Need a new Graphics Card for 120hz?

[joefig44]

I have an LG OLED42C3 incoming and using a GTX 1070 Ti.
I mainly just play BG3.

A. Do I need to upgrade my graphics card to achieve 120hz on this TV monitor?
B. Wil I notice any difference in BG3 between what I can get now (60hz?) and 120hz?

[joefig44]

Origineel geplaatst door Angry Gandalf:

Origineel geplaatst door joefig44:

Got it - but just to make sure, may I ask if this applies to BG3? I thought maybe since it's not a highly demanding game to start I'd be able to keep mid or higher settings at 120fps.
Right now on my Sony X900E, I'm running all settings maxed out on BG3.

You won't get 120FPS on 4K in Badlurs Gate 3, not even close.

Buying that monitor was the worst mistake you could have done, if you don't have the funds for a at least 3080/3090 or a 4070.
You also need a new CPU, heck a completely new PC I would say.

Why do people buy those cheap 4K monitors while having an ancient PC?

Well, it was mainly because I wanted an OLED panel and something a bit smaller than the 49" (gives me headaches).

This is really the only game I play on the PC (for now). I'm mainly a console gamer (Xbox Series X).

I certainly do have the funds to upgrade my graphics card, but I was hoping I could just get by playing on the new OLED with my current system since I only play BG3.

Are you saying that if I just kept my own card then I'd be taking a step backwards in regards to my experience with the new OLED?

[Angry Gandalf]

Origineel geplaatst door joefig44:

Origineel geplaatst door Angry Gandalf:

You won't get 120FPS on 4K in Badlurs Gate 3, not even close.

Buying that monitor was the worst mistake you could have done, if you don't have the funds for a at least 3080/3090 or a 4070.
You also need a new CPU, heck a completely new PC I would say.

Why do people buy those cheap 4K monitors while having an ancient PC?

Well, it was mainly because I wanted an OLED panel and something a bit smaller than the 49" (gives me headaches).

This is really the only game I play on the PC (for now). I'm mainly a console gamer (Xbox Series X).

I certainly do have the funds to upgrade my graphics card, but I was hoping I could just get by playing on the new OLED with my current system since I only play BG3.

Are you saying that if I just kept my own card then I'd be taking a step backwards in regards to my experience with the new OLED?

Hell yeah. Besides not being able to use HDMI 2.1, I dont see how you will get 60FPS on 4K with a 1070 in any game tbh.
I dont even think Fallout 4 will run above 30-40FPS vanilla!!!!!

Your new monitor is awesome but it will also require a lot of GPU-power, which your 1070 lacks.
Heck, even a 1080TI would die on the vine.

[Monk]

You can use it fine and no need for 120Hz in bg3.

You'll not get HDR 4.4.4 at 120hz without hdmi 2.1, lowest card which offers that is a 3050, which I use in my htpc for that very reason, it let's me play BG3 pretty much maxed out at 1440p at good enough fps for a turn based game.

It's how I played it when I was building my new system.

Drop 120Hz for 60 and you should get full HDR support which in bg3, is more useful than high refresh, if you have to choose.

[joefig44]

Origineel geplaatst door Angry Gandalf:

Origineel geplaatst door joefig44:

Well, it was mainly because I wanted an OLED panel and something a bit smaller than the 49" (gives me headaches).

This is really the only game I play on the PC (for now). I'm mainly a console gamer (Xbox Series X).

I certainly do have the funds to upgrade my graphics card, but I was hoping I could just get by playing on the new OLED with my current system since I only play BG3.

Are you saying that if I just kept my own card then I'd be taking a step backwards in regards to my experience with the new OLED?

Hell yeah. Besides not being able to use HDMI 2.1, I dont see how you will get 60FPS on 4K with a 1070 in any game tbh.
I dont even think Fallout 4 will run above 30-40FPS vanilla!!!!!

Your new monitor is awesome but it will also require a lot of GPU-power, which your 1070 lacks.
Heck, even a 1080TI would die on the vine.

