Win10 or Win11(without TPM)?

[Ralf]

Win10 keeps bugging me to upgrade even though I have TPM set to Discrete(no module installed), since AMD seems to have stuttering issues with TPM enabled.

I got a new SSD and wanted to do a fresh Windows install and was wondering installing Win11 without TPM(using rufus) would work? Would Win11 updates re-enable TPM requirement in the OS?

[r3ach5stars1]

Origineel geplaatst door emoticorpse:

I don't think Windows 11 updates would force tpm back on. Reason, I don't think this is because I don't think it's a hack. I think it's a legitimate choice setting that Windows 11 offers (even if it's hard to get to). Reason, I think it's a legitimate option is because Ntlite allows you to turn this off, and as far as I know what they offer is legitimate dism options through an alternate interface?

My guess though. I will experiment with it soon enough, and I already customized my install iso with those options turned off, but it was kind of a pain in the ass.

they will it called planned obsolescence they need win $ with hardware negotiator

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I talk about it today with my pc technicain when he coem to my house to bring the laptop of my mother that we had gave thim to him to fix it aftetr is monitor started dying. He said that none of his clients has upg raded to 11 yet and he told me to keep 10 until they stop supporting them.
What should ido? Keep 10 until the support end and then change cpu ram and motherboared and upgrade to 11:?

Or use Rufushttps://www.minitool.com/news/rufus-download-windows-11-10.html and install 11 now before i change cpu ram and motherboard?
I know only two people who have installed 11 until now:

One of my friends who have upgraded his pc in 2022(he upgraded evrything) and then got the notification from Windows update to upgrade to 11, and one of my colleagues at the office that i work where he used Rufus to install windows 11 on the pc at the office that is very old and dont support 11. Shouls iuse thie method and install 11 now? or change cpu ram and motherboard when the support ends?

MINE MONSTER PC IS
RYZEN 7 1700
PRIME X370 PRO
16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15
RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL
MP 600 2TB WRITE:4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S
DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS

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Origineel geplaatst door SHREDDER:

I talk about it today with my pc technicain when he coem to my house to bring the laptop of my mother that we had gave thim to him to fix it aftetr is monitor started dying. He said that none of his clients has upg raded to 11 yet and he told me to keep 10 until they stop supporting them.
What should ido? Keep 10 until the support end and then change cpu ram and motherboared and upgrade to 11:?

Or use Rufushttps://www.minitool.com/news/rufus-download-windows-11-10.html and install 11 now before i change cpu ram and motherboard?
I know only two people who have installed 11 until now:

One of my friends who have upgraded his pc in 2022(he upgraded evrything) and then got the notification from Windows update to upgrade to 11, and one of my colleagues at the office that i work where he used Rufus to install windows 11 on the pc at the office that is very old and dont support 11. Shouls iuse thie method and install 11 now? or change cpu ram and motherboard when the support ends?

MINE MONSTER PC IS
RYZEN 7 1700
PRIME X370 PRO
16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15
RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL
MP 600 2TB WRITE:4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S
DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS

Nice to see you around again!

You can drop a 5800X3D or better yet the upcoming 5700X3D and it really would be a bit of a monster (at least compared to the 1700X which is considered slower now). If you're using stock cooling on the 1700X you might need to address that as it wouldn't be good enough for either of those two CPUs. If you want to go cheaper, the 5700X is a fine option. While it's a bit behind the X3Ds, it's a better raw value and it's still substantially faster than what you have now.

I went from a 3700X to a 5800X3D and that alone was a massive increase (disclaimer; the biggest gains were seen in stuff that already CPU demanding). You have a good enough GPU to make it worth it though.

The motherboard is still fine and you have decently fast 3,200 MHz RAM which will just about match the sweet spot of the Infinity Fabric speed for the later AM4 CPUs. You're perfectly set for it.

Windows 10 or 11 is preference right now, but moving towards 11 and that will continue now. You would need a new CPU to officially be supported by Windows 11 though since I think the first generation Ryzen isn't supported (need 2000 series or newer), but I'd kind of recommend a new CPU anyway even that can be bypassed with Rufus as you know

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Origineel geplaatst door Illusion of Progress:

Origineel geplaatst door SHREDDER:

I talk about it today with my pc technicain when he coem to my house to bring the laptop of my mother that we had gave thim to him to fix it aftetr is monitor started dying. He said that none of his clients has upg raded to 11 yet and he told me to keep 10 until they stop supporting them.
What should ido? Keep 10 until the support end and then change cpu ram and motherboared and upgrade to 11:?

Or use Rufushttps://www.minitool.com/news/rufus-download-windows-11-10.html and install 11 now before i change cpu ram and motherboard?
I know only two people who have installed 11 until now:

One of my friends who have upgraded his pc in 2022(he upgraded evrything) and then got the notification from Windows update to upgrade to 11, and one of my colleagues at the office that i work where he used Rufus to install windows 11 on the pc at the office that is very old and dont support 11. Shouls iuse thie method and install 11 now? or change cpu ram and motherboard when the support ends?

