Mid range gaming PC

[rabela23]

I am hoping to get a new mid-range gaming PC, probably in Jan/Feb 2024. Do you have any suggestions of the specs that a typical MID range PC needs to have today?
For example I learnt that the "F" intel processors are specifically archituctured for gaming.
What do you suggest? CPU, type and qty of RAM, GPU...etc. As for GPU I love and wish to stick to NVIDIA. Also i am "single player" gamer only.

Thanks

[_I_]

its a good mid range cooler, between nh d14/15 and cm 212
it will last multiple builds, like the case, k/m, psu, display

for under 50 this is a good alt
https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-d3

[Castyles]

Just get a Ryzen 5600g, any b450 motherboard, any 8 gb 3200hz+ RAM x 2 (16 gb dual channel), a 650w power supply from a GOOD brand and any 1tb SSD. No need for a GPU.

If you want to play some unoptimized games that eat your resources such as, say, Hogwarts Legacy, then get 32gb RAM, instead. Done.

[_I_]

his budget allow for a good mid range gpu, no need to deal with the igpu

[De Hollandse Ezel]

Heretic님이 먼저 게시:

7800x3d is not midrange.

A budget b550 motherboard, a 5800x and a couple of sticks of ddr4 ram would cost around the same as a 7800x3d.

midrange = 2400 - 3600 euro for a pc

generally split
1/4 perifials & monitor
1/4 gpu
1/4 mobo+cpu+ram
1/4 rest

600-900 euro is enough to buy an 78003xD, a motherboard and 32GB ram.

<1200 euro = no gaming pc (unless we are talking just the case.. than 900 euro.. since perifials are 1/4th

1200-1800 euro = lowest end
1800-2400 euro = upper low end
2400-3000 eurp = mid end
3000-3600 euro = upper mid end
3600+ high end.

thats about it.

[pasa]

Wichtelman님이 먼저 게시:

is the dark rock 4 not a little expensive for this budget?
idk would get a 40-50€ cooler and go up to ryzen 7 5700x but the other parts are decent i guess...

Of course it is. It's not needed for that cpu and way to big and expensive. If it's euro territory to go-to cooler is esports duo.

If on budget, 5600 with is own cooler is also fair potion.

[pasa]

Castyles님이 먼저 게시:

Just get a Ryzen 5600g, any b450 motherboard, any 8 gb 3200hz+ RAM x 2 (16 gb dual channel), a 650w power supply from a GOOD brand and any 1tb SSD. No need for a GPU.

If you want to play some unoptimized games that eat your resources such as, say, Hogwarts Legacy, then get 32gb RAM, instead. Done.

If gpu can be avoided, 5600g is definitely a great choice.

[_I_]

there is no formula for splitting costs and components

peripherals can last through many builds, k/m/drives/displays/controllers/printer etc..
cpu/mobo/ram combos generally stick together and are replaced together
gpu and psu upgrades by themselves

[De Hollandse Ezel]

regardless if one wants to build a low end pc for 1200 euro..
do we talk with monitor and perifials or without?

I presume without (correct me if wrong)

so we have 400 euro for a mobo, ram & cpu
400 for gpu
400 for case, psu, m.2, and cooling

lets start with a 400 euro GPU

You say you MUST keep nvidea...
in that case there is only 1 sensible pick : the 4060ti.. priced exactly at that 400 euro point.
->
alternatively an 3070 or 3070ti perform about the same.. so if you see either of those offered for less than an 4060ti.. thats an easy swap.

I must however state that NVIDEA is not the proper pick.
at 430-450 euro you can get an amd radeon 6800.
which will perform a solid 15% better than an 4060ti
=>
it is upto you if want to step of your nvidea high horse and take this advise.

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next your cpu, mobo & ram core..
at just 400 euro consessions are to be made...

ideally we want a motherboard with wifi6, 4 ddr sockets, and an ALC 1200 or better audiochip.. and an m.2 pcie 5.0x4 slot

but all motherboards with those specs start around 200 euro.
so we need to comprimise

ASRock B650M PG Lightning WiFi
= 150 euro, and has most of what we want.. but has an ALC 887 so a bit less ideal sound but still acceptable..

a Ryzen 5 7600X = 220 euro
thats likely the cpu you are looking at.

