Having second thoughts but not sure - I know this is a gaming forum. Got a Intel i9 14900k I am going to upgrade to

[River]

Mainly did it because I sometimes run VMs and a lot of other programs in the background while gaming. I know I know recommended not to. Like to be able to run everything I need without having to continue closing it then reopening it when I am done gaming. Yes I know VM a lot require a lot of RAM so yes I have 32 GB. I know more the better.

Coming from a i7 12700k. I know it may seem like hardly a upgrade but I feel like it could be a decent upgrade. Do not know anyone who has done it personally.

Mainly looking for higher 1% minimum fps in cpu limited games. Do not care about max fps.


I do not have it yet otherwise I would not be writing this.

[River]

引用自 Omega：

引用自 gamer：

How many cores does it have or whatever it is called sorry compared to a i9 14900k ?

I know it is better but still it has disadvantages in my opinion.

The 7950X3D has 16 cores 32 threads, real full proper cores, but its main defining feature is the massive amount of CPU cache. It has 128MB of L3 cache.

The 14900K has 8 proper cores, 16 energy efficient small cores, together they provide 32 threads, And just 36MB of L3.

The cache makes a huge difference because the CPU will have to fetch stuff from system memory a lot less.


Disadvantages such as?

I can't think of any outside of Intel-specific technologies which only work on Intel, but this will only be an issue for people with very specific system requirements.

Stability with ram

[Omega]

引用自 gamer：

引用自 Omega：

WIth "A lot of sites" you mean CPU UserBenchmark?

CPU UserBenchmark is one of the most biased ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the world of benchmarking and hardware comparison. There is a reason it is banned in most tech communities. The site straight up lies, cherrypicks data and twists the numbers to make Intel always look superiour.

Read any of their non-Intel CPU review, it will quickly spiral down in to insults and fanboyism.

I agree.

CUB:

14600K is faster/about the same as the 7950X3D.

Comparing a 6 core to a 16 core CPU..

[Omega]

引用自 gamer：

引用自 Omega：

The 7950X3D has 16 cores 32 threads, real full proper cores, but its main defining feature is the massive amount of CPU cache. It has 128MB of L3 cache.

The 14900K has 8 proper cores, 16 energy efficient small cores, together they provide 32 threads, And just 36MB of L3.

The cache makes a huge difference because the CPU will have to fetch stuff from system memory a lot less.


Disadvantages such as?

I can't think of any outside of Intel-specific technologies which only work on Intel, but this will only be an issue for people with very specific system requirements.

Stability with ram

RAM stability is fine.

And the DDR5 boot time issues are present on both Intel and AMD.

[River]

引用自 Omega：

引用自 gamer：

Stability with ram

RAM stability is fine.

And the DDR5 boot time issues are present on both Intel and AMD.

Ok.

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引用自 Omega：

引用自 Dr. Johnny Fever：

16 cores 32 threads. Base clock is 4.2ghz boost is 5.7ghz. A lot of sites is saying my cpu is the best on the market for gaming. But that intel 14900k is 10% better. Reason i'm asking is i never used intels in my life and only used amd since the early 90's.

WIth "A lot of sites" you mean CPU UserBenchmark?

CPU UserBenchmark is one of the most biased ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the world of benchmarking and hardware comparison. There is a reason it is banned in most tech communities. The site straight up lies, cherrypicks data and twists the numbers to make Intel always look superiour.

Read any of their non-Intel CPU review, it will quickly spiral down in to insults and fanboyism.

I see this now and i have been using that site for years. The alot of sites was for my cpu only that said its the best in gaming. The 10% was from user bench mark. No other site said the 10% but benchmark.

"Also watch out for AMD’s army of Neanderthal social media accounts on reddit, forums and youtube, they will be singing their own praises as usual. AMD continue to develop “Advanced Marketing” relationships with select youtubers with the obvious aim of compensating for second tier products with first tier marketing. PC gamers considering a 7000X3D CPU need to work on their critical thinking skills: Influencers are paid handsomely to promote overpriced niche products (X3D, EPYC, Threadripper etc.)." from user benchmark

[r.linder]

引用自 Dr. Johnny Fever：

引用自 Omega：

WIth "A lot of sites" you mean CPU UserBenchmark?

