How it feel like using 4 gb of ram in 2024

[Sylveon]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ its it so slow as ♥♥♥♥!!! what in the world!!!

[River]

https://www.neowin.net/news/youtube-seemingly-intentionally-crippled-and-slow-on-firefox-while-google-chrome-works-fine/

[Viking2121]

Messaggio originale di nineret:

I dunno why youtube is so bloat these day.... I think it was cause by my CPU...

If you use a still supported GPU, and enable hardware acceleration, it should take some load off the CPU, But if your GPU is old, mostly really old AMD/ATI cards, even with a driver it falls back to CPU decoding, I've had luck with an old Nvidia 8400gt on a Q6600 system in my garage with Windows 11 out of all things, I use it for youtube and it will do 4k just fine, but the old HD5450 I had in it first wouldn't use hardware rendering and I couldn't even do 1080 60fps smoothly.

[AntiGrieferGames]

Messaggio originale di xSOSxHawkens:

Pretty similar to 32GB actually...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3128329899


https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3128331204

Real talk though, 4GB is still usable of daily basic computer tasks on Windows 10. Its not *great* and it does dog down, but I am typing and posting this from the above x220 which is also running a VPN and other software and has about 10 tabs open in Opera.

Its as good as any system is when running low on memory, and it behaves similar (albeit slower due to hardware age) to the desktop to its left with far more RAM but which is also high on use. Granted it has ~6k tabs as of last browser close to the 10 on the 220, so yeh... But point it 4GB is usable.

Not for gaming though.

Pro-Tip from someone who regularly uses Windows in high memory use cases! Your page file matters, and having a large and fast one is crucial. Any 4GB system *needs* to be running on an SSD and *needs* a minimum of 8GB-16GB hard set or better page files. Even on my main rig I have a *very* large max page file, and have seen windows dynamically allocate out into that for up to 96GB+ allocated. Thats how you keep windows usable, allow windows the space to freely manage virtual memory (dont make it struggle with auto assignment).

Did you tweaked before you performs on windows 10?

Also "Not for gaming though.", it still can game!

[River]

Messaggio originale di Viking2121:

Messaggio originale di nineret:

I dunno why youtube is so bloat these day.... I think it was cause by my CPU...

If you use a still supported GPU, and enable hardware acceleration, it should take some load off the CPU, But if your GPU is old, mostly really old AMD/ATI cards, even with a driver it falls back to CPU decoding, I've had luck with an old Nvidia 8400gt on a Q6600 system in my garage with Windows 11 out of all things, I use it for youtube and it will do 4k just fine, but the old HD5450 I had in it first wouldn't use hardware rendering and I couldn't even do 1080 60fps smoothly.

Does it fine on my spare old system.

[AntiGrieferGames]

Messaggio originale di Viking2121:

Messaggio originale di nineret:

I dunno why youtube is so bloat these day.... I think it was cause by my CPU...

If you use a still supported GPU, and enable hardware acceleration, it should take some load off the CPU, But if your GPU is old, mostly really old AMD/ATI cards, even with a driver it falls back to CPU decoding, I've had luck with an old Nvidia 8400gt on a Q6600 system in my garage with Windows 11 out of all things, I use it for youtube and it will do 4k just fine, but the old HD5450 I had in it first wouldn't use hardware rendering and I couldn't even do 1080 60fps smoothly.

Or just use Invidious. Very light weight Youtube

[A&A]

Messaggio originale di Stacked:

Multiple tabs can also be CPU intensive, so if you're limited on cores, the extra RAM might not even help much anyway.

An I7 620M with 8GB can't run minecraft server normally because the RAM limits the CPU.

[Illusion of Progress]

Messaggio originale di ✠ A&A ✠:

An I7 620M with 8GB can't run minecraft server normally because the RAM limits the CPU.

The reason that CPU is slow in that game is not because 8 GB isn't enough capacity for it; it's because it's just a slow CPU, and Minecraft is a very CPU heavy game. The CPU is the issue there, not the fact that RAM capacity is 8 GB.

8 GB can be sufficient for a server. It depends on the number of players, render distance of the server (usually kept lower on servers for bandwidth reasons), and plug-ins/mods.

