win 7

[bub1881]

I have win 7 pro. The games run on my system. There is nothing in the way except a greedy company that desires more control over what we do, and how we interact with it. ♥♥♥♥♥♥ middlemen trying to wrest control of a business that is between me and the developer.
pretty sad to steal all my games away, whatever. Refund me full price of everything I can no longer use. I can't POSSIBLY afford to upgrade this system, must be nice for you peeps with the funds to always push ♥♥♥♥ further and faster, cant sit still for 2 seconds ADHD and all, have to have latest and newest even when you have that in your hands already
sad. Yea i finally noticed the little red thing in the top of my screen saying i have just
ONE MONTH
to enjoy my games before this ♥♥♥♥ company pulls the plug on me, because "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ n stuff" admit your noses are jammed up microsoft ass as far as they can possibly fit and you follow orders from above.
Anywho thanks for the memories i guess you got every right nowadays to just reclaim ♥♥♥♥ I paid for fairly. Some BS about intellectual property and ♥♥♥♥. Tell that to a chef. Taking advantage of the fact i mentioned above, that vast audience of twits who can't still long enough for the next best thing so you can make a better profit, and have much more control, over those developers and the consumers. We won't own ♥♥♥♥ in the future, I doubt I will like what you are bringing to the table, either.

[r.linder]

Първоначално публикувано от svenoss:

I can name over a dozen websites you can buy legit Win10 keys on.

Legit? A legit key is on microsoft store or official reseller. What they do is picking an old oem key of win 7 or 8, which is illegal, because OEM keys are sollely attached to the computer they are installed on. You can fool the activation process, but it is not legal, read EULA terms if you are not conviced.


These website you are mentionned are mafia, and microsoft agrees with this.


They slept over 400billion dollars worth of license, and you think it's for free? Nothing is free with MS, and again you have to read terms & conditions.You jare also accepting that your data are sold to companies MS knows nothing about, which nothing safe for you nor the future of Personnal Compter.

They take your data regardless if your key was paid for at a Walmart or not and if they really cared they could get the third party license market taken down enough that it would really only continue on the deep web. They'd also not allow you to skip activation at installation.

Първоначално публикувано от ✠ A&A ✠:

Also they blocked ALL windows 7 and 8 keys from activating Windows 10.

With more than adequate warning, people had years to upgrade.

[Mr White]

Welcome to the modern age. You can be tracked any device. Tablet, Smart Phone, Your Debt/Credit etc.

Unless their is EMP charge wiping out every electronic device. Am afraid your stuck.

[Crashed]

Първоначално публикувано от ✠ A&A ✠:

Първоначално публикувано от svenoss:

Legit? A legit key is on microsoft store or official reseller. What they do is picking an old oem key of win 7 or 8, which is illegal, because OEM keys are sollely attached to the computer they are installed on. You can fool the activation process, but it is not legal, read EULA terms if you are not conviced.

Where does it say using OEM activation keys is illegal? Also they blocked ALL windows 7 and 8 keys from activating Windows 10.

Only keys not previously used to upgrade to 10. I just recently reformatted a Windows 11 system that had been upgraded from 7 retail and it reactivated fine.

[app0815]

Първоначално публикувано от 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Първоначално публикувано от Crashed:

Linux has been updated to support the baseline requirements of Steam's compoments. And they don't demand $120-$200 to get up to date because you waited until after October 2023; it's free.

Windows 10 and Windows 11 can be installed and used 100% completely free (and 100% completely legally) without activating it. Upgrading to a newer version of Windows is also free too. It doesn't cost any money at all to use a newer version of windows.

that you don't find that suspicious speaks for itself

[app0815]

Първоначално публикувано от Casual Gamer:

Welcome to the modern age. You can be tracked any device. Tablet, Smart Phone, Your Debt/Credit etc.

