Win10 or Win11(without TPM)?

[Ralf]

Win10 keeps bugging me to upgrade even though I have TPM set to Discrete(no module installed), since AMD seems to have stuttering issues with TPM enabled.

I got a new SSD and wanted to do a fresh Windows install and was wondering installing Win11 without TPM(using rufus) would work? Would Win11 updates re-enable TPM requirement in the OS?

[PopinFRESH]

Origineel geplaatst door Crashed:

Origineel geplaatst door PopinFRESH:

Which BIOS version are you currently on? (should be shown on the main page)

It should be in the section that Supafly noted under Trusted Computing.

Also here is a link to a compatible SPI TPM2.0 14-1 Nuvoton module for Asus boards that use that pin-out.

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-MOTHERBOARDS-Module-System-Components/dp/B08836SG1X/

Regardless, I'd still strongly recommend rather than trying to disable it to either use the above hardware module or the fTPM and normally installing Windows 11 with SecureBoot.

If you aren't already on this BIOS version then I'd also recommend updating to that BIOS/UEFI firmware version first; then re-configure your UEFI settings as needed and clean install your Windows 11.

PRIME X670E-PRO WIFI BIOS 1813
Version 1813
11.21 MB
2023/11/01

Secure Boot is actually supported without TPM; I have a 2013 laptop with Secure Boot but no TPM; OEMs were only required to support TPM since around 2016 but Secure Boot was required since 2012.

That said, if you use BitLocker, toggling either TPM or Secure Boot will disrupt the key and require entering of the Recovery Key to access the drive's data.

I understand; I wasn't suggesting that a TPM is required for Secure Boot. I was suggesting the OP use Secure Boot with either a TPM or the fTPM to store the keys as is requisite for a "non-work-around" Windows 11 install.

Also yeah I'd also recommend enabling FDE via Bitlocker as well.

[Ralf]

Origineel geplaatst door PopinFRESH:

Origineel geplaatst door Ralf:

Asus Prime X670E-Pro Wifi
There are only two options: https://i.imgur.com/GeCvAPN.jpg

Which BIOS version are you currently on? (should be shown on the main page)

It should be in the section that Supafly noted under Trusted Computing.

If you aren't already on this BIOS version then I'd also recommend updating to that BIOS/UEFI firmware version first; then re-configure your UEFI settings as needed and clean install your Windows 11.

PRIME X670E-PRO WIFI BIOS 1813
Version 1813
11.21 MB
2023/11/01

Thanks, I found it. I'm on Bios Version 1809 since the newer ones seem to break the M2_2 slot and Combo AM5 PI 1.1.0.1 which fixes it isn't out yet.

I installed Win11, but I couldn't proceed without Internet or MS account, this isn't that of a big issue for me.

But even though it asked for an username and I made it same as on Win10, somehow it got changed to the first 5 letters of my e-mail which in turn broke all standalone portable games/programs, can't even pin 'This PC' on the task bar, pain in the ass. Back to Win10 until Win12 becomes good.

[plat]

I've found Windows 11 to be unusually annoying with these extra steps like making it a requirement for a Micro acct. I could not get past that either so I just went to a Local acct. in the Settings app.

Ended up going back to 10 as my daily about 6 months after I installed 11. I think you made the decision a LOT of people made. Nothing to be ashamed of, that's for sure.

Next time you're stuck on the desktop like that, just hold the shift key down and then click "Restart" from the Power menu--this should take you right to the Recovery environment where you can run cmd and other stuff.

Don't know if Windows 12 will make these hardware requirements (cpu/tpm) absolutely non-bypassable either. It's still a vague kind of thing. I sure don't expect it to be the redemption of Windows 11 either.

[Supafly]

Origineel geplaatst door Ralf:

Back to Win10 until Win12 becomes good.

Did that my first day using 11 and that's when I disabled TPM via Bios so I don't see see my system can run 11.

[River]

I disable TPM in Windows 11 because I hate how it creates a extra partition on my main drive.

Looks ugly and annoying.

[Crashed]

Origineel geplaatst door gamer:

I disable TPM in Windows 11 because I hate how it creates a extra partition on my main drive.

Looks ugly and annoying.

It doesn't do anything like that. You must be thinking of the Recovery partition.

[plat]

Aha, possibly no "Windows 12." I mean, I dunno. Here's an article on it:

https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/windows-12-ai-new-ui-features-and-everything-else-we-know-so-far

This supersedes a lot of prev. mentions of "Windows 12" because it's more recently published. It says Micro doesn't want to "fragment" the existing user bases of 10 and 11. Take from this what you will, if anything. I was looking for some info on any changes in hardware requirements.

