what is the deal with AiO coolers do you need to top them up ?

[Masychefx2]

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[Viking2121]

Messaggio originale di MancSoulja:

Messaggio originale di Stacked:

My brother lost his £2000 pc because of a water leak. He had his AIO for 4 years. I’ve never considered shifting to it since then.

They don't use conductive liquids on AIOs, what planet are you on. :tgrin:

Nice made up story though.

All though rare, it can and has happened, I remember corsair replacing entire system from one leaking onto a GPU and board years ago, Though not conductive can still wreak havoc in the right scenario, In fact I had a Corsair GTX H100i leak, though not enough to actually drip onto anything, leaked from the barbs on both inlet and outlet from the rad, I still wouldn't want that in my system, Corsair overnight me a replacement, crazy good RMA.

Though it is rare and I wouldn't worry, just get one from a company that actually stands behind them like Corsair, NZXT. Screw the others like MSI, Enermax, Thermaltake, Lian li or Asus, they can't even fix their known issues or wont admit their crap sucks (MSI/Enermax) or have a RMA department ran by idiots.

[Crawl]

Messaggio originale di MancSoulja:

Messaggio originale di Stacked:

My brother lost his £2000 pc because of a water leak. He had his AIO for 4 years. I’ve never considered shifting to it since then.

They don't use conductive liquids on AIOs, what planet are you on. :tgrin:

Nice made up story though.

While technically true under perfect conditions all it takes is a little debris in the radiator or some dust particles in the pc to make those liquids conductive. If I had an AIO leaking I would definitely consider it conductive. That being said I use AIOs, never had any leaks or other issues.

[Monk]

If its not miss treated, like swing around by the hoses, it's very, very unlikely an aio will develop a leak over time, I suspect the guys brother did something daft, failing that, the handful of leaks I've heard about over the tears, the manufacturers stepped up and replaced the damaged parts.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

I advise strongly against watercooling AIO or custom.

-the performance gain vs proper aircooling is not as large as you think

but WHAT a headache it gives.

I have since 2016.. made over 3000 euro in costs due watercooling.

this cause pumps keep dying on me at a ratio of once per 1.5 years.. classic 140mm fans last a WHOLE lot longer..

on top of that pumps are not standard, so when it died that model was no longer made, and a replacement that fit in your case is very hard t find + it totally messes up the look of your build

an d than there are the massive costs.. over 2000 in labour alone.. due most stores NOT wanting to deal with watercooled systems.. meaning you spend weeks to find anybody to want to do your repair for you.. and than something as simple as swapping out your motherboard can cost well over 1000 in labour...

also if the pump in a watercooling stops.. your pc overheats FAST.. if something is aircooled it does not overheat as fast...
duet here are always other fans still providing airflow..

[r.linder]

Messaggio originale di De Hollandse Ezel:

I advise strongly against watercooling AIO or custom.

-the performance gain vs proper aircooling is not as large as you think

but WHAT a headache it gives.

I have since 2016.. made over 3000 euro in costs due watercooling.

this cause pumps keep dying on me at a ratio of once per 1.5 years.. classic 140mm fans last a WHOLE lot longer..

on top of that pumps are not standard, so when it died that model was no longer made, and a replacement that fit in your case is very hard t find + it totally messes up the look of your build

an d than there are the massive costs.. over 2000 in labour alone.. due most stores NOT wanting to deal with watercooled systems.. meaning you spend weeks to find anybody to want to do your repair for you.. and than something as simple as swapping out your motherboard can cost well over 1000 in labour...

also if the pump in a watercooling stops.. your pc overheats FAST.. if something is aircooled it does not overheat as fast...
duet here are always other fans still providing airflow..

Call it bad luck because 10 year old Corsair AIOs are still running today, only AIOs I’ve had fail were garbage units from MSI. Corsair units I’ve had in systems for years without any hiccups.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Messaggio originale di 尺．し工几ᗪヨ尺:

Messaggio originale di De Hollandse Ezel:

I advise strongly against watercooling AIO or custom.

-the performance gain vs proper aircooling is not as large as you think

but WHAT a headache it gives.

I have since 2016.. made over 3000 euro in costs due watercooling.

this cause pumps keep dying on me at a ratio of once per 1.5 years.. classic 140mm fans last a WHOLE lot longer..

on top of that pumps are not standard, so when it died that model was no longer made, and a replacement that fit in your case is very hard t find + it totally messes up the look of your build

an d than there are the massive costs.. over 2000 in labour alone.. due most stores NOT wanting to deal with watercooled systems.. meaning you spend weeks to find anybody to want to do your repair for you.. and than something as simple as swapping out your motherboard can cost well over 1000 in labour...

also if the pump in a watercooling stops.. your pc overheats FAST.. if something is aircooled it does not overheat as fast...
duet here are always other fans still providing airflow..

Call it bad luck because 10 year old Corsair AIOs are still running today, only AIOs I’ve had fail were garbage units from MSI. Corsair units I’ve had in systems for years without any hiccups.

i had good brands too including corsair, raijentek and alphacool.
still nothing but headaches..

as I not experienced with watercooling and had that custom water loop build for me.. every time it broke.. it added considerable labour costs too.. as well as when some part broke and I wanted them to test what.. (I may be able to do that test but I did not have the parts to do that with).. most stores basicly stated : first remove all watercooling components yourself only THAN we will test it...

as such unless you build the watercooling yourself.. it will rake up fastly in labour costs...

while a normal aircooled pc one can build oneself.. or if one is not willing to do that

oh and aio.. lets say I have had cpu's being burned due the pumps in them breaking, or them coroding the lid of the cpu away (manufacturing error at raijentek) too..

