Would DDR4 ram limit a Intel 13th generation to 14 th generation processor ?

[River]

Wondering.

It is ok if it does but by how much I can't figure that out?

[River]

Sorry forgot resolution is at 3440x1440

[Illusion of Progress]

The LGA 1700 CPUs tend to gain performance from DDR5 over DDR4, yes.

That being said, if you already have very good DDR4 RAM, the money you save reusing it might be more economical than buying good DDR5 RAM to a small increase.

[Revelene]

Assuming gaming performance, since this is a gaming platform forum. There is a slight increase in performance with DDR5, over DDR4, but it is negligible in most games.

[Monk]

Needs to be close to 7000MHz at a reasonable CL to beat out good / fast ddr4 (over 4000 kits).

Good ddr5 kits can gain 5 to 10fps over good ddr4 when it comes to raytracing at max settings and a marginal total fps gain on the high end overall if you are looking at competitive FPS numbers.

If buying new, ddr5 has dropped to the point where just buying a 7000/7200 kit with decent CL doesn't come at much of a premium any more, so just go that route.

Im still on ddr4 on a 13900k as I had fast memory and it's fine, but, you have a smaller selection of motherboards.

[River]

Thank you everyone.

Originally posted by Monk:

Needs to be close to 7000MHz at a reasonable CL to beat out good / fast ddr4 (over 4000 kits).

Good ddr5 kits can gain 5 to 10fps over good ddr4 when it comes to raytracing at max settings and a marginal total fps gain on the high end overall if you are looking at competitive FPS numbers.

If buying new, ddr5 has dropped to the point where just buying a 7000/7200 kit with decent CL doesn't come at much of a premium any more, so just go that route.

Im still on ddr4 on a 13900k as I had fast memory and it's fine, but, you have a smaller selection of motherboards.

Question is this considered fast DDR4 sorry if it is a stupid question ? :(

Speed: DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600)

It is CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory


Guessing no. :(

[Illusion of Progress]

Corsair's Vengeance LPX for DDR4 is pretty much basic RAM (it's commonly recommended to be avoided on the Ryzen side due to how inconsistent Corsair is with it; people have straight up gotten up single rank/dual rank RAM in the same kit, or RAM with different ICs, but I think that was a year or two back and may not be happening anymore).

3,200 MHz (depending on CL) is decent for Intel's earlier DDR4 platforms (like the 8th/9th generation through 10th/11th generation platforms), but I'd personally be pairing DDR5 with any LGA 1700 platform at this point unless, as Monk already stated, you already had costly and very fast DDR4 RAM that you recently(ish) purchased. Even then you might be giving something up, but the difference would be smaller and the higher cost you recently paid might make it worth reusing.

Edit: Perhaps a bit beyond the direct question, but what is your current platform/CPU as well as your current graphics card? You mentioned playing at 3440 x 1440, and you might be more GPU limited. If your platform isn't terribly aged, maybe waiting for the next Intel platform and AMD's next Ryzen generation to make a decision is an option? But that's your call to make.

[River]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

Corsair's Vengeance LPX for DDR4 is pretty much basic RAM (it's commonly recommended to be avoided on the Ryzen side due to how inconsistent Corsair is with it; people have straight up gotten up single rank/dual rank RAM in the same kit, or RAM with different ICs, but I think that was a year or two back and may not be happening anymore).

3,200 MHz (depending on CL) is decent for Intel's earlier DDR4 platforms (like the 8th/9th generation through 10th/11th generation platforms), but I'd personally be pairing DDR5 with any LGA 1700 platform at this point unless, as Monk already stated, you already had costly and very fast DDR4 RAM that you recently(ish) purchased. Even then you might be giving something up, but the difference would be smaller and the higher cost you recently paid might make it worth reusing.

Edit: Perhaps a bit beyond the direct question, but what is your current platform/CPU as well as your current graphics card? You mentioned playing at 3440 x 1440, and you might be more GPU limited. If your platform isn't terribly aged, maybe waiting for the next Intel platform and AMD's next Ryzen generation to make a decision is an option? But that's your call to make.

i7 12700k
RTX 4090

[Illusion of Progress]

Wait, so you already have a 12th generation CPU and platform? On DDR4?

Just keep the DDR4. Yes, DDR5 is faster. Not enough to buy a while new motherboard and RAM over. If you're looking to upgrade to a 13th or 14th generation CPU, just do that on the current motherboard. It makes zero sense to buy a new CPU, motherboard, and RAM only to end up right back on the same platform/similar level of performance as you have now.