[A&A]

The CPU is not very strong, but sufficient for a small server. However, creating new chunks in the game is a little bit slower, but it doesn't affect the gameplay by a much. Additionally, as more chunks are generated, the server will require more RAM. An hour or two of gameplay it hits 8GB and the page file is a result of dropped ticks. Restarting the server fixes it temporarily.

[Illusion of Progress]

Messaggio originale di ✠ A&A ✠:

The CPU is not very strong, but sufficient for a small server. However, creating new chunks in the game is a little bit slower, but it doesn't affect the gameplay by a much. Additionally, as more chunks are generated, the server will require more RAM. An hour or two of gameplay it hits 8GB and the page file is a result of dropped ticks. Restarting the server fixes it temporarily.

Yes, the low performance is due to the slow CPU and not RAM quantity as I said.

Minecraft is a CPU heavy game, generating chunks is the single most demanding moment in the game, and a first generation Core processor is incredibly slow these days. Even the fastest CPUs can struggle at this game. Ironically, yes, hardware that is too slow to run the game locally can manage a light server just fine and that includes that CPU (I used a Core 2 for this once), but the CPU is still almost always the weak link for this game.

The second thing you're describing sounds like a memory leak somewhere.

More chunks generated should not increase RAM use, because only the chunks that should be loaded within render distance of a player, and the ones at spawn, should be loaded and contributing to RAM use. Chunks are saved to disk and unloaded when they fall out of the render distance. They shouldn't be kept in RAM until the server is restarted as far as I know (and the garbage collector should be doing its job too) so it sounds like a memory leak to me. I don't know if vanilla Minecraft (or whatever you're using) has a known one, but the last time I hosted a server (using Paper via one of the 1.19 versions and also on a PC with 8 GB incidentally), I saw no such memory leaks while playing for a handful of hours (two players). More players will increase memory use, as will a higher render distance or mods if you are using any (many mods are heavy with RAM use).

[Talby]

any linux with XFCE would work well with 4gb and a dual core at least - any lower you are looking at LXQT or fluxbox... and yes a light browser like seamonkey is also a must!

[RMJ]

Why would anyone even think of putting 10 On an older rig? It has so much useless crap on it that just weighs the system down for absolutely no reason .
I have 3 older IBM laptops I used for "road work" One only has 4 gig. I used it for specifics . But rarely had to pull it off the shelf. 2 others for other specifics. They both were "upgraded" lol to 8 gig. Still run 7 on them all. As there is absolutely no reason to put an OS on them that has alot of "dead useless weight" on it. XP was the most stable OS windows has ever made , and it still is. So many hospitals used xp for the longest time And I am sure Some still do in some countrys that cannot afford buying new hardware for life saving gear. I remember going to many Jobs - hospitals When 10 was new and still seeing XP on machines. And I completely understood why they were still using it!

I have a gaming rig- I play games on it 4k. And still use 7 on it. Here it is Jan 1st 2024 , in the after noon and I am on it with steam! When they said steam will not work on 7 after the 31st December 2023.

All I can is you just gotta be smarter then the Computers!

[RMJ]

And if you are not familiar with UNIX- LINUX........ There is no reason to. Unless you wanna get friendly with them and how they work. Just geta older version of winblows keep that OS as the hardware will be happy and you will know how it works.

[Haruspex]

Whatever the PC, you can probably double that RAM to 8 GB for less than lunch.

[AntiGrieferGames]

Messaggio originale di ✠ A&A ✠:

Messaggio originale di Stacked:

Multiple tabs can also be CPU intensive, so if you're limited on cores, the extra RAM might not even help much anyway.

An I7 620M with 8GB can't run minecraft server normally because the RAM limits the CPU.

Minecraft Java is very Single Core Intensive.

[r.linder]

Messaggio originale di AntiGrieferGames:

Messaggio originale di ✠ A&A ✠:

An I7 620M with 8GB can't run minecraft server normally because the RAM limits the CPU.

Minecraft Java is very Single Core Intensive.

They were talking about running a minecraft server off of that and specifically mentioned that it's limited by RAM, not core count

In general you want a decent CPU and enough RAM if you're planning on running a decent sized multiplayer server. Nobody is going to want to play on a server that performs like crap.