Win10 or Win11(without TPM)?

[Ralf]

Win10 keeps bugging me to upgrade even though I have TPM set to Discrete(no module installed), since AMD seems to have stuttering issues with TPM enabled.

I got a new SSD and wanted to do a fresh Windows install and was wondering installing Win11 without TPM(using rufus) would work? Would Win11 updates re-enable TPM requirement in the OS?

[Supafly]

Enter Bios and turn it off.

what it's called can differ between boards. I just did a web search for my board to find out where to find the right command.

If you disable it on an existing installation you'll have sign-in issues which will disable the hello pin access. Can't remember if I had to use my password or Microsoft Authenticator app, maybe both. Once logged in the first time after disabling it should all work fine. If you used the pin just create a new one...can be the same.

EDIT: To be clear I use Win10 and disabling TPM in the bios this prevents the your system can run 11 message.

[plat]

Do you mean, you have a firmware tpm (ftpm enabled in UEFI)? I came up with this statement from AMD in a search:

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-410

Acc. to AMD, the stuttering issue was addressed over 1.5 years ago with various updates to the UEFI. When in Windows 11, I would keep whatever hardware requirements there are enabled. When I ran 11 as a DEV build and wanted to see what would happen if I removed the chip, there would be nags and error messages in Event Viewer related to the tpm or lack thereof (mine is a small Infineon chip).

The Rufus method def. works, I've read in various places, and those who bypass the 11 requirements still get updates (for the time being). All I can say is: try it yourself. Windows 10 will still be there without this hassle if it doesn't work out.

[Ralf]

Supafly님이 먼저 게시:

Enter Bios and turn it off.

There is no option to turn off, it's either firmware or discrete TPM. I tried both options and Win10 still wants to upgrade to 11.

plat님이 먼저 게시:

Acc. to AMD, the stuttering issue was addressed over 1.5 years ago with various updates to the UEFI.

Some people claim the issues is still there, just like the USB dropout that was supposed to be fixed years ago.

[PopinFRESH]

Ralf님이 먼저 게시:

Supafly님이 먼저 게시:

Enter Bios and turn it off.

There is no option to turn off, it's either firmware or discrete TPM. I tried both options and Win10 still wants to upgrade to 11.

plat님이 먼저 게시:

Acc. to AMD, the stuttering issue was addressed over 1.5 years ago with various updates to the UEFI.

Some people claim the issues is still there, just like the USB dropout that was supposed to be fixed years ago.

Which motherboard do you have?

You definitely can disable it.

EDIT: although, afaik the "stutter" issue with AMD's fTPM implementation was resolved a while ago with a firmware update; so I'd probably recommend enabling that and actually using the TPM with Windows 11. Alternatively, if your board has the option you are describing in UEFI then you likely have a TPM header on the board and could also get a TPM module instead. They are normally about $15. If you list your motherboard I can look at the manual and find you a link to the compatible TPM module.

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

Ralf님이 먼저 게시:

Win10 keeps bugging me to upgrade even though I have TPM set to Discrete(no module installed), since AMD seems to have stuttering issues with TPM enabled.

I got a new SSD and wanted to do a fresh Windows install and was wondering installing Win11 without TPM(using rufus) would work? Would Win11 updates re-enable TPM requirement in the OS?

The stuttering issues were over a year ago. These issues aren't present anymore.

You can use the console to open regedit during installation and create your registry keys to bypass these requirements.

Then when windows loads you can go into security settings and dismiss your tpm requirement.

I have my tpm 2.0 enabled in windows 11 with my Ryzen 1200af and there's no stutter.

[plat]

Yes, if you can, save yourself a hassle and keep that tpm enabled if possible. See if there are additional updates for the UEFI, even though it's understandable why one wouldn't want to go that route.

[emoticorpse]

I don't think Windows 11 updates would force tpm back on. Reason, I don't think this is because I don't think it's a hack. I think it's a legitimate choice setting that Windows 11 offers (even if it's hard to get to). Reason, I think it's a legitimate option is because Ntlite allows you to turn this off, and as far as I know what they offer is legitimate dism options through an alternate interface?

My guess though. I will experiment with it soon enough, and I already customized my install iso with those options turned off, but it was kind of a pain in the ass.

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Ralf님이 먼저 게시:

Win10 keeps bugging me to upgrade even though I have TPM set to Discrete(no module installed), since AMD seems to have stuttering issues with TPM enabled.

