upgrade the AM4 CPU or switch to AM5 DDR5 completely?

[VaNessa#37 | WCL]

so i was wondering if its worth to upgrade to a
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-ryzen-7-5000-series/p/N82E16819113734

my current system is
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700x 3,6GhZ
GPU: KFA ExGamer Pink RTX 4070
MB: AORUS B450 PRO
RAM: AORUS 4x8GB Dual Channel DDR4-RAM CL16

what hardware would you suggest if i should upgrade to DDR5?
(ive got a good RAM Modules with CL16 latency thou...)
so thats why i am questioning myself to just upgrade the CPU

[Nabster]

3700x should be fast enough, you won't feel much difference in gaming with a faster cpu.

If it is a needless upgrade, may as well go to am5.

[xSOSxHawkens]

If you play high refresh rate (think 120 hz or higher) then yes, it will be well worth it.

If you run 60Hz/FPS normally then not really needed.

The 3000 series is fast enough, the 5k is a def upgrade though. I noticed gains in game going from the 3900x to the 5950x.

[Illusion of Progress]

It's the only CPU on the platform worth upgrading to for gaming from your current position (or maybe the 5600X3D), and it might not even be worthwhile. I upgraded to a 5800X3D from a 3700X and it felt like pretty substantial, but that was in Minecraft which is a very CPU reliant game. For GPU leaning stuff I'd probably think staying with the 3700X and waiting to upgrade to something newer later makes more sense.

For reference, a 7800X3D is going to be ~15% faster than a 5800X3D, so weigh that against how much extra you'll be paying to change motherboard and RAM to move to AM5 versus just the CPU. To me, that wouldn't be worth it for someone already one AM4, even if the two CPUs have a similar cost.

I think after Zen 5 and its X3D variants launch, then AM5 will be more worthwhile to switch to from AM4, but right now if you're already on AM4, the 5800X3D makes more sense if it's for gaming.

[r.linder]

Considering the cost to performance, 5800X3D would make more sense because you're already on socket AM4. The performance you'll get from a 7800X3D over a 5800X3D wouldn't be worth the much higher cost of an entire platform change because you only have a 4070.

You'll see gains regardless because the 3700X will bottleneck anything equal to or faster than a 2080 Ti -- which includes the 4070, and the higher cache used for X3D CPUs reduces the amount of time the CPU has to spend to access RAM, which is why it can make the CPU faster in some loads, particularly games.

[VaNessa#37 | WCL]

Thank you for all your quick responses:

@xSOSxHawkens
YES i absolutely play on high refresh rates and thats why i was thinking about upgrading my CPU, because i felt like the CPU is holding off the graphics card for more frames (i saw YT videos with better CPUs and of course the same graphics cards -> bringing out more frames than i get right now.

@Illusion of Progress
Thank you for your response i think i wait until the RTX 5xxx Series will be release to upgrade to AM5 entirely.....

[xSOSxHawkens]

Yeh, if you run high refresh you would see a bump up with just about any 5k CPU (even a 5600x likely). Something like the 5800x 3d with some quality ram (read 3600Mhz CL16 or similar) and you have a platform that is within spitting distance of the 13th gen and AM5, and plenty capable of pushing (and not holding back) even a 7900xt/xtx or 4080-4090.

[pasa]

Do you have any /other/ motivation for the upgrade beyond burning money? If you need additional CPU power and the 20-30% diff (look up the actual figure) the other provides covers the gap, and you have the money, sure go ahead. Another good reason might be that you plan to keep the upgraded system for X additional years where the power will be needed and you fear the supply will dry up completely.

Otherwise the ideal is to just keep what you have as is for the longest period. Then build anew from most recent ingredients and pass on the current box.

Just "feeling" a cpu hold-back is no replacement for making real measurements. Also, there are options to play with to tune. And sometimes drag is caused by mundane factors like fragmented HDD or too many files accumulated in the temp folder. Or thermal throttling.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

You can't utilize that 4070 fully without a better cpu. I'd definitely look into getting 5800X3D along with a decent 3rd party cpu cooler.

What exact ram model do you have?

[Talby]

Also considering the 5800x3d for my b450 (currently 2600x), one for my youngest son, has a 2600 in his b450, and one for my oldest who has a 1600x on an ab350 board. Will probably pair them with the assassin-x cooler...

[emoticorpse]

If you only game, I'd go with a 5800x3d

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originally posted by Talby:

Also considering the 5800x3d for my b450 (currently 2600x), one for my youngest son, has a 2600 in his b450, and one for my oldest who has a 1600x on an ab350 board. Will probably pair them with the assassin-x cooler...

As long as the Motherboard has a bios update for Ryzen 5xxx. Just do not update to that unless going to use a cpu from that series. Of so, apply the bios update juat prior to swapping cpus

[VaNessa#37 | WCL]

@pasa
i am using an SSD

@Bad Motha
i am using these in dual channel
Aorus RAM[www.gigabyte.com]

[antoniobennett72]

Drop in upgrade, recover $100ish from the 3700x, add a solid cooler. Seems a relatively painless way to wring a few more good years out of the build and get full use out of the 4070.

Maybe double up that RAM sometime soon.

[VaNessa#37 | WCL]

@antoniobennett72

i will but isnt 32GB of RAM not enough allready? i barely get over 49% usage.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

a 3700x is about a 12% bottleneck in 1440p
but no bottleneck in 4k.

a 4070 is 600 euro..
so loosing 12% performace = 72 euro of value.

you aint going to get a better am4 cpu for 72 euro.
let alone a full am5 set.

so just sticking with what you got for now is best.

32gb ram for now is enough. for the coming time. by the time you need more you can always look at upgrade options again.

to remove that 12% bottlenevk at 1440p
you would need an ryzen 9 5900x (300 euro)
(even the 5800x3d will npt fully remove the bottlemeck only halve it)
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or if you pick am5 you would neec at minimum a ryzen 7 7700 (280 euro).

id say just swallow that 12% hit for now.