MINE MONSTER PC IS
RYZEN 7 1700
PRIME X370 PRO
16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15
RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL
MP 600 2TB WRITE:4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S
DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 60 HZ IPS

Nice to see you around again!

You can drop a 5800X3D or better yet the upcoming 5700X3D and it really would be a bit of a monster (at least compared to the 1700X which is considered slower now). If you're using stock cooling on the 1700X you might need to address that as it wouldn't be good enough for either of those two CPUs. If you want to go cheaper, the 5700X is a fine option. While it's a bit behind the X3Ds, it's a better raw value and it's still substantially faster than what you have now.

I went from a 3700X to a 5800X3D and that alone was a massive increase (disclaimer; the biggest gains were seen in stuff that already CPU demanding). You have a good enough GPU to make it worth it though.

The motherboard is still fine and you have decently fast 3,200 MHz RAM which will just about match the sweet spot of the Infinity Fabric speed for the later AM4 CPUs. You're perfectly set for it.

Windows 10 or 11 is preference right now, but moving towards 11 and that will continue now. You would need a new CPU to officially be supported by Windows 11 though since I think the first generation Ryzen isn't supported (need 2000 series or newer), but I'd kind of recommend a new CPU anyway even that can be bypassed with Rufus as you know

i CHANGE cpu ram and motherboared at the same time. What i asked if it is better to keep windows 10 until the support ends and then change cpu ram and motherboard and upgrade to 11 or install 11 now with Rufus .

[r.linder]

Or just go with linux and never have to deal with microsoft's BS again

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Origineel geplaatst door r.linder:

Or just go with linux and never have to deal with microsoft's BS again

Or how about don't derail?

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Origineel geplaatst door SHREDDER:

i CHANGE cpu ram and motherboared at the same time. What i asked if it is better to keep windows 10 until the support ends and then change cpu ram and motherboard and upgrade to 11 or install 11 now with Rufus .

Your call.

AM4 was one of the best sockets because it offered so much performance improvement, and you're sitting there on the very first generation of it, meaning you have the entire AM4 portfolio ahead of you. Seemed like it might be a consideration in my eyes.

Windows 10 or Windows 11 is preference for now, as I said. I'd personally stick to not bypassing the TPM since you never know when it could cause its own issues (see Sky Lake owners being locked out of Windows Update on Windows 7 for a sort-of-analogous example), but that's just my personal opinion on it. That would mean staying with Windows 10, but a CPU change could alleviate that (which is why I mentioned it).

[xSOSxHawkens]

Origineel geplaatst door Ralf:

Some people claim the issues is still there, just like the USB dropout that was supposed to be fixed years ago.

Just because some people claim it literally means nothing. They could have bad setups. They could have failed to update, or failed to do it right. They could have something entirely unrelated causing it. They should have sent in an RMA and if they havent its on them.

Both those issues were addressed quite litterally years ago. They are non-issues. Period. Its that simple.

If you want to worry about issues just because people say the *can* *possibly* *maybe* happen to them, or they claim they do, you need to not use tech. That simple.

Case in point - HP right now in court has a Sec Researcher arguing that its possible for Maleware to be infected onto a print cartridge, then infect your printer, then infect your network, then infect your computer with maleware, and thats why HP has to brick printers using third party ink. There is *always* the one person who points out that it can, has, or could happen.

Dont let them hold you back from an otherwise useful product. Least of all when its been patched.

But to the OP question - Either for now, Windows 11 or linux once 2025 hits.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

TBH I would just use Windows 11 because it will receive support for much longer.
Windows 10 will lose support within the next 2 years, meaning that you'll end up upgrading anyway.

[plat]

Windows 10 is still OK in my opinion. It's like a broken-in pair of jeans or something. After the annoyance of the KB5034441 and the partition saga recently, I almost ditched it though. Doesn't take much anymore.

I came across an interesting de-bloat technique intended for Windows 11 only on TechPowerUp's Windows 11 discussion thread. It relies on a language setting in the clean installation panel: "English World." So I'm not sure one can change the language to another afterward or what that involves Anybody willing to try it on the next clean-install? If done, any issues that came up afterward?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DNJk_KLzcJo
But of course Micro wants to do away with it
https://www.techradar.com/computing/windows/secret-trick-installs-windows-11-without-the-bloatware-but-microsoft-is-looking-to-fix-it

Edit: might be a consideration for those who do not want to install a third party script or software to accomplish someth. similar.

Edited to fix an inadvertent use of a link and add/change some text.