32GB of ddr5 will cost around 100 euro.. that makes the total of this set a bit more than we want.
Corsair Vengeance CMK32GX5M2B6400C32 at 130 euro stays a good pick

however that puts us 100 euro over what we do want to spend. but I advise doing that this time.

if you absolutely MUST stay in budget.. than dropping to an AM4 platform with ddr4 memory is your only pick.
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part 3 psu, m.2, case

PSU:
80+ gold, 750+W full modulair.
some options (but in your regions others may excist :
Gigabyte GP-P750GM
Gigabyte GP-UD750GM
Goedkoopste Silverstone DA750 Gold

all can be had under 90 euro.

cpu cooling :
Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB
it's a fine cooler for 40 euro.

m,2 :
Lexar NM710 2TB
at 95 euro, it's a decent 2 tb m.2

for case.. I would just pick a cheap case that already comes with plenty of casefans and has halve-decent airflow

Aerocool Trinity Mini V2
I see here for 60 euro, and comes standard with 3 casefans..


that brings our total in this segment to just under 300 euro making up for the overspending in the earlier section.
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[C1REX]

rabela23님이 먼저 게시:

Ok regarding the F because presumably intel assumes that the majority of gamers have a dedicated GPU and can save that money for something else.

As for budget i do not have a specific range yet. From past experiences when i was more familiar with the hardware of older times the low, mid and high end specs used to automatically fall within certain price ranges! But since you asked let me put a tag of between €1000-€1200, for the tower only of course.

Midrange typically refers to a PC with a midrange GPU combined with components that prevent bottlenecks. For example a 4070 or 7800XT GPU, along with compatible parts that fit within the budget.

Here's an example of a 7800XT build priced at roughly 1070 Euros, based on German market prices. A 4070 configuration would cost about 80 Euros more. If your budget allows for a 7800x3D build, that's a great choice but it cost significantly more and that money could be spent on a better GPU now or in a near future - 8800XT or 5070 for example.
Unless you play competetive games at 240fps then you don't need a top end CPU.

Ryzen 5600 (comes with a cooler)
7800XT
32GB DDR4 3600 CL16 (not CL18)
850W PSU (can handle any GPU upgrade when combined with Ryzen CPU)
Total: €1080

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/pJTCZJ

[xDDD]

OP have you ever heard of the site "Logicalincrements" ?
You should check it out. It has a computer build at every price range with a few part options in each bracket.
Don't listen to these clowns saying "hurrdurr you need to spend $3000 for a midrange" these people seem to think the best-consumer-level PCs are "mid range"
$1000-1200 is definitely sufficient to make a pretty-good PC that'll run anything you throw at it admirably.

If I had to build one, I'd probably build something like:
-Ryzan 5 7600X or maybe one of the 7900 CPUs
-I've stopped paying attention to Nvidias but you'd probably want one of the mid ones like a 3060 or 4060 or something like that (don't get the 3050 though, Nvidia recently announced they'd be downgrading that model
-Whatever AM5-compatible motherboard with a decent track record (good company, good reviews)
-32 GB of RAM (because if you get 16 you'll probably want more at some point)
-1TB SSD and 1TB HDD or 250/500gb SSD with 2TB+ HDD (you can always add more of these easily)
-A 650w-850w PSU (depending how ambitious you are) with a decent track record (good company, good reviews)
-I haven't bought a case in years and probably won't be because hate all this stupid tempered glass BS that everyone is obsessed with now. I'd say get whatever has the best potential for airflow and fans. Might be worth going for an older/used case if you feel like I do about the modern designs.
-Logitech mouse, whatever keyboard (personally I like mechanical, but budget)
I think that's everything? Unless you need a monitor. I don't know much about those but tbh I would try to get a used/secondhand one of those because decent new monitors seem expensive.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

so in short :

my best advise for an 1200ish euro LOW end build.

