7800x3d now or wait for next gen x3d?

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Im looking at buying a b650 board, 7800x3d, ddr5 ram in the next week or so. I heard there are rumours that the next gen 8000 series (or whatever its going to be called) will be released in 2024, whether that be early 2024 or later. Do you think its worth me holding off?

Im struggling for frames and most of my games makes my 9700k run at 100% usage which sucks as Im a competitive gamer and just want the highest fps and most stable 1% which I currently struggle with.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

How is your 9700K struggling when even a 4770 is just fine for MOST games, even for RDR2

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How is your 9700K struggling when even a 4770 is just fine for MOST games, even for RDR2

I play high level cs2, I play on a 2560x1440 270hz monitor and even with my rtx 3080 it BARELY hits 270fps and constantly drops to 120fps which is awful. Getting a 7800x3d will mean 600fps+ average and much higher 99% fps.

Even games like the Finals I can barely hit 100fps average with all low 1440p and with my cpu pinned at 100% let alone doing anything like streaming recording etc

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You're willing to spend all that money; to play games like CS2?
Are people serious with this BS?

I mean I was hoping for an answer related to my post and not someone insulting my choice of games. CS is the most played game on steam and arguably the biggest competitive esports scene in the world aside from LOL. I dont see how spending £700 on a cpu upgrade for a better performance playing at the top %1 is something to criticise. I guess casual gamers who enjoy singleplayer games wont understand and you dont have to

I guess ill wait for a response thats actually relevant

[emoticorpse]

If you could hold, I would but half for the cpu and half for hopefully some new boards that get released with it and not a b650. Not sure if any new boards will come with it though. If you can't wait, I suppose why not.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

No telling just yet when Ryzen 88xx/89xx will be here; but sometime in 2024.
Should have more details on that after CES-2024 comes to pass which takes place Jan 9-12 2024 where we will get plenty of news from NVIDIA and AMD and others on new upcoming PC hardware stuff.

If you must have it now, then by all means.

But yes you will need new AM5 Motherboard + DDR5 RAM, such as DDR5-6000
Will also need a decent CPU cooler.

The B650 and X670 boards will support the Ryzen 8xxx series when those come out later.

If you must go with B650 board, make sure it has proper VRMs to handle the Ryzen 7/9 properly.

What is your current Power Supply?

[Crawl]

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Escrito originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

You're willing to spend all that money; to play games like CS2?
Are people serious with this BS?

I mean I was hoping for an answer related to my post and not someone insulting my choice of games. CS is the most played game on steam and arguably the biggest competitive esports scene in the world aside from LOL. I dont see how spending £700 on a cpu upgrade for a better performance playing at the top %1 is something to criticise. I guess casual gamers who enjoy singleplayer games wont understand and you dont have to

I guess ill wait for a response thats actually relevant

I'd ignore him, he's been trying to farm clown awards or something lately.

As for your question. If it were me and I was unhappy with my current performance I'd go ahead and upgrade. The AM5 platform is new so you should get at least another generation or two out of it so you can always grab that 8000 series or what ever down the road if you choose.

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No telling just yet when Ryzen 88xx/89xx will be here; but sometime in 2024.
Should have more details on that after CES-2024 comes to pass which takes place Jan 9-12 2024 where we will get plenty of news from NVIDIA and AMD and others on new upcoming PC hardware stuff.

If you must have it now, then by all means.

But yes you will need new AM5 Motherboard + DDR5 RAM, such as DDR5-6000
Will also need a decent CPU cooler.

The B650 and X670 boards will support the Ryzen 8xxx series when those come out later.

If you must go with B650 board, make sure it has proper VRMs to handle the Ryzen 7/9 properly.

What is your current Power Supply?

Thank you.
Paired with my RTX 3080 I have a RM750 psu which I know is at the limit for a system like mine.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/6qb2v3

These are the components I was looking at, I know the motherboard is overkill but I upgrade my system once every 5-6 years and my next cpu will probably be the last generation of am5 chips so I can just keep the motherboard for a long time.

My issue is i bought into Z390 with a i7 9700k with zero upgrade path down the line, had I gone with a 3700x (am4 system) instead I probably would have just gotten a 5800x3d now.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Have to change Motherboards at some point regardless.
9700K was good, back around 2017 or so.