[River]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

Wait, so you already have a 12th generation CPU and platform? On DDR4?

Just keep the DDR4. Yes, DDR5 is faster. Not enough to buy a while new motherboard and RAM over. If you're looking to upgrade to a 13th or 14th generation CPU, just do that on the current motherboard. It makes zero sense to buy a new CPU, motherboard, and RAM only to end up right back on the same platform/similar level of performance as you have now.

Yes. Already on a Intel12 th generation processor plus DDR4.

What do you mean by platform ? Sorry. :(

[Illusion of Progress]

Platform meaning your current socket/generation. You have LGA 1700. If you were looking to buy a 13th or 14th generation CPU, and then changed to a DDR5 motherboard, and then also bought RAM... those three parts are your platform parts, and typically you only spend money to buy all three if you're getting an actual uplift. Going from the same socket to the same socket makes no sense if you're replacing all three parts.

Ergo, just upgrade the CPU, or nothing at all. Because while DDR5 is faster, it's not enough to warrant changing three parts instead of one. I'd argue even the CPU change alone is unnecessary.

[River]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

Platform meaning your current socket/generation. You have LGA 1700. If you were looking to buy a 13th or 14th generation CPU, and then changed to a DDR5 motherboard, and then also bought RAM... those three parts are your platform parts, and typically you only spend money to buy all three if you're getting an actual uplift. Going from the same socket to the same socket makes no sense if you're replacing all three parts.

Ergo, just upgrade the CPU, or nothing at all. Because while DDR5 is faster, it's not enough to warrant changing three parts instead of one. I'd argue even the CPU change alone is unnecessary.

Good point!

I agree with DDR5 not fast enough to warrant changing three parts instead of one. Even if it is faster by a little. The higher the resolution the less difference I think it will make but I could be wrong.

Changing the CPU alone is mostly not worth it either in my opinion but it really depends.

Will most likely wait until Intel 15 th generation or even 16 th generation and beyond until I upgrade again maybe. Makes more sense. Unless I can get a really good deal.

Thanks.

[River]

Also yes I know the socket will change for Intel 15th and 16 th generation most likely. Which is fine.

Hopefully Intel does better those generations. If not I will switch to AMD most likely. Unless I can get a deal.

[Monk]

Honestly, you won't gain much going to 13 or 14th gen with only a 13900ks or 14900k really being much of a step up and pairing those chips with 3200 memory feels kind of wrong, id stick with what you have tbh and overclock, maybe pick up some faster memory as it's pretty cheap.

I had 4 sticks of 8GB 4400 CL 19 ram, which is why I didn't upgrade to DDR5, that and I'd of gone for an apex and 8000 ram if I had which would of cost an extra £700 over the mobo I did go with for like 5 to 10fps lol

[River]

Originally posted by Monk:

Honestly, you won't gain much going to 13 or 14th gen with only a 13900ks or 14900k really being much of a step up and pairing those chips with 3200 memory feels kind of wrong, id stick with what you have tbh and overclock, maybe pick up some faster memory as it's pretty cheap.

I had 4 sticks of 8GB 4400 CL 19 ram, which is why I didn't upgrade to DDR5, that and I'd of gone for an apex and 8000 ram if I had which would of cost an extra £700 over the mobo I did go with for like 5 to 10fps lol

Good information!

How much difference or do you think it would be less difference at 3440x1440 resolution and 4k resolution ? Guessing so.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Originally posted by gamer:

Wondering.

It is ok if it does but by how much I can't figure that out?

Look at timing over speed rather than DDR4 vs DDR5.

DDR generations tend to bridge a few speeds between old top of the line and new entry, and also suffer every new generation from higher latency due to lower voltages and higher speeds.

With this in mind, and bearing in mind not to take it to the extremes, anything with a 200 or higher Mhz/MTs : CAS Latency value will be good, with higher being better.

Example:

DDR 4 @ 3600 CL 14 = ~257
DDR (4 or 5) @ 4400 CL 19 = ~231
DDR5 @ 8000 CL 38 = ~210


In all of these cases the only real question is required bandwidth. If the raw bandwidth of 3600 in DC is enough (and it is in most cases) having RAM with tighter timings and a better ratio would actually perform better.

For small data bursts its very accurate to argue that DDR4-3600-CL14 would be faster than the 8000 kit.