1250 euro :

case : Aerocool Trinity Mini V2
PSU : Silverstone DA750 Gold
motherboard : ASRock B650M PG Lightning WiFi
cpu : ryzen 5 7600X
cpu cooler : Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB
memory : Corsair Vengeance CMK32GX5M2B6400C32
storage : Lexar NM710 2TB
GPU : XFX Speedster SWFT 319 AMD Radeon RX 6800

[Malygos]

For 1000-1200 you're stuck firmly with a 4070 and if you go intel get whatever the non igpu model is now or a k model. I'd recommend going used on the gpu or waiting till next year with all the 5000 series rumors

[rabela23]

Thanks ppl for your feedback. I will digest this info and take a decision. For some who were asking €1000-€1200 is for the case/tower only. I will keep the other peripherals that i already have.
Another point is that the 60hz has so far been good enough. I play at a constant 60hz/fps with vsynch on. It never bothered me.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

:D님이 먼저 게시:

OP have you ever heard of the site "Logicalincrements" ?
You should check it out. It has a computer build at every price range with a few part options in each bracket.
Don't listen to these clowns saying "hurrdurr you need to spend $3000 for a midrange" these people seem to think the best-consumer-level PCs are "mid range"
$1000-1200 is definitely sufficient to make a pretty-good PC that'll run anything you throw at it admirably.

If I had to build one, I'd probably build something like:
-Ryzan 5 7600X or maybe one of the 7900 CPUs
-I've stopped paying attention to Nvidias but you'd probably want one of the mid ones like a 3060 or 4060 or something like that (don't get the 3050 though, Nvidia recently announced they'd be downgrading that model
-Whatever AM5-compatible motherboard with a decent track record (good company, good reviews)
-32 GB of RAM (because if you get 16 you'll probably want more at some point)
-1TB SSD and 1TB HDD or 250/500gb SSD with 2TB+ HDD (you can always add more of these easily)
-A 650w-850w PSU (depending how ambitious you are) with a decent track record (good company, good reviews)
-I haven't bought a case in years and probably won't be because hate all this stupid tempered glass BS that everyone is obsessed with now. I'd say get whatever has the best potential for airflow and fans. Might be worth going for an older/used case if you feel like I do about the modern designs.
-Logitech mouse, whatever keyboard (personally I like mechanical, but budget)
I think that's everything? Unless you need a monitor. I don't know much about those but tbh I would try to get a used/secondhand one of those because decent new monitors seem expensive.

a low end gamomg pc cost 1200 euro.
low endmeaning " it can run everything now"
-but it wont run everything 1 year orso from now
-it wont run everything in above 100hz ultrasettings
-you might even have tp scaleback to 1080p low settings.


a 4060 is a low end card

4070 a d 4080 are midrange

4080ti and 4090 is high end.

and in a pc of 1200 euro you aint going to fit an 4070.

as such : low end gaming.

low end :
year 0 buy pc 1200 euro including perifiala
year 2 buy new case 900 euro, keep perfials
year 4= year 0 spend 1200 euro.
=
2100 euro per 4 years or 45 euro per month.

mid end :
year 0 buy pc 2400 euro including peeifials
year 1.5 buy new gpu 600 euro
year 3 buy new case 1800 euro, keep oerifials
year 4.5 buy new gpu 600 euro
year 6= year 0 spend 2400
=
5400 euro per 6 years or 75 euro per month

high end same sceme as midend but with a much larger budget. startingvaround 150% of those numbers.
so 3600 pc 900 new gpu and 2800 new case.
and thus needs at least 100 euro a month ib hardware expenses.

thats basicly the spending sceme you look at hardware wise for gaming.
it is best to pick a sceme that fit your budget amd deducately save for your replavement each month and not overspend ob your 1st rig than keep it way more years than you should and only starr saving when it no longer suffices..

the right time to start saving for your new pc is yhe day you bought your current one.

and 75 a month for a hobby.. is quite affordable for abeverage (western) income.
minumwage is like 1800 a month after taxes.. using 75 of that for gaming qhich us your main hobby as pc gamer is not too much.

[C1REX]

De Hollandse Ezel님이 먼저 게시:

and in a pc of 1200 euro you aint going to fit an 4070.

I think it's too pessimistic or even passive aggressive.
OP is playing at 60fps so he can easily build an AM4 build with the 4070 for around 1000-1200Euro.