I got a new SSD and wanted to do a fresh Windows install and was wondering installing Win11 without TPM(using rufus) would work? Would Win11 updates re-enable TPM requirement in the OS?

If you have a chip in your TPM socket then you have a discrete TPM. The stutter issue is with AMD's firmware, and I do not believe affects discrete TPM chips.

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plat님이 먼저 게시:

Yes, if you can, save yourself a hassle and keep that tpm enabled if possible. See if there are additional updates for the UEFI, even though it's understandable why one wouldn't want to go that route.

There may be new firmware updates coming out if not in the past few days, in the coming weeks, due to the LogoFAIL vulnerability, and presumably they would have the latest AGESA firmware to fix the bugs.

[Ralf]

PopinFRESH님이 먼저 게시:

Which motherboard do you have?

You definitely can disable it.

Asus Prime X670E-Pro Wifi
There are only two options: https://i.imgur.com/GeCvAPN.jpg

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Ralf님이 먼저 게시:

PopinFRESH님이 먼저 게시:

Which motherboard do you have?

You definitely can disable it.

Asus Prime X670E-Pro Wifi
There are only two options: https://i.imgur.com/GeCvAPN.jpg

Weird, maybe they did so for Windows 11 logo requirements? As mentioned check if something is plugged into the TPM socket. Also you might want to run tpm.msc and give the Manufacturer name (mine on my Intel board with discrete TPM is IFX for Infineon but if I used the fTPM it would be INTC for Intel).

[Supafly]

Ralf님이 먼저 게시:

PopinFRESH님이 먼저 게시:

Which motherboard do you have?

You definitely can disable it.

Asus Prime X670E-Pro Wifi
There are only two options: https://i.imgur.com/GeCvAPN.jpg

Have a look here. Steps to actually disable TPM for AMD system is further down
https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1047459/

EDIT At the top it shows what you linked but further down it'll show you where to go to actually disable it

[PopinFRESH]

Ralf님이 먼저 게시:

PopinFRESH님이 먼저 게시:

Which motherboard do you have?

You definitely can disable it.

Asus Prime X670E-Pro Wifi
There are only two options: https://i.imgur.com/GeCvAPN.jpg

Which BIOS version are you currently on? (should be shown on the main page)

It should be in the section that Supafly noted under Trusted Computing.

Also here is a link to a compatible SPI TPM2.0 14-1 Nuvoton module for Asus boards that use that pin-out.

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-MOTHERBOARDS-Module-System-Components/dp/B08836SG1X/

Regardless, I'd still strongly recommend rather than trying to disable it to either use the above hardware module or the fTPM and normally installing Windows 11 with SecureBoot.

If you aren't already on this BIOS version then I'd also recommend updating to that BIOS/UEFI firmware version first; then re-configure your UEFI settings as needed and clean install your Windows 11.

PRIME X670E-PRO WIFI BIOS 1813
Version 1813
11.21 MB
2023/11/01

[N3tRunn3r]

W10 + TPM

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PopinFRESH님이 먼저 게시:

Ralf님이 먼저 게시:

Asus Prime X670E-Pro Wifi
There are only two options: https://i.imgur.com/GeCvAPN.jpg

Which BIOS version are you currently on? (should be shown on the main page)

It should be in the section that Supafly noted under Trusted Computing.

Also here is a link to a compatible SPI TPM2.0 14-1 Nuvoton module for Asus boards that use that pin-out.

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-MOTHERBOARDS-Module-System-Components/dp/B08836SG1X/

Regardless, I'd still strongly recommend rather than trying to disable it to either use the above hardware module or the fTPM and normally installing Windows 11 with SecureBoot.

If you aren't already on this BIOS version then I'd also recommend updating to that BIOS/UEFI firmware version first; then re-configure your UEFI settings as needed and clean install your Windows 11.

PRIME X670E-PRO WIFI BIOS 1813
Version 1813
11.21 MB
2023/11/01

Secure Boot is actually supported without TPM; I have a 2013 laptop with Secure Boot but no TPM; OEMs were only required to support TPM since around 2016 but Secure Boot was required since 2012.

That said, if you use BitLocker, toggling either TPM or Secure Boot will disrupt the key and require entering of the Recovery Key to access the drive's data.