[Wichtelman]

just one question which games do push an 8 core i7-9700k to 100% usage? counterstrike 2 or any e-sport games certainly not... maybe cap your fps at 144? what do you think will happen if you get 600 fps with a new cpu?

i think it is not worth holding off as you can say that before and after each release...

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Nothing you do is going to hit above 400-500 FPS anyways. Even on 14th Gen i9 + 4090; only with those "you might" hit around 500-550 FPS

But yea set a Max and Background Max FPS Limits in NVIDIA Control Panel.
And are you using a static refresh rate or adaptive?

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Im looking at buying a b650 board, 7800x3d, ddr5 ram in the next week or so. I heard there are rumours that the next gen 8000 series (or whatever its going to be called) will be released in 2024, whether that be early 2024 or later. Do you think its worth me holding off?

Latest rumors say 2024 Q3 for boards, so cpu's should come around the same time.
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-700-am5-and-intel-800-lga-1851-motherboard-series-might-be-coming-in-q3-2024

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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/6qb2v3

These are the components I was looking at, I know the motherboard is overkill but I upgrade my system once every 5-6 years and my next cpu will probably be the last generation of am5 chips so I can just keep the motherboard for a long time.

B650E-E if you don't care about potential Lan, Sata, Usb and audio issues go for it.
G.Skill got no money for 0.1$ thermal pad for PMIC, people(especially SFF) got issues with it since it runs hot gives error or Bsod. Corsair uses pads but it makes no contact with PMIC.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Does the board have to be MicroATX ?

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just one question which games do push an 8 core i7-9700k to 100% usage? counterstrike 2 or any e-sport games certainly not... maybe cap your fps at 144? what do you think will happen if you get 600 fps with a new cpu?

i think it is not worth holding off as you can say that before and after each release...

Most games dont max out my cpu at 100% usage but in every game my cpu bottlenecks my rtx 3080 pretty severely aside from AAA titles. My friends with even a 3060 ti but a newer cpu like the 5600x or 12600k get a higher fps than me in esports titles or fps games like apex, warzone, cs2 etc by a signiifcant amount.

The finals is the rare case my cpu actually gets maxed out at 100% and I only get 100fps with severe fps drops down to 50fps. People with the 7800x3d and the same gpu probably get 2x the fps and its at 40-50% cpu usage so my pc is still usable when playing the game and i can have other things open like OBS and chrome.

Id rather have my gpu pinned at 100% then my cpu being maxed out and my gpu at 30-40%. Theres no point me having a 3080 otherwise.

Plus my monitor is 270hz so 144fps is pretty jarring to play at, its also worse for latency and I find it pretty noticeable, I upgraded from a 144hz zowie recently and it was a huge change.

144hz is pretty jittery and slow in 2023 especially for esports titles. You can pick up 280hz for £225 these days and with dyac 2 being released too a lot of high level players will be moving to that

[Bad 💀 Motha]

9700K is only good for up to around 1080 Ti / 2070

So yes, CPU is holding it back, but still, games like CS2 should not be texting no 9700K anywhere near 80-100% ~ CS2 is one heck of a crappy game for one thing. It's like a new CS Beta. In short, it's trash.

One issue is continuing to play games @ 1080p; that's going to end up nearly maxing the CPU and leaving anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2 of your GPU going un-used.

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Nothing you do is going to hit above 400-500 FPS anyways. Even on 14th Gen i9 + 4090; only with those "you might" hit around 500-550 FPS

But yea set a Max and Background Max FPS Limits in NVIDIA Control Panel.
And are you using a static refresh rate or adaptive?

Perhaps, I do play cs2 at 4:3 stretched.

https://youtu.be/RbQmgysa7dk?t=152
This guy where he gets 750fps Id get 270fps, where it drops to 600 fps id get around 150fps.

Regardless its a huge difference for me for consistency. It may seem silly to dispute 150fps vs 400 fps when looking at other games like rdr2 or warzone but in cs2 its hugely noticeable and jarring to play with stutters. I want the game to be as responsive and fast as possible and its easily obtainable with a newer cpu. Also Its not a Matx motherboard its ATX