Unless their is EMP charge wiping out every electronic device. Am afraid your stuck.

yeah but we don't have to make it easier for them with newer software

[sweepingbullet]

I play mainly older games that run perfectly fine on windows 7 but many games that are old may not run so well on Win10/11 or at all. I read that windows 10 is no longer officially available to buy and I believe that anywhere that does sell them is most likely unofficial. Either way when I download the program from Microsoft that scans my computer to let me know if it can use Windows 10 , just the action alone of trying to run it tells me something like the program is not compatible. So for me I think that I have to upgrade all my hardware and buy Windows 11. I don't think I can just upgrade a single component like my CPU or motherboard that will be compatible with Windows 11 without then buying new motherboard that supports the new CPU or the other way around and then I think a while ago I read that my graphics card needs to be Dx12 for Windows 11. If this is all true then I may need to build a whole new computer and every component, on top of the fact that I play mostly old games so I need to keep this Windows 7 PC for them. And of course I don't have the money to just build a new PC right now and even if I did it would only be to let me access my Steam account for my old games that are fully playable on this windows 7 already. That means I would be spending hundreds of Pounds on a new PC just so I can play the games I already can play, and then not being able to play some of those old games or with glitches BECAUSE it is on Windows 11. So that is a problem to spend hundreds on something that actually gives me less compatibility then I have right now. Could Valve just have a very simple separate Steam client that can only run on Windows 7 and is so basic that it only allows Windows 7 users to access their Steam games, download them, and play them? and if they want to limit us then still make Windows 7 users have to connect back to that simplified client every now and then for offline mode? surly there is something Valve can do to help people in my situation.

[r.linder]

Първоначално публикувано от app0815:

Първоначално публикувано от Casual Gamer:

Welcome to the modern age. You can be tracked any device. Tablet, Smart Phone, Your Debt/Credit etc.

Unless their is EMP charge wiping out every electronic device. Am afraid your stuck.

yeah but we don't have to make it easier for them with newer software

Older software is un-ironically less secure when it becomes unsupported, it can get absolutely rocked by malware because a lack of security updates for the OS (which is already inherently insecure because it's Windows in general) which anti-virus software can't cover for, it only covers what the AV developer has already patched, all systems are vulnerable to malware that hasn't been patched. Not liking how newer Windows operating systems work is not an excuse especially when security is part of the argument, using Windows 7 is just as stupid as using Windows 10/11 if you care about privacy and security because it isn't any more secure, it's less, and it still has telemetry which can be disabled on any version of Windows.

The fact of the matter is if you don't like something because it's insecure or violates your privacy, don't use it. That goes for smartphones, tablets, anything that has any kind of tracking that you can't completely disable.

If you want to be as private and secure as possible, then use Linux with a hardened kernel, a good VPN, and an anti-virus, use a private browser like (modified and hardened) Firefox or one of its many variations like Mullvad, Librewolf, Floorp, GNU IceCat, Tor Browser, etc. Use and support trusted open-source software variants of popular programs that aren't already open-source and carefully check what the programs are capable of doing. Use every method at your disposal to limit and block everything you don't trust.

[app0815]

Първоначално публикувано от 尺．し工几ᗪヨ尺:

Първоначално публикувано от app0815:

yeah but we don't have to make it easier for them with newer software

Older software is un-ironically less secure when it becomes unsupported, it can get absolutely rocked by malware because a lack of security updates for the OS (which is already inherently insecure because it's Windows in general) which anti-virus software can't cover for, it only covers what the AV developer has already patched, all systems are vulnerable to malware that hasn't been patched. Not liking how newer Windows operating systems work is not an excuse especially when security is part of the argument, using Windows 7 is just as stupid as using Windows 10/11 if you care about privacy and security because it isn't any more secure, it's less, and it still has telemetry which can be disabled on any version of Windows.

The fact of the matter is if you don't like something because it's insecure or violates your privacy, don't use it. That goes for smartphones, tablets, anything that has any kind of tracking that you can't completely disable.

If you want to be as private and secure as possible, then use Linux with a hardened kernel, a good VPN, and an anti-virus, use a private browser like (modified and hardened) Firefox or one of its many variations like Mullvad, Librewolf, Floorp, GNU IceCat, Tor Browser, etc. Use and support trusted open-source software variants of popular programs that aren't already open-source and carefully check what the programs are capable of doing. Use every method at your disposal to limit and block everything you don't trust.

no, not against corporate/agency shenanigans it's not. backdoors wide open for all your three letter agencies to turn you into whatever they want should you become an enemy of the state - which isn't difficult these days with Klaus Schwab and his associates' "new normal".

you're referring to other types of threats which realistically speaking unless you're oblivious to it you should be fine.
you don't need any of the things you mentioned. they're either honeypots, data scavengers and resellers or plain junk. but you in particular will have to find out for yourself how deep the rabbithole goes, I already told you to mind your own business and let people rage against the machine.