I have strongly vowed.,. never watercooling again..

[r.linder]

Messaggio originale di De Hollandse Ezel:

Messaggio originale di 尺．し工几ᗪヨ尺:

Call it bad luck because 10 year old Corsair AIOs are still running today, only AIOs I’ve had fail were garbage units from MSI. Corsair units I’ve had in systems for years without any hiccups.

i had good brands too including corsair, raijentek and alphacool.
still nothing but headaches..

as I not experienced with watercooling and had that custom water loop build for me.. every time it broke.. it added considerable labour costs too.. as well as when some part broke and I wanted them to test what.. (I may be able to do that test but I did not have the parts to do that with).. most stores basicly stated : first remove all watercooling components yourself only THAN we will test it...

as such unless you build the watercooling yourself.. it will rake up fastly in labour costs...

while a normal aircooled pc one can build oneself.. or if one is not willing to do that

oh and aio.. lets say I have had cpu's being burned due the pumps in them breaking, or them coroding the lid of the cpu away (manufacturing error at raijentek) too..

I have strongly vowed.,. never watercooling again..

Custom loops are mostly pointless and not worth the cost, and I’ve only had one bad failure but it didn’t leak.

A lot of anti-liquid folks treat it as if it’s going to spew everywhere, the chance of an AIO bursting is so extremely low that it’s hardly worth mentioning.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Messaggio originale di 尺．し工几ᗪヨ尺:

Messaggio originale di De Hollandse Ezel:

i had good brands too including corsair, raijentek and alphacool.
still nothing but headaches..

as I not experienced with watercooling and had that custom water loop build for me.. every time it broke.. it added considerable labour costs too.. as well as when some part broke and I wanted them to test what.. (I may be able to do that test but I did not have the parts to do that with).. most stores basicly stated : first remove all watercooling components yourself only THAN we will test it...

as such unless you build the watercooling yourself.. it will rake up fastly in labour costs...

while a normal aircooled pc one can build oneself.. or if one is not willing to do that

oh and aio.. lets say I have had cpu's being burned due the pumps in them breaking, or them coroding the lid of the cpu away (manufacturing error at raijentek) too..

I have strongly vowed.,. never watercooling again..

Custom loops are mostly pointless and not worth the cost, and I’ve only had one bad failure but it didn’t leak.

A lot of anti-liquid folks treat it as if it’s going to spew everywhere, the chance of an AIO bursting is so extremely low that it’s hardly worth mentioning.

oh leaks I have not had once.

what I did have had was
-very high costs (custom loop of 900 euro vs aicooler of 100)
-lower selling price of old gpu (those with waterblock cost more to puchase yet are much harder to sell later on on the 2d hand market)
-pumps dying
-most shops refusing to take your computer in for repair when something needs repairing
-extreme high labour costs to do any repairs on it when you finally got it sorted (just to swap out a motherboard was 1000 in labour alone.. and before that I have spend 400 and 700 for earlier repeirs.. thats 2100 euro in labourcosts alone I could have saved had I not gone watercooled.

so the biggest issue I'd say is : if you not want to install watercooling yourself.. don't go custom loop.
even stores that today offer the service to build it for you.. will when a year from now things break.. all of the sudden "we not support that service no longer" with all the cost and hassle as a result.

AIO are indeed a bit safer bet.. but I have had those break on me too.. with far more drastic overheating of your cpu than when you aircool it.

basicly the number 1 issue I take with watercooling :
-the high breaking (it will go broken in much less hours than air +
-the low availability of replacement parts (if you spend extra money for a certain look of your case.. like all white you will have to totally ruin that look caause forget finding a pump that fits as replacement for the one that broke and now is no longer being made
-> this is also true for AIO.. they too break often in 1 to 1.5 years in my experience and very often the same model is no longer made when it breaks.. forcing you to sacrifice the look of your build.

add to that that 99% of pc shops will not want to deal with a pc with a custom loop and over 80% of ships not even with an AIO cooled system.. and you are screwed for ANY rma later down the line..

[Tiberius]

The risk of water leaks will always be there. And if you use your pc for gaming, your cpu rarely needs to run under full load, which makes liquid cooling even more pointless.

You only need to worry abt cpu cooling if you run a lot of software rendering

[Monk]

See, custom loops are not for most people, they are very much an enthusiast thing and unless you are made of money should not be done by a shop for you.

If you are happy building lego technic kits, custom watercooling with soft tubing is very straight forward for most simple loops and doesn't have to cost a fortune, though you'll still be looking at £400-700 for a full loop using reputable parts, the high end can get into the thousands (my loop with the fans is around £2000 as an example)

Seems you got ripped off as you don't know the kit tbh, the 2 most used pumps gir custom loops are the D5 abd DDC both have been in oriduction for years and are very reliable and widely used so mounting / replacing isn't an issue.

The gain over a high end aio is minimal in performance, unless you go a little crazy and need the added cooling or want low temps, high speeds with silence (my goal).

NEVER buy a factory waterblock gpu, they are virtually all lower performance while costing more than custom options while making resale far harder.