Beginner-friendly Linux version to use with this PC?

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NeutronVortex 2023年12月18日 11時39分

Hello, I'm wondering what would be a good version of Linux to install on an old Dell T1700 Workstation. This very one right here, to be specific:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Q6DDFK1?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

This would be my first Linux PC so I'm looking for a version that is as beginner friendly as possible.

Secondly, the gfx card I plan to use is a gtx 1050 2gb, but from what I'm reading Nvidia cards could potentially have issues on Linux so I'd also be curious in an alternative sub ~75 watt tpd gfx card that is compatible with whichever Linux OS you are recommending also, if possible. Thx in advance for your time.

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Electric Cupcake 2023年12月18日 12時56分

Nvidia is notoriously uncooperative with open drivers, so no matter what distro you use, you'll either wind up with the messy, cobbled together Nouveau drivers, or the black-boxed proprietary drivers. But that's more an ideological consideration.

Anyway, Mint and ZorinOS are often cited as the most newbie-friendly.

For old hardware, a low-resource distro like Lubuntu and Kubuntu would be good.

retro_Ed 2023年12月18日 14時18分

Use Pop_OS!

And reason is that Pop_OS! have straight out of the box option to download and install Nvidia version for your system.

So everything is installed. Including Nvidia drivers at one session.

After installing new OS install Steam from Pop_OS! store.
And after installing Steam, enable from Steam settings, compatibility....
STEAM PLAY
Support for all games.

NeutronVortex 2023年12月18日 16時32分

Thx guys. After watching several videos, I think I'm going to go with Mint and just stick with the gtx 1050 2gb for now. The rtx a2000 looks interesting but geez, those prices... :/

retro_Ed の投稿を引用：
Use Pop_OS!

I watched a video earlier of that guy Linus an he accidentally wiped a fresh pop os install trying to install Steam. If some tech guy with 15 mil subs can screw up that bad with pop os, I think I'm gonna stay away, haha.

[N]ebsun 2023年12月18日 17時12分

Debian - the origins of many distros
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg

NeutronVortex 2023年12月18日 17時34分

Nebsun の投稿を引用：
Debian - the origins of many distros
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg

That graph is very, confusing tbh.

Unix is original Linux right? I actually had to order product on an old Unix computer at my last job. It was so weird seeing this ancient relic lined up next to all the flashy new PCs, printers and fax machines.

Electric Cupcake 2023年12月18日 17時49分

NeutronVortex の投稿を引用：
Nebsun の投稿を引用：
Debian - the origins of many distros
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg

That graph is very, confusing tbh.

Unix is original Linux right? I actually had to order product on an old Unix computer at my last job. It was so weird seeing this ancient relic lined up next to all the flashy new PCs, printers and fax machines.

Unix and it's derivatives were the most popular OS in the 70s among the original hackers and hobbyists who liked how modular and easy to modify it was. Bell Labs technically owned it, but they were too busy fighting federal antitrust rulings to do much about the rampant unauthorized modification, at least for a while.

Eventually, companies started cracking down on unauthorized altering and sharing of software, so the GNU project was founded with the intention of making a free clone of Unix that everyone is free to alter and share.

I believe Solaris was the last descendant of true Unix.
https://www.deviantart.com/bellacielo/art/Linux-tan-comic-page-1-104607537

Electric Cupcake 2023年12月18日 18時00分

After Ubuntu switched from sensible Gnome to the horrible, fugly Unity interface, I used plain Debian for a while. The packages were often outdated compared to Xubuntu and Kubuntu, but I understand they've gotten better.

Bad 💀 Motha 2023年12月18日 19時39分

No, if you want both stability and strong support for NVIDIA GPUs, try FEDORA

retro_Ed 2023年12月18日 20時55分

NeutronVortex の投稿を引用：
Thx guys. After watching several videos, I think I'm going to go with Mint and just stick with the gtx 1050 2gb for now. The rtx a2000 looks interesting but geez, those prices... :/

retro_Ed の投稿を引用：
Use Pop_OS!

I watched a video earlier of that guy Linus an he accidentally wiped a fresh pop os install trying to install Steam. If some tech guy with 15 mil subs can screw up that bad with pop os, I think I'm gonna stay away, haha.

It was the worst nightmare for System76. There was a nasty bug which caused whole situation.
Lessons learned !
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/11/system76-patches-apt-for-pop-os-to-prevent-users-breaking-their-systems/

Before installing you can run system from usb drive. Not just Pop_OS! but Mint, Ubuntu etc...
This gives you a real feel and look how different systems works & behave.

r.linder 2023年12月18日 22時27分

NeutronVortex の投稿を引用：
Hello, I'm wondering what would be a good version of Linux to install on an old Dell T1700 Workstation. This very one right here, to be specific:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Q6DDFK1?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

This would be my first Linux PC so I'm looking for a version that is as beginner friendly as possible.

Secondly, the gfx card I plan to use is a gtx 1050 2gb, but from what I'm reading Nvidia cards could potentially have issues on Linux so I'd also be curious in an alternative sub ~75 watt tpd gfx card that is compatible with whichever Linux OS you are recommending also, if possible. Thx in advance for your time.

Pop!_OS is a good beginner distro for gaming with an older NVIDIA GPU. Last I heard, all Ubuntu 22.04 based distros like Pop!_OS and Mint lack drivers for the latest generation of GPUs, only up to GeForce 30 series and RX 6000 series and they're usually a bit behind, so keep that in mind in the off chance that you get something very new in the future to replace the 1050.

