed electric power eventuially is converted into heat energy).

Nguyên văn bởi r.linder:

and way slower than most offerings that offer the same or even more cores

If you take the server/workstation segment (don't ask me why, just for fun) we'll find out that models with the same number of cores that my model has, but newer tech process and architecture (Xeon W2235 or W2245) will cost as a new Core i7 14700, event though they were first released in 2017. Surprise!

Remember that I wanted a cheap solution? So here it is, my choice.

Another option is to get Xeon E3-1680v6, but it has only 4 cores and 8 threads, and even though its cores have higher frequency in turbo-boost (up to 4.2 GHz) and slightly higher base frequency (3.6GHz) than mine... That's still awful, in my opinion. You need at least 6 cores noweadays for gaming and work, and 8 or more is even better.

Ryzen 5s drawing up to 88W can run over 80 degrees with the stock cooler, heat isn’t always just about energy consumption. You have a much finer manufacturing process that has transistors densely packed with less space between them, it’s able to heat up much faster.


That said, you’re the one saying stupid things by suggesting that everyone else here is wrong about your CPU not being 4 years old. Your Xeon released in 2013, I don’t give a crap how old you think it is, it’s upwards of 11 years old and uses an 11 year old architecture that lacks important instruction sets, has low single core IPC, and doesn’t clock that high due to its core count for the time period, that’s why gaming performance isn’t all there.

So like I said, if you have the 11400F, just use that as a gaming machine and use the Xeon for other things it supposedly does faster, and stop wasting our time with your trolling antics. I literally linked Intel ARK earlier and you ignored it, it shows the launch date for that CPU, and to Silicon Valley, it’s an 11 year old chip even if it was manufactured sooner than the first batch, that’s how it’s always freaking worked, because it doesn’t matter when it was made, it’s still an 11 year old design and architecture with the same specifications regardless of if it was made in 2013, or 2023.