[r.linder]

Първоначално публикувано от app0815:

Първоначално публикувано от 尺．し工几ᗪヨ尺:

Older software is un-ironically less secure when it becomes unsupported, it can get absolutely rocked by malware because a lack of security updates for the OS (which is already inherently insecure because it's Windows in general) which anti-virus software can't cover for, it only covers what the AV developer has already patched, all systems are vulnerable to malware that hasn't been patched. Not liking how newer Windows operating systems work is not an excuse especially when security is part of the argument, using Windows 7 is just as stupid as using Windows 10/11 if you care about privacy and security because it isn't any more secure, it's less, and it still has telemetry which can be disabled on any version of Windows.

The fact of the matter is if you don't like something because it's insecure or violates your privacy, don't use it. That goes for smartphones, tablets, anything that has any kind of tracking that you can't completely disable.

If you want to be as private and secure as possible, then use Linux with a hardened kernel, a good VPN, and an anti-virus, use a private browser like (modified and hardened) Firefox or one of its many variations like Mullvad, Librewolf, Floorp, GNU IceCat, Tor Browser, etc. Use and support trusted open-source software variants of popular programs that aren't already open-source and carefully check what the programs are capable of doing. Use every method at your disposal to limit and block everything you don't trust.

no, not against corporate/agency shenanigans it's not. backdoors wide open for all your three letter agencies to turn you into whatever they want should you become an enemy of the state - which isn't difficult these days with Klaus Schwab and his associates' "new normal".

you're referring to other types of threats which realistically speaking unless you're oblivious to it you should be fine.
you don't need any of the things you mentioned. they're either honeypots, data scavengers and resellers or plain junk. but you in particular will have to find out for yourself how deep the rabbithole goes, I already told you to mind your own business and let people rage against the machine.

It's pretty arrogant to assume they even give enough of a crap to want to know who you are, what you're up to, etc.

Most of the data collection is for the purpose of targeted advertisements through telemetry, agencies will only go into depth if you give them a freaking reason to, like giving them reasonable cause to suspect that you're a terrorist, foreign spy, a whistle-blower with concrete evidence, an enemy. You're still more threatened by individual hackers that are trying to get your financial information so they clean your accounts out and dip.

If you really think arguing and crying about Windows 7 being cut off years ago is raging against the machine, then nobody will take you seriously. You're not doing ♥♥♥♥ against the machine, it's not going away without violence.

[kingjames488]

Първоначално публикувано от 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Първоначално публикувано от kingjames488:

can't even get 10 anymore.

It seems you are wrong.

https://www.walmart.com/search?q=windows+10

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=Windows+10+64-bit&_sacat=0&For%2520Operating%2520Systems=Microsoft%2520Windows%252010%252064%252Dbit&_dcat=11226&rt=nc&LH_ItemCondition=1000

ya, cuz I'm gonna buy my OS from HANKSHARDWAREDEPOT or w.e nonsense selling is on the walmart marketplace selling some questionable key they pulled off a scrapped prebuilt...

[r.linder]

Първоначално публикувано от kingjames488:

Първоначално публикувано от 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

It seems you are wrong.

https://www.walmart.com/search?q=windows+10

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=Windows+10+64-bit&_sacat=0&For%2520Operating%2520Systems=Microsoft%2520Windows%252010%252064%252Dbit&_dcat=11226&rt=nc&LH_ItemCondition=1000

ya, cuz I'm gonna buy my OS from HANKSHARDWAREDEPOT or w.e nonsense selling is on the walmart marketplace selling some questionable key they pulled off a scrapped prebuilt...

The fun part is "Hank" could get the key deactivated some time after you bought it assuming it was legitimate and then resell it, some people do ♥♥♥♥ like that so the source matters

You can manipulate the system into thinking it's activated anyway with the registry

[kingjames488]

Първоначално публикувано от 尺．し工几ᗪヨ尺:

Първоначално публикувано от kingjames488:

ya, cuz I'm gonna buy my OS from HANKSHARDWAREDEPOT or w.e nonsense selling is on the walmart marketplace selling some questionable key they pulled off a scrapped prebuilt...