Pop!_OS had some issues in the past but it's in the past now.

Electric Cupcake の投稿を引用：
Nvidia is notoriously uncooperative with open drivers, so no matter what distro you use, you'll either wind up with the messy, cobbled together Nouveau drivers, or the black-boxed proprietary drivers. But that's more an ideological consideration.

Anyway, Mint and ZorinOS are often cited as the most newbie-friendly.

For old hardware, a low-resource distro like Lubuntu and Kubuntu would be good.

NVIDIA drivers are fine on Linux, I haven't had any issues with them on Pop!_OS, EndeavourOS, Mint, Garuda Linux, etc.
The only real issue with them is that if there's a serious issue with their proprietary driver then you're pretty much SOL until they fix it in a future patch, but I haven't seen anything like that as I said.

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RageQuit 2023年12月19日 1時17分

For gaming and user friendly I'd recommend Nobara. Everything you need, including nvidia drivers are included in the distro.

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[N]ebsun 2023年12月19日 1時28分

NeutronVortex の投稿を引用：
Nebsun の投稿を引用：
Debian - the origins of many distros
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg

That graph is very, confusing tbh.

Unix is original Linux right? I actually had to order product on an old Unix computer at my last job. It was so weird seeing this ancient relic lined up next to all the flashy new PCs, printers and fax machines.

Basically it's like a tree, with branches coming out - it shows the relationship between distros, the timeframe they were / are active, and where they originated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
Unix and Linux are separate things - Unix was copyrighted, which loosely resulted in the birth of GNU and Linux - which are somewhat based on Unix (but not copied.. anymore)
Linux is the kernel, and GNU is the set of tools that is usually shipped with the Linux kernel, which is GNU/Linux distro ( but mostly just called "Linux" out of.. laziness? )

Even before Unix, there was multix ? multex ? but it didn't work as expected, which kind of birthed Unix.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multics

Here's a simpler timeline with Unix included
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#/media/File:Unix_timeline.en.svg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU
Note the recursive acronym in G N U : "GNU's Not Unix!"

Kernel + Tools = OS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Linux_layers

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N3tRunn3r 2023年12月19日 2時47分

At first Linux is way more "COMPLEX" than Windows. If you are not a "tech-enthusiast", Linux is nothing for you. If you like command prompts, then Linux is for you, just in the good old MS-DOS days..

There are advanced Linux Distributions, and newbie-friendly Distribs... all mentioned Linux Distros below are STABLE, non-bloated, highly supported and recommended!

For newcomers I recommend LINUX MINT Debian Edition (2.):

Debian[www.debian.org]
Mint Debian[linuxmint.com]
Arch Linux[archlinux.org]

Helpful: Arch compared to other distributions[wiki.archlinux.org]

Switch or stay on Windows 11, and move instantly over to Windows 12 next year.

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NeutronVortex 2023年12月19日 13時15分

Nebsun の投稿を引用：
NeutronVortex の投稿を引用：
That graph is very, confusing tbh.
...
Basically it's like a tree, with branches coming out - it shows the relationship between distros, the timeframe they were / are active, and where they originated.

I saw familiar names, like for example Commodore releasing in 2010, which didn't make sense, and I also kept expecting to see Unix as the root of everything but never did(which you and others explained). Now that I've got some sleep I see it says CommodoreOS and not Commodore 64. >.<

N3tRunn3r の投稿を引用：
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For newcomers I recommend LINUX MINT Debian Edition (2.):
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Yeah I'm leaning towards Mint(I'm looking at kubuntu and popos too. I watched a vid on Fedora 39 also - Thx Bad Motha. Lots of choices.)

From the Arch Linux link you posted:
"Incoming changes in JDK / JRE 21 packages may require manual intervention..."
"ansible-core >= 2.15.3-1 update may require manual intervention..."
"budgie-desktop >= 10.7.2-6 update requires manual intervention..."

I don't know what any of that stuff is but 'manual intervention' doesn't sound ideal. otoh, I've seen people reply in 'new to linux...' type posts on reddit that regardless of the version you choose odds are you're going to have to learn about using the cmd line to fix problems yourself eventually.

尺．し工几ᗪヨ尺 の投稿を引用：
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Last I heard, all Ubuntu 22.04 based distros like Pop!_OS and Mint lack drivers for the latest generation of GPUs, only up to GeForce 30 series and RX 6000 series and they're usually a bit behind, so keep that in mind in the off chance that you get something very new in the future to replace the 1050.

Noted, thank you!

Gh0st_Harambe の投稿を引用：
For gaming and user friendly I'd recommend Nobara. Everything you need, including nvidia drivers are included in the distro.

I'll check it out, thx.

Electric Cupcake の投稿を引用：
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I believe Solaris was the last descendant of true Unix.
https://www.deviantart.com/bellacielo/art/Linux-tan-comic-page-1-104607537

I can't find the rest of that comic. :/
Btw, thx to you, I spent an hour last night before bed reading about Solaris' development/history. Why? lol.

Edit: The delivery date the Dell T1700 is now pushed back past Christmas. :(

At least it's being shipped via UPS - in my exp FedEx drivers don't give a %&$^(throw around packages, leave them in the rain, instead of on the porch under the roof and so on.)

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