CPU UserBenchmark is one of the most biased ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the world of benchmarking and hardware comparison. There is a reason it is banned in most tech communities. The site straight up lies, cherrypicks data and twists the numbers to make Intel always look superiour.

Read any of their non-Intel CPU review, it will quickly spiral down in to insults and fanboyism.

I see this now and i have been using that site for years. The alot of sites was for my cpu only that said its the best in gaming. The 10% was from user bench mark.

"Also watch out for AMD’s army of Neanderthal social media accounts on reddit, forums and youtube, they will be singing their own praises as usual. AMD continue to develop “Advanced Marketing” relationships with select youtubers with the obvious aim of compensating for second tier products with first tier marketing. PC gamers considering a 7000X3D CPU need to work people on their critical thinking skills: Influencers are paid handsomely to promote overpriced niche products (X3D, EPYC, Threadripper etc.)." from user benchmark

Intel fanboys are a real insane breed of users these days, they have to be to rabidly defend Intel when AMD beats the crap out of them in almost every metric now, and that's why they get so upset when people say anything true about Intel that's negative.

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引用自 尺．し工几ᗪヨ尺：

引用自 Dr. Johnny Fever：

I see this now and i have been using that site for years. The alot of sites was for my cpu only that said its the best in gaming. The 10% was from user bench mark.

"Also watch out for AMD’s army of Neanderthal social media accounts on reddit, forums and youtube, they will be singing their own praises as usual. AMD continue to develop “Advanced Marketing” relationships with select youtubers with the obvious aim of compensating for second tier products with first tier marketing. PC gamers considering a 7000X3D CPU need to work people on their critical thinking skills: Influencers are paid handsomely to promote overpriced niche products (X3D, EPYC, Threadripper etc.)." from user benchmark

Intel fanboys are a real insane breed of users these days, they have to be to rabidly defend Intel when AMD beats the crap out of them in almost every metric now, and that's why they get so upset when people say anything true about Intel that's negative.

Yea i might just keep what i bought 8 months ago. I was just thinking it's time to upgrade again. Since i can get the parts at whole seller prices.

[River]

引用自 Dr. Johnny Fever：

引用自 尺．し工几ᗪヨ尺：

Intel fanboys are a real insane breed of users these days, they have to be to rabidly defend Intel when AMD beats the crap out of them in almost every metric now, and that's why they get so upset when people say anything true about Intel that's negative.

Yea i might just keep what i bought 8 months ago. I was just thinking it's time to upgrade again. Since i can get the parts at whole seller prices.

I would of maybe with AMD because I honestly really don't care which one as long as it is fast.

Though my system mobo only supports Intel CPUs. I know that is normal plus my previous processor was Intel obviously too.

Plus my ram is only DDR4.

I think for AMD you need DDR5 :(


Wish there was a way compare them side by side easily.

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引用自 gamer：

引用自 Dr. Johnny Fever：

Yea i might just keep what i bought 8 months ago. I was just thinking it's time to upgrade again. Since i can get the parts at whole seller prices.

I would of maybe with AMD because I honestly really don't care which one as long as it is fast.

Though my system mobo only supports Intel CPUs. I know that is normal plus my previous processor was Intel obviously too.

Plus my ram is only DDR4.

I think for AMD you need DDR5 :(


Wish there was a way compare them side by side easily.

Well amd also made cpus with ddr4 ram support like the ryzen 9 3900x which is 12 cores and 24 threads on the am4 cpu socket which i had but was really outdated and old. But the one i just built 8 moths ago is an am5 cpu socket and it uses ddr5 ram.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

引用自 尺．し工几ᗪヨ尺：

引用自 Dr. Johnny Fever：

I see this now and i have been using that site for years. The alot of sites was for my cpu only that said its the best in gaming. The 10% was from user bench mark.

"Also watch out for AMD’s army of Neanderthal social media accounts on reddit, forums and youtube, they will be singing their own praises as usual. AMD continue to develop “Advanced Marketing” relationships with select youtubers with the obvious aim of compensating for second tier products with first tier marketing. PC gamers considering a 7000X3D CPU need to work people on their critical thinking skills: Influencers are paid handsomely to promote overpriced niche products (X3D, EPYC, Threadripper etc.)." from user benchmark

Intel fanboys are a real insane breed of users these days, they have to be to rabidly defend Intel when AMD beats the crap out of them in almost every metric now, and that's why they get so upset when people say anything true about Intel that's negative.