So what about the C3 for Xbox Series X gaming - wouldn't that be a big step up as compared to console gaming on my current X900E monitor?

If so, then if I just kept using the 1070Ti with the C3 than couldn't I just play BG3 at a lower resolution with the settings turned up the way I can now on the X900E?

[C1REX]

Origineel geplaatst door joefig44:

I have an LG OLED42C3 incoming and using a GTX 1070 Ti.
I mainly just play BG3.

When is that TV coming? Can't be more than 2-3 days, can it?

Just connect and see how it works. There's no chance for 4K120fps, but you can maintain the same settings as you currently have and simply add some simple upscaling.

Unfortunately, you can't use DLSS, but you can use NIS (Nvidia Image Scaling) from the driver level or FSR, NIS from the Lossless scaling app (on Steam). The 4070 would be a nice upgrade, but spending $515 just for one game is not ideal. Unless you were considering switching to PC gaming then it would be a nice upgrade if you are not CPU bottlenecked.

[joefig44]

Origineel geplaatst door C1REX:

Origineel geplaatst door joefig44:

I have an LG OLED42C3 incoming and using a GTX 1070 Ti.
I mainly just play BG3.

When is that TV coming? Can't be more than 2-3 days, can it?

Just connect and see how it works. There's no chance for 4K120fps, but you can maintain the same settings as you currently have and simply add some simple upscaling.

Unfortunately, you can't use DLSS, but you can use NIS (Nvidia Image Scaling) from the driver level or FSR, NIS from the Lossless scaling app (on Steam). The 4070 would be a nice upgrade, but spending $515 just for one game is not ideal. Unless you were considering switching to PC gaming then it would be a nice upgrade if you are not CPU bottlenecked.

Yeah, the C3 will be here tomorrow night - will give it a go and see. Thank you.

I haven't bothered with this stuff since 1080p PC gaming was the mainstream, so please bear with my as I quickly learn.

I'm entertaining the idea of becoming more of a PC vs an xbox gamer, but I'm trying to understand the fundamental differences in regards to each of those options with my incoming new TV:
So, if I'm playing the same game on the LG C3 on an Xbox Series X vs. a PC (let's assume with a 4070 in it), what exactly am I going to notice the most in regards to improvements on the PC version?

On the CPU bottleneck point, I have a Ryzen 9 3900x - bottleneck with a 4070? What about with a 4090?

Finally, the other thing that perplexes me is:
With my existing 1070 Ti I'm running in 3840x2160 in BG3 with all settings on. Since the incoming OLED C3 is also 3840x2160, couldn't i just continue to run it the same? It's just that I wouldn't be taking advantage of the 120hz until I pickup a 4070 or better, right?

[MadAsAHatter]

Lol, I just started a thread because windows 11 desktop looks absolutely terribel at 120hz on my screen.

[C1REX]

Origineel geplaatst door joefig44:

I'm entertaining the idea of becoming more of a PC vs an xbox gamer, but I'm trying to understand the fundamental differences in regards to each of those options with my incoming new TV:
So, if I'm playing the same game on the LG C3 on an Xbox Series X vs. a PC (let's assume with a 4070 in it), what exactly am I going to notice the most in regards to improvements on the PC version?

On the CPU bottleneck point, I have a Ryzen 9 3900x - bottleneck with a 4070? What about with a 4090?

In some games there is almost no difference between PC and Xbox but in others there is a night and day difference. Starfield is hard to run on PC but you can play at 60-90fps and real 4K if you have GPU strong enough when on Xbox you have lower resolution and 30fps. You also have access to way more games. On one platform you can play God of War, The Last of Us but also Starfield and Forza.

3900x is plenty for 60fps gaming. It can often achieve 120fps but not always. 4090 can (but not always) outperform 3900x even at 4K max settings but is currently at crazy high price - 4x more than a 4070. We can also get a 5090 in a year or so.