The fun part is "Hank" could get the key deactivated some time after you bought it assuming it was legitimate and then resell it, some people do ♥♥♥♥ like that so the source matters

ya, that too... it's just a bad idea to buy questionable keys.

[MonkehMaster]

if you are worried about buying a key, try newegg (sold by newegg itself) or something similar, or somewhere official... not from random sellers off the internet or market place sellers.

that being said, you dont need a key at all, it runs without it.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Първоначално публикувано от sweepingbullet:

I read that windows 10 is no longer officially available to buy and I believe that anywhere that does sell them is most likely unofficial.

That's not true at all. Windows 10 retail edition was sold by thousands of companies on all online marketplaces years ago. What I showed folks marked "sealed new" on ebay and those on walmart are what's called "new old stock". It's copies of Windows 10 retail that they still have that never sold. It's just as legitimate as buying it from newegg or direct from microsoft.

Първоначално публикувано от sweepingbullet:

Either way when I download the program from Microsoft that scans my computer to let me know if it can use Windows 10 , just the action alone of trying to run it tells me something like the program is not compatible. So for me I think that I have to upgrade all my hardware and buy Windows 11.

That's just microsoft detecting your computer doesn't have TPM support. You can disable this "TPM Check" during Windows 11 setup and continue without it. It's not a "requirement". Your computer actually is compatible with Windows 11. Windows 10 doesn't require that. Also: The system requirements for Windows 10 and Windows 7 are EXACTLY the same. If your computer can run Windows 7 then it can also run Windows 10.

Първоначално публикувано от sweepingbullet:

I don't think I can just upgrade a single component like my CPU or motherboard that will be compatible with Windows 11 without then buying new motherboard that supports the new CPU or the other way around and then I think a while ago I read that my graphics card needs to be Dx12 for Windows 11.

Nope that's not true either. I have older computers running Windows 11 with old video cards that only supported DirectX 10 and it works just fine.

Първоначално публикувано от sweepingbullet:

If this is all true then I may need to build a whole new computer and every component, on top of the fact that I play mostly old games so I need to keep this Windows 7 PC for them. And of course I don't have the money to just build a new PC right now and even if I did it would only be to let me access my Steam account for my old games that are fully playable on this windows 7 already.

Nope. You can upgrade your computer to either Windows 10 or Windows 11 completely free without spending a single cent on anything. You don't have to buy a windows 10 or 11 license either. You can install and use both versions of Windows completely free without a cd key forever. This is a legal and legitimate way to use Windows 10 and 11. It wasn't that way with Windows 7 but it is with 10 and 11.

Първоначално публикувано от sweepingbullet:

Could Valve just have a very simple separate Steam client that can only run on Windows 7 and is so basic that it only allows Windows 7 users to access their Steam games, download them, and play them?

Nope. Not necessary. They don't need to make a legacy version of Steam because it's not required. All of your games should work just fine in 10 or 11. I have played many older games (even Windows 98 era games) in Windows 11 just fine with no issues.

[N3tRunn3r]

You can disable your Ads-ID and telemetry stuff by a few switches via Windows options/settings as well as to delete and disable all collected data by 2 buttons. Most of them already during a fresh and clean Windows 10/11 install..

It is nearly as same working as on your smartphone device/s.. Smartphones and their accounts have way more hidden and complex options than Windows does..

A fresh install to achieve this can take an hour or 2, sure, but a regular user wont install Windows on a daily basis.. i need a few minutes to manually do this..

You can setup a LOCAL ACCOUNT, while a fresh install or even afterwards, so you wont use any Clouds .. and not even a Microsoft account is needed ..

That "telemetry" stuff which then is active is solely to check for Windows Updates, just as it works on Linux systems.. by a more advanced setting you can completely disable update checks too.. and the Microsoft Store never auto-checks for latest updates for installed apps, so..

I havent seen a single Ad or pop-up on my Windows 11 Pro.. besides some install-inks as Amazon for example at Windows Start Menu which you can simply remove..

And Education and Enterprise editions are capable to completely block any telemetry.. for isolated and critical environments..