[MonkehMaster]

you can bypass microsoft account by disabling the internet connection before running the installation and choosing i have no connection in the options when they show up, or during and using command prompt to skip network and account options, if you already have one (microsoft account) then just add it in after the installation is done.

if you are moving to win 11, you mine as well just bypass all the hardware requirements, in the end you met all of them anyway and you can enable it afterwards if thats what someone wanted to do, but tpm/bitlocker/ect... seems to be a big issue along a whole line of other issues, i dont see a need for it imo, but to each their own.

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Origineel geplaatst door MonkehMaster:

you can bypass microsoft account by disabling the internet connection before running the installation and choosing i have no connection in the options when they show up, or during and using command prompt to skip network and account options, if you already have one (microsoft account) then just add it in after the installation is done.

if you are moving to win 11, you mine as well just bypass all the hardware requirements, in the end you met all of them anyway and you can enable it afterwards if thats what someone wanted to do, but tpm/bitlocker/ect... seems to be a big issue along a whole line of other issues, i dont see a need for it imo, but to each their own.

Windows 11 also requires you to press Shift+F10 then enter oobe\bypassnro to disable the network requirement.

[Ralf]

Origineel geplaatst door MonkehMaster:

you can bypass microsoft account by disabling the internet connection before running the installation and choosing i have no connection in the options when they show up

Ethernet cable was pulled out there's no Wifi here either, where can I find the option that says i have no connection? This is what I see: https://i.imgur.com/EKiTZig.png

[MonkehMaster]

Origineel geplaatst door Ralf:

Origineel geplaatst door MonkehMaster:

you can bypass microsoft account by disabling the internet connection before running the installation and choosing i have no connection in the options when they show up

Ethernet cable was pulled out there's no Wifi here either, where can I find the option that says no internet? This is what I see: https://i.imgur.com/EKiTZig.png

just hit next, or is it unclickable?

if its not clickable then do whats mentioned below (ignore OS, its the same for all)

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Origineel geplaatst door MonkehMaster:

you can bypass microsoft account by disabling the internet connection before running the installation and choosing i have no connection in the options when they show up, or during and using command prompt to skip network and account options, if you already have one (microsoft account) then just add it in after the installation is done.

if you are moving to win 11, you mine as well just bypass all the hardware requirements, in the end you met all of them anyway and you can enable it afterwards if thats what someone wanted to do, but tpm/bitlocker/ect... seems to be a big issue along a whole line of other issues, i dont see a need for it imo, but to each their own.

Windows 11 also requires you to press Shift+F10 then enter oobe\bypassnro to disable the network requirement.

[MonkehMaster]

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Origineel geplaatst door MonkehMaster:

you can bypass microsoft account by disabling the internet connection before running the installation and choosing i have no connection in the options when they show up, or during and using command prompt to skip network and account options, if you already have one (microsoft account) then just add it in after the installation is done.

if you are moving to win 11, you mine as well just bypass all the hardware requirements, in the end you met all of them anyway and you can enable it afterwards if thats what someone wanted to do, but tpm/bitlocker/ect... seems to be a big issue along a whole line of other issues, i dont see a need for it imo, but to each their own.

Windows 11 also requires you to press Shift+F10 then enter oobe\bypassnro to disable the network requirement.

fair to mention, i had to use that on my main pc when moving from 7 through 10 and into 11 (keeping everything), despite no connection.

but on my old laptops with a fresh win 11 pro install and no network connection, i didnt have to use that, it gave me the option for "no internet" and simply skipped it and finished up installing.

or both of those could have been the other way around, dont remember off hand, but in one case i had to use it and in the other i didnt, could be the main pc that skipped through without command prompt when migrating, as it had a local account already, not sure.

also i did mention using the command prompt, in my last comment :)

[Ralf]

Origineel geplaatst door MonkehMaster:

Origineel geplaatst door Ralf:

Ethernet cable was pulled out there's no Wifi here either, where can I find the option that says no internet? This is what I see: https://i.imgur.com/EKiTZig.png

just hit next, or is it unclickable?

if its not clickable then do whats mentioned below (ignore OS, its the same for all)

Origineel geplaatst door Crashed:

Windows 11 also requires you to press Shift+F10 then enter oobe\bypassnro to disable the network requirement.

Next is unclickable, it should be blue but it's greyed out. Honestly I don't feel like reinstalling Win11 again to see if TPM stutter is still there or not when Microsoft can't even get basic things right like username.

[Pocahawtness]

I really don't understand why there is still this fear of Win 11. There is nothing wrong with it. There hasn't been anything wrong with it for ages now. I mean, at this rate, people will still be thinking about it when Win 12 is available.

[FALLN]

What did you end up doing? I have a Lenovo laptop that hasn't fixed the stuttering issue and was thinking of installing Windows 11 without TPM? Did it work?