I was running 3950x + 7900XTX until recently and was always GPU limited except for Starfield.
I have 7800x3D now and see close to no difference at 4K.
If you feel comfortable financially then I recommend something like 4070 or 7800XT.

[N0REGARD4LIFE]

Origineel geplaatst door joefig44:

Will I notice a difference in BG3 betwween 60 fps and 120ftps?

Huge difference between 60-120fps. Huge.

[Monk]

Origineel geplaatst door N0REGARD4LIFE:

Origineel geplaatst door joefig44:

Will I notice a difference in BG3 betwween 60 fps and 120ftps?

Huge difference between 60-120fps. Huge.

Not so much in a slow turn based game like BG3.

[joefig44]

With my GTX 1070 Ti I'm getting avg 30fps in BG3. I'm guessing with even a 4070 I'd be at 60ftps+?

The other thing is that the fan noise is super loud when playing (chassis fans and 1070 Ti only as my Ryzen 9 3900x is liquid cooled). Would fan noise be less with a 4070?

[C1REX]

Origineel geplaatst door joefig44:

With my GTX 1070 Ti I'm getting avg 30fps in BG3. I'm guessing with even a 4070 I'd be at 60ftps+?

The other thing is that the fan noise is super loud when playing (chassis fans and 1070 Ti only as my Ryzen 9 3900x is liquid cooled). Would fan noise be less with a 4070?

4070 is generally very energy efficient, but its noise also depends on the quality of cooling. It should be whisper quiet with a chunky triple fan setup. Additionally, noise depends on good airflow in your case. Power supply pushed to its limit may also crank its own fan speed up.

[joefig44]

So, I'm sitting here contemplating a few things for my current build in order to get the most out of my OLED42C3.

Current Build:
Ryzen 9 3900X
Asus TUF x570-E Gaming
Asus GTX 1070 Ti
2x 1TB Samsung Evo 970 Plus

Options:
A - Pick up an Nvidia RTX 4080 ($1800 after tax in Canada vs $2800 for 4090 here)
B - Sell the whole PC and pick up a prebuilt PC with a 4090 in it, like a Aurora R16
~$3530 after selling my current one

So for a an additional ~$730 from buying a 4090 for my current build, I could get the pre-built with an i7-13700F, 4090, 16gb ram, liquid cooled PSU.

Thoughts?

[Monk]

If you can afford it, I'd go with a new system, your cpu and ram is old, but I'd avoid alienware they have horrible cases / cooling and don't use standard parts so overclocking / upgrades could be difficult, it will likely be slow ram also.

Pick the part selection that fits your budget from these

https://framechasers.org/merch/

Edit.
Due to gpu shortage right now, you'll need to shop around for the cheapest option.

[Crawl]

Origineel geplaatst door joefig44:

So, I'm sitting here contemplating a few things for my current build in order to get the most out of my OLED42C3.

Current Build:
Ryzen 9 3900X
Asus TUF x570-E Gaming
Asus GTX 1070 Ti
2x 1TB Samsung Evo 970 Plus

Options:
A - Pick up an Nvidia RTX 4080 ($1800 after tax in Canada vs $2800 for 4090 here)
B - Sell the whole PC and pick up a prebuilt PC with a 4090 in it, like a Aurora R16
~$3530 after selling my current one

So for a an additional ~$730 from buying a 4090 for my current build, I could get the pre-built with an i7-13700F, 4090, 16gb ram, liquid cooled PSU.

Thoughts?

If you are going to be getting serious about PC gaming I'd go with the new system. Dell wouldn't be my first choice in a prebuild but they do tend to have better pricing due to the volume of systems they sell. If you aren't stuck on Intel I'd also consider an AM5 system. Its a new platform and with AMDs track record you'd probably get several generations of upgrades out of it where the Intel system is basically end of life.

I'm not sure if they are running a similar deal in Canada but I'd lean more towards this:

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/alienware-aurora-r15-gaming-desktop/spd/alienware-aurora-r15-amd-desktop/wdr15amd50h_cc_cm?dbp=1