Citizen Cook 2023 年 12 月 19 日 上午 1:49
Steam Console
I’ve been hearing rumours about a Steam Console in development at Valve. These rumours from IGN India say that the machine will have a custom SoC just like the Steam Deck made by AMD. It will run Steam OS, and is said to be designed specifically to connect to the Deckard, Valve’s next VR headset.

What do you guys think about this? Personally I’m really excited about the possibility of a Steam console that could play all of my existing Steam games and all the latest ones as well on my TV or monitor. The only negative would be a lack of upgradability but the benefits would be in cost savings. Valve have been able to sell the Steam Deck for a very low price because A. They are not greedy, and B. They can get a great deal from AMD. Something we can’t do. I mean, a decent GPU alone, equivalent to whatever is in the Steam console will be far more expensive than the entire console.

As gamers we’re being squeezed pretty hard by nGreedia. An AMD card is cheaper, but still very expensive. I game on an OLED TV with a controller. I therefore need to play at 4K resolution. I’m currently rocking a 3080 12GB. I payed £700 for it in the UK.

If I want to buy nGreedia’s latest 4K card the 4080 I need to pay about £1080
The AMD equivalent is the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX and that would set me back £1000
That’s an insane price bump. PC gaming has become unsustainable for me.
I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t just want a Steam console, I NEED a Steam console!
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C1REX 2023 年 12 月 19 日 上午 2:58 
AMD has experience with the PS5 and Xbox. To me, consoles are like standalone GPUs with an integrated CPU, NVMe, and no need for slow system memory. Windows can't yet utilize GDDR6 for system memory, but this shouldn't be an issue for a custom gaming system (perhaps a Linux distro?).

I believe this approach could halve hardware costs. It eliminates the need for a separate motherboard, CPU, RAM sticks, an individual PSU, and allows for much smaller packaging and better software optimization.
最后由 C1REX 编辑于; 2023 年 12 月 19 日 上午 3:16
Phénomènes Mystiques 2023 年 12 月 19 日 上午 3:01 
Consoles are going digital...
Citizen Cook 2023 年 12 月 19 日 上午 7:22 
引用自 Wynters
Consoles are going digital...

Modern consoles are basically PC’s with walled gardens. I hope Valve disrupt the market with a Steam console and bring traditional console gamers into the PC gaming fold.
Haruspex 2023 年 12 月 19 日 上午 7:39 
Maybe. They've found success with the Steam Deck. They could apply what they've learned there to another Steam Machines attempt, this time in-house.

It's all speculation though. IGN India doesn't have any more of an idea than you or I do.

引用自 Citizen Cook
If I want to buy nGreedia’s latest 4K card the 4080 I need to pay about £1080
The AMD equivalent is the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX and that would set me back £1000
That’s an insane price bump. PC gaming has become unsustainable for me.
I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t just want a Steam console, I NEED a Steam console!

You don't need a 4090 or a 7900 XTX to play PC games, and a Valve console won't compare to the performance of those excessive, luxurious, and expensive cards. Even looking at modern consoles, a PS5 has the rough performance equivalent of a 2070, which can be had for about $300 USD. Saying you can't afford PC gaming because a 4090 is expensive is like saying you can't afford to drive because a Lamborghini is $400,000.

I will say I sold my PS4 Pro earlier this year, and I'm looking at putting together a HTPC to fill the hole where my PS4 sat. I'm holding off a bit though in case Valve announces something.
最后由 Haruspex 编辑于; 2023 年 12 月 19 日 上午 7:40
Citizen Cook 2023 年 12 月 19 日 上午 11:22 
引用自 Haruspex
Maybe. They've found success with the Steam Deck. They could apply what they've learned there to another Steam Machines attempt, this time in-house.

It's all speculation though. IGN India doesn't have any more of an idea than you or I do.

引用自 Citizen Cook
If I want to buy nGreedia’s latest 4K card the 4080 I need to pay about £1080
The AMD equivalent is the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX and that would set me back £1000
That’s an insane price bump. PC gaming has become unsustainable for me.
I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t just want a Steam console, I NEED a Steam console!

You don't need a 4090 or a 7900 XTX to play PC games, and a Valve console won't compare to the performance of those excessive, luxurious, and expensive cards. Even looking at modern consoles, a PS5 has the rough performance equivalent of a 2070, which can be had for about $300 USD. Saying you can't afford PC gaming because a 4090 is expensive is like saying you can't afford to drive because a Lamborghini is $400,000.

I will say I sold my PS4 Pro earlier this year, and I'm looking at putting together a HTPC to fill the hole where my PS4 sat. I'm holding off a bit though in case Valve announces something.

I never mentioned a 4090. I said a 4080 or AMD equivalent. Those are 4K cards.
And the SoC in the consoles cannot be so clearly compared to PC parts, especially since console games are highly optimised. A PC gamer has to overspec to get the same performance.

I dare you to try and get Jedi Survivor for example running and looking anywhere as good on a television with a 2070 as the PS5 does.