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I talked today with that colleague of mine in the office who installed windows 11 on his pc at the office about how he did it. He told me that now he has also installed 11 on the other pcs that are on the same room and also on his paren's pc's that are from 2012.
He told me that he used another method to install 11:
He downloaded a registry file called Install not supported upgrades and then he copied it to the registry. Then he downloaded windows 11 from microsoft site and copy it to the a usb. Then he installed windows 11 on these pcs. He told me to do the same and not wait until 10 support ends and then change cpu ram and motherboared. He said '''why spent money on cpu ram and motherboard when you can install 11 by using this method and save soem money''? And to kee my cpu ram and motherboared until they get destroyed and change them then.

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Origineel geplaatst door SHREDDER:

I talked today with that colleague of mine in the office who installed windows 11 on his pc at the office about how he did it. He told me that now he has also installed 11 on the other pcs that are on the same room and also on his paren's pc's that are from 2012.
He told me that he used another method to install 11:
He downloaded a registry file called Install not supported upgrades and then he copied it to the registry. Then he downloaded windows 11 from microsoft site and copy it to the a usb. Then he installed windows 11 on these pcs. He told me to do the same and not wait until 10 support ends and then change cpu ram and motherboared. He said '''why spent money on cpu ram and motherboard when you can install 11 by using this method and save soem money''? And to kee my cpu ram and motherboared until they get destroyed and change them then.

If your sole priority is about getting Windows 11 rather than doing anything on the hardware side, you can just download the installation media and set it up with Rufus to get around the TPM/generation requirements. It will install and it will work, but you'll be doing it "unofficially" so you'll have to be okay with assuming any risks or minor headaches that could come with down the road.

You don't need a motherboard or RAM change either way. If you wanted either more performance or official Windows 11 support, you can upgrade to a much faster CPU with that same motherboard and RAM. I'd even argue that's the smarter thing to do versus replacing it all because you're literally sitting on the Golden grail here because of your position. You're on the very beginning of AM4 (and with surprisingly fast RAM for that point which is still good now for the later AM4 generations) and that is probably going to be the most legendary socket that ever existed insofar as the performance range it offered from start to end. The amount of gain you can get with just the CPU change would be unreal. With 5700X, 5700X3D, or 5800X3D, you probably wouldn't have to look at things again until AM6/whatever Intel has by then.

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Origineel geplaatst door Illusion of Progress:

Origineel geplaatst door SHREDDER:

I talked today with that colleague of mine in the office who installed windows 11 on his pc at the office about how he did it. He told me that now he has also installed 11 on the other pcs that are on the same room and also on his paren's pc's that are from 2012.
He told me that he used another method to install 11:
He downloaded a registry file called Install not supported upgrades and then he copied it to the registry. Then he downloaded windows 11 from microsoft site and copy it to the a usb. Then he installed windows 11 on these pcs. He told me to do the same and not wait until 10 support ends and then change cpu ram and motherboared. He said '''why spent money on cpu ram and motherboard when you can install 11 by using this method and save soem money''? And to kee my cpu ram and motherboared until they get destroyed and change them then.

If your sole priority is about getting Windows 11 rather than doing anything on the hardware side, you can just download the installation media and set it up with Rufus to get around the TPM/generation requirements. It will install and it will work, but you'll be doing it "unofficially" so you'll have to be okay with assuming any risks or minor headaches that could come with down the road.

You don't need a motherboard or RAM change either way. If you wanted either more performance or official Windows 11 support, you can upgrade to a much faster CPU with that same motherboard and RAM. I'd even argue that's the smarter thing to do versus replacing it all because you're literally sitting on the Golden grail here because of your position. You're on the very beginning of AM4 (and with surprisingly fast RAM for that point which is still good now for the later AM4 generations) and that is probably going to be the most legendary socket that ever existed insofar as the performance range it offered from start to end. The amount of gain you can get with just the CPU change would be unreal. With 5700X, 5700X3D, or 5800X3D, you probably wouldn't have to look at things again until AM6/whatever Intel has by then.

Ryzen 5000 is 3+ years old now and ryzen 9000 will release in April. I will get ryzen 9000 or faster. but as i said he told me that he diddnt use Rufus he just downloaded that registry file and put it on the registry and then he downloaded windows 11 and installed it. Which of the two ways is better? Rufus or this registry file?

[r.linder]

Registry editing is just for circumventing licensing so you don’t lose out on customization, but it’s probably not something he should be publicizing at all if he’s profiting off of his work involving that since it’s not entirely legal, and abuse of the registry in such a manner will eventually result in that method being taken away

Because you have outdated hardware, you have to use Rufus regardless to bypass it, but truth be told your hardware is better suited for Linux, not Windows, AMD systems running optimized Linux distros are outperforming Windows.

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I WILL use one of the two methods if the cpu or motherboard dont die before the supprot ends(in that casei will get ryzen 9000 with x700 motherboard and 32 gb ddr5 8000 mhz ram).