The Ryzen stuff doesn't beat the crap out of Intel's stuff. However they are on-par with performance and at much lower power requirements.

AM4 uses DDR4
AM5 uses DDR5


If you already have a 12th Gen i7, there really is not a single consumer CPU on the market suited for Gaming that will be worth upgrading to just yet.

Wait for Ryzen 8xxx series, coming in 2024.

Whatever you switch to, you will have to go buy all new DDR5 because only thing that would still be using DDR4 is Ryzen AM4, which would be a side-step to Intel 12th Gen.

An upgrade would be Intel 15th Gen or Ryzen 8xxx series on AM5; both would require new Motherboard + DDR5 RAM

One major reason to wait and upgrade also would be to get a PCIE 5.0 capable Motherboard, not really for GPUs, but for SSDs. Because if you go with a premium Motherboard that supports PCIE 5.0 NVME SSD, then it will support multiple PCIE 4.0 NVME SSDs and that's what you generally want to use for OS + Games drives.

Thankfully, DirectStorage no longer requires you put the games on OS Drive. It can use that feature across multiple SSDs. Like a secondary NVME SSD w/ your games on it.

[River]

引用自 Bad 💀 Motha：

引用自 尺．し工几ᗪヨ尺：

Intel fanboys are a real insane breed of users these days, they have to be to rabidly defend Intel when AMD beats the crap out of them in almost every metric now, and that's why they get so upset when people say anything true about Intel that's negative.

The Ryzen stuff doesn't beat the crap out of Intel's stuff. However they are on-par with performance and at much lower power requirements.

AM4 uses DDR4
AM5 uses DDR5


If you already have a 12th Gen i7, there really is not a single consumer CPU on the market suited for Gaming that will be worth upgrading to just yet.

Wait for Ryzen 8xxx series, coming in 2024.

Whatever you switch to, you will have to go buy all new DDR5 because only thing that would still be using DDR4 is Ryzen AM4, which would be a side-step to Intel 12th Gen.

An upgrade would be Intel 15th Gen or Ryzen 8xxx series on AM5; both would require new Motherboard + DDR5 RAM

One major reason to wait and upgrade also would be to get a PCIE 5.0 capable Motherboard, not really for GPUs, but for SSDs. Because if you go with a premium Motherboard that supports PCIE 5.0 NVME SSD, then it will support multiple PCIE 4.0 NVME SSDs and that's what you generally want to use for OS + Games drives.

Thankfully, DirectStorage no longer requires you put the games on OS Drive. It can use that feature across multiple SSDs. Like a secondary NVME SSD w/ your games on it.

Good info to know!

Thanks.

[street954]

gamer, i just upgraded to 14900k from a 5800x3d because it was getting weird fps dips and let me tell you man this thing is so powerful i got it overclocked to 6ghz all core on the powercores and 4.6ghz on all ecores with single core at 6.2ghz on every pcore!!!!!! its running like a damn beast every program open with stream the game video editing twitch and all kinds of internet tabs and other apps and nothing phases it or slows it down its actually insane

[River]

引用自 street954：

gamer, i just upgraded to 14900k from a 5800x3d because it was getting weird fps dips and let me tell you man this thing is so powerful i got it overclocked to 6ghz all core on the powercores and 4.6ghz on all ecores with single core at 6.2ghz on every pcore!!!!!! its running like a damn beast every program open with stream the game video editing twitch and all kinds of internet tabs and other apps and nothing phases it or slows it down its actually insane

Thank you. Though still.

I finally did it but right now but I think, if I had a hunch, my temps may be a little too high. Though I do have a AIO so it is weird.

My PSU is definitely enough at 1200 watts

Going to have to research some more my problem. It only seems to happen in a certain games where my whole pc will just restart totally.

Never had this problem before so it is weird.

[River]

How do I test out to determine what the issue is ? What program stresses the system a healthy amount but not too much?

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

I would be using 64GB of RAM...