Not only would a Steam console save us huge amounts of money it would also allow devs to target fixed hardware in the PC space just as they already do with the Steam Deck.
最后由 Citizen Cook 编辑于; 2023 年 12 月 19 日 上午 11:23
Cathulhu 2023 年 12 月 22 日 下午 12:01 
You are aware that this article is three months old, right?
Nothing happened in that regard since then.

Well, besides the SteamLink VR for wireless VR.
最后由 Cathulhu 编辑于; 2023 年 12 月 22 日 下午 12:02
Citizen Cook 2023 年 12 月 22 日 下午 12:13 
引用自 Cathulhu
You are aware that this article is three months old, right?
Nothing happened in that regard since then.

Well, besides the SteamLink VR for wireless VR.

Valve Time. I’m aware product launches are delayed all the time, particularly at Valve. And 3 months isn’t a very long time. Besides, it was said to launch end of year. So the supposed delay hasn’t even technically happened yet.🙂

But even so, even if the leaks turn out to be false, the concept is sound.

Steam machines made by Valve instead of greedy third party’s would be epic.
Cathulhu 2023 年 12 月 22 日 下午 12:19 
So far we only have rumors. There hasn't ever been any credible information about such a device.

Considering how badly Valve burned themselves with the Steammachines, i'm not sure they will try again. The SteamDeck addresses a niche that consoles don't. Which is the main advantage of the SteamDeck, not having to compete with either Playstation or Xbox consoles.
Agent 2023 年 12 月 22 日 下午 1:06 
I hope it happens. It'll captivate a larger audience into PC gaming and really that's all we want.
Agent 2023 年 12 月 22 日 下午 1:07 
引用自 Cathulhu
So far we only have rumors. There hasn't ever been any credible information about such a device.

Considering how badly Valve burned themselves with the Steammachines, i'm not sure they will try again. The SteamDeck addresses a niche that consoles don't. Which is the main advantage of the SteamDeck, not having to compete with either Playstation or Xbox consoles.
A Valve console would get more sales than a playstation or xbox combined if the hardware was near on par. People don't enjoy locked down eco systems, and want PC's for cheap.
Citizen Cook 2023 年 12 月 23 日 上午 2:07 
引用自 Stacked
引用自 Cathulhu
So far we only have rumors. There hasn't ever been any credible information about such a device.

Considering how badly Valve burned themselves with the Steammachines, i'm not sure they will try again. The SteamDeck addresses a niche that consoles don't. Which is the main advantage of the SteamDeck, not having to compete with either Playstation or Xbox consoles.
A Valve console would get more sales than a playstation or xbox combined if the hardware was near on par. People don't enjoy locked down eco systems, and want PC's for cheap.

Exactly. The situation now is completely different than 2014.
Last time you could build a PC relatively cheaply. Now you can’t.
Last time Valve asked third party vendors to build the boxes with off the shelf components which coupled with corporate greed resulted in very expensive underpowered boxes. This time Valve could create a custom SoC with AMD with would be result in a cheaper box.
Furthermore, SteamOS is now a powerhouse. It’s the envy of the entire PC world. It gives the user a console user interface without sacrificing tweakability or the freedom of an open PC ecosystem.

Steam Deck is a fantastic device for handheld PC gaming, but there is a huge segment of PC gamers who have no interest in portable gaming. They like to play on a monitor or a large TV. For that we need a Steam console. Imagine playing the latest AAA PC games at 4K/60fps with FSR3 or 1440\120fps on a box that costs less than a comparable graphics card alone!

I think a LOT of PC gamers would buy a new Steam Console every 3 or 4 years or whatnot instead of buying a new GPU (plus other expensive components) every 3 or 4 years.

Then imagine the incredible synergy Valve can create between a Steam Console, Deck, and VR headset.
Agent 2023 年 12 月 23 日 上午 3:20 
引用自 Citizen Cook
引用自 Stacked
A Valve console would get more sales than a playstation or xbox combined if the hardware was near on par. People don't enjoy locked down eco systems, and want PC's for cheap.
I think a LOT of PC gamers would buy a new Steam Console every 3 or 4 years or whatnot instead of buying a new GPU (plus other expensive components) every 3 or 4 years.
And this is maybe what AMD fears. That it'll decrease the sales of their discrete GPU's.
PopinFRESH 2023 年 12 月 23 日 上午 6:53 
Doubtful. Those rumors were likely a result of the "leaks" found in the Linux updates for 'Galileo' and 'Sephiroth'; which turned out to be the Steam Deck OLED refresh and the die-shrunk APU.
Revelene 2023 年 12 月 23 日 上午 7:54 
This is a prime example why you should never believe any leaks, because it usually ends up being something else entirely. It just gets you all hyped and lets you down in the end. At least the Steam Deck OLED is still good for what it is.

Your idea of making a PC but have it a console and be cheaper is not plausible. The reason why consoles are cheaper are because of inferior hardware and the fact that they sell them at a loss.

So, sorry to say, your dream of Gaben riding in on a pearl horse to sweep you off your feet just isn't going to happen. Well, kinda... the Steam Deck is an amazing handheld that holds its own. While not quite a pearl horse, you could say that he came in a